LeroysBoots 7:14 Tue Mar 21
Met Police - "Boys Club*
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Quite a damning insight
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-65015479
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
2:22 Fri Mar 24
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360
No, mate. You lied. You used an actual specific example, FTSE 100 company CEOs, and then pretended there was only one woman among them.
Why wouldn't you use the actual number? Or the more than 40% of directors. Because if you did, you wouldn't have an argument.
Your example is entirely dishonest. As you always do. You are so self-righteous and convinced of your own position, that you feel that considerations of honesty are beneath you and that gilding the lily is absolutely fine.
I've pointed this out to you many times before. And you always deny it, despite the fact that EVERY SINGLE READER can see you are doing it. And you always continue doing it, because you are completely shameless.
If you have an opinion and want to argue it, fine. But do it within a framework of truth. Otherwise people will just write you off as a lying cunt.
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threesixty
3:45 Fri Mar 24
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Surface
Look up the word “if” and tell us what it means?
Ffs
You crazy man.
Btw, I used the specific EXAMPLE of “one woman” to counter your assertion that the existence of one person that is different to anyone else in any particular group means there is no discrimination. That is bullshit. There are countless examples of say, racism in football still existing even though there are a few black players playing etc
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
12:02 Fri Mar 24
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And not only did you lie about it, you doubled down on it.
'So if there is one woman CEO in FTSE 100 that is not evidence that the top 100 companies in the country are not institutionally sexist towards women? Discrimination is only valid if it’s a binary concept. Evidence of one person in any field immediately means there is no discrimination of any kind going on. '
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
11:58 Thu Mar 23
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How can it be an example when you use a very specific group (FTSE 100 CEOs) and then blatantly lie about the number of women? And then carefully avoid mentioning that more than 40% of all directors are women.
You do this all the time. You just can't stop lying.
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threesixty
11:50 Thu Mar 23
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Surface
The female CEO thing was what’s called an “example” to illustrate a point.
Do I have to put a disclaimer on these things so you don’t take it literally?
like seriously…?
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
11:44 Thu Mar 23
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360
They are all true mate. How many female CEOs was it?
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threesixty
11:36 Thu Mar 23
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Surface
If I agreed I would have told you. But you knew that lol
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
11:06 Thu Mar 23
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360
We'll have to disagree on 'institutional'. It's good that you've accepted the other stuff I accused you of.
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threesixty
11:02 Thu Mar 23
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Surface
Private meanings of words … yet I pasted a quotation that explains the meaning..
Hahahahha. You’re hilarious.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
9:50 Thu Mar 23
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360
It's not me that's using false analogies, straw man arguments, private meanings of words, exaggeration to the point of blatant falsehood or obfuscation, all in the apparent belief that nobody can see you doing it.
Seek help.
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threesixty
9:29 Thu Mar 23
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Surface
You don’t get it. It’s obvious. Your description of an institution is not the same as the concept in institutional racism.
You seem to really want things to bend to your reality. Rather than just understand what is being said.
Not sure anyone can help you here
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Fo the Communist
8:42 Thu Mar 23
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Surf.
Yes I could agree with that. Well expressed.
That said, I can also understand how people could use the term institutional failure if those within an institution had allowed it's organisational structures to become so poor, bad behaviour flourished to a point the whole institution was tainted or decayed.
I guess it comes down to the fact that in today's febrile conversations, no one stops to ask 'well what do you mean by institutional racism?'
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
8:23 Thu Mar 23
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FO
Yes, of course. And that's the responsibility of any of the individual Home Secretaries, Mayors, Commissioners, Superintendents, Inspectors and Sergeants that tolerated it.
It has to be that way or else you get what you have now., the worst of both worlds. Senior officers saying, 'It wasn't me, Guv' and other officers attempting to obtain advantage by claiming to have been subject to racism without having to specify by whom that racism was perpetrated.
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Fo the Communist
8:10 Thu Mar 23
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Surf. See your point, though it is pedantic as i see it.
So would you agree it would be possible to describe, for example and in theory, the Met Police as an institution in which poor behaviour flourished?
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Fo the Communist
8:03 Thu Mar 23
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Eerie.
Yes - that sort of thing. Particularly so if it had failed to stop repeated noncing (and worse). I have no bind devotion to the BBC, by the way.
Bruno.
In reality that's probably impossible whether its the military or the Royal Horticultural Society and anything else in between. But what an institution can do is implement and uphold structures that actively reduce the risk of ne'er-do-wells ne'er-doing-welling. If, over many years and many warnings, it has failed to do so, then that's surely a failing of that institution.
Oddly I seem to have both sides disagreeing. Quite an achievement that.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
7:56 Thu Mar 23
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Fo the Communist 7:44 Thu Mar 23
'If an institution has known about an issue but failed to remedy it, isn't that an institutional failing?'
'Institutions' can't know about anything. An institution doesn't have a brain. Individuals within an institution may know many things and should be held accountable for what they do or don't do about them.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
7:52 Thu Mar 23
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These were your precise words. I even quoted them and put them in inverted commas and everything.
'But something has happened to either deter men from seeking the role or stopping primary schools from hiring them. But it’s not necessarily deliberate.'
It was you that first mentioned that primary schools are not hiring men, not me.
So it's individual sexism, not 'institutional' anything.
As for the first part of your post, there are societal reasons why more men aren't applying for the jobs, but that's got fuck all to do with 'institutional' anything. One of the reasons men aren't applying for the jobs is that they know individual sexists will prevent them from getting them.
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bruuuno
7:52 Thu Mar 23
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Fo the Communist 7:44 Thu Mar 23
How can any institution ever remedy an individuals free will?
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Eerie Descent
7:50 Thu Mar 23
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A bit like the BBC with Jimmy Saville, Fo?
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threesixty
7:47 Thu Mar 23
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Fo the communist
Possibly and probably yeah. But it’s also hard to fix because you’ve got to do some real digging and thinking in a clever way to find the “leaky pipes” through the whole system.
I think it’s actually quite hard. But it’s even harder if the people at the top don’t believe it’s even happening and accept it needs to be solved. That’s probably the biggest challenge of all.
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Fo the Communist
7:44 Thu Mar 23
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If an institution has known about an issue but failed to remedy it, isn't that an institutional failing?
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