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Ged 12:51 Sun Mar 25
We're winning at home, we're winning at hooome, how shit must you be, we're winning at home.

I don't like this chant. I don't like it at all.

It started out as a fairly amusing joke after some troublesome home games and a couple of thumping away wins, but it's as negative as the football we love to moan about and it's really worn a bit thin now.

Some may argue it's just a song and it doesn't undermine anything, but if it's just a song why do we sing them to lift the team or get on opposing players backs.

Some may argue that it's just a joke, but not all jokes get funnier with repetition.

Some may argue that it's ironic humour, but where's the irony in singing this when the song reassuring the team that they are loved are so few and far between?

Some may argue it's just good natured banter, but you'd take the piss out of your best mate if he was fit and healthy, but you'd think twice about doing it if he was trying to tell you that his mum had died, he had cancer or his wife had left him.

Some may argue that your average footballer isn't that bright, but it only takes one (or a manager, or a coaching assistant, or for you to be wrong and that they might actually be brighter than you give them credit for) to realise that the song suggests the fans don't respect them that much even when they're winning because the opposition must be "even more shit than we are".

It also only takes one bright spark (but more likely all 11 of them) to realise that this is a vocal demonstration of our lack of confidence in our team, that they won't have to raise their game THAT MUCH to get us on our players' backs because our fans think they're fairly shit.

All the fuss about booing, did fans boo the player; the performance; the substitution; the misplaced pass; the wide shot; the mistimed cross; in fact any little thing a game that can be a catalyst to push people into expressing their pent up frustrations, is but nothing compared to the negative statement we make every time we go ahead at home and sing it with such gusto at a point in the game when singing bubbles, the truly risible We are West Ham's Claret and Blue Army or the scorer's name.

I know our next game is away, but our away support is generally a credit to us. Our next home game however is massive and we need to summon every ounce of positive support that we can, and that includes, not singing this bloody awful song.

Bill W 6:02 Mon Mar 26
Re: We're winning at home, we're winning at hooome, how shit must you be, we're winning at home.

Agreed. Makes me cringe

Ged 6:02 Mon Mar 26
Re: We're winning at home, we're winning at hooome, how shit must you be, we're winning at home.

OK mate, as it's you, I'll admit that last comment was a little churlish. Don't tell everyone, they'll think I'm going soft. Have to admit, your forecast for the next 6 months made me chuckle. Very, very WHO indeed...

More than happy to share beer any time.

chim chim cha boo 1:05 Mon Mar 26
Re: We're winning at home, we're winning at hooome, how shit must you be, we're winning at home.

Now come on Ged you naughty boy, you know exactly what 'get on their (the West Ham team's) backs' means, and it doesn't mean singing, other than maybe 'you don't know what you're doing' as Allardyce makes a substitution.

The opposition manager obviously means the collective groans when a very poor pass is intercepted, general shouting and anger, digging certain players out and, I think quite pertinently for the sake of this debate, silence. I don't think there's anything more off-putting to our team at home than virtual silence.

The away crowd have stopped singing 'we're winning away' because it doesn't make any sense to sing it but that's been a very recent development. Now our home record is shit the song makes much more sense there- if we ever do go a couple of goals up, that is.

Anyway, it's getting boring now as it sounds as though neither of us are going to change our minds so let's do the normal WHO thing and stalk each-other round every thread and make sly digs at each-other for the next six months, hijacking decent football threads with ever more personal digs until other posters hate us and start chipping in too until we have to change our user-names, yes?

Or you could ask Def to point me out at the next game and I'll buy you a beer. x

Ged 2:29 Mon Mar 26
Re: We're winning at home, we're winning at hooome, how shit must you be, we're winning at home.

Just off to bed now.

Chim, I sit almost in the opposite corner in the Chicken Run and to my recollection, the BML have sung it in every home game where we've gone ahead.

As for away, I didn't mention it in my original post. You said this started away because our away form had been so bad for such a long time. For the first season in a few years, I've hardly done any aways at all, but I'll ask you and I know you'll give an honest answer, do the away fans still sing "how shit must you be?" when we're on for a record number of away wins this season?

If what we sing makes no difference, why be bothered about singing at all? If fact, lets broaden it. If what the fans give in terms of a reaction makes that little difference, why do oppo managers come here and tell their teams to frustrate us so that we'll get on their backs? The players take no notice.

peroni 1:02 Mon Mar 26
Re: We're winning at home, we're winning at hooome, how shit must you be, we're winning at home.

Well, if Ged's decided this is no longer funny, that's good enough for me.

chim chim cha boo 12:13 Mon Mar 26
Re: We're winning at home, we're winning at hooome, how shit must you be, we're winning at home.

Ged 11:28 Sun Mar 25

I sit just to the side of Chav corner in the 'whatever the fuck its name is this week stand' or the less catchy 'West stand' and it hasn't been sung for a while at home until the Doncaster game which we looked like we'd win at a canter until our omnipotent saviour decided to defend the goal lead for an hour and a half. The place was rocking until then and actually even if you don't like the sentiment just be happy they make any noise at all.

I'm not really following your argument about how it's okay to sing it away where we do brilliantly but not at home where we don't. Surely it either puts the team off or it doesn't? My point is that the song is completely irrelevant when it comes to the team's performances. The most relevant difference is that 4-5-1 works away when we can defend stoutly and hit the home team on the break but it's dire at home when the away team will use exactly the same tactics as us and the result will be dull and dire as a point at Upton Park suits most away teams and never us.

I'll say it again- liking or disliking the song is merely a matter of taste. It has NO detrimental effect on the team- although you've just given Sam a wonderful new excuse to use next weekend.

Ged 11:47 Sun Mar 25
Re: We're winning at home, we're winning at hooome, how shit must you be, we're winning at home.

One Flew, if only. Not a drop since Tuesday.

One Flew 11:42 Sun Mar 25
Re: We're winning at home, we're winning at hooome, how shit must you be, we're winning at home.

I'd sing this song if I knew the words, btw was first sung by Fulham at our place a few seasons ago. I think this thread was started by GED on the basis that he'd already been drinking.

Ged 11:28 Sun Mar 25
Re: We're winning at home, we're winning at hooome, how shit must you be, we're winning at home.

Chim, I'm clearly talking about this song at home games. You're talking about winning the most away games in our history and singing it at away games.

It was funny. I don't think as the season has gone on and we've sung it and then thrown leads away AT HOME that it's that funny.

Furthermore, you underline the point by explaining how it started. The fact that it's sung with such gusto by home fans that mostly won't have been away this season suggests to me that many more don't see the same humour in it that you do.

This isn't a criticism of the away support or the fact that the song has ever been sung at all.

I don't like it, but it's got nothing at all to do with personal taste. I've explained at length why I don't like it. It's not just because "I don't like it".

Sorry.

:^) 11:27 Sun Mar 25
Re: We're winning at home, we're winning at hooome, how shit must you be, we're winning at home.

It's pissed me off all season and I don't even go.

Can't believe people pay to go to sing songs taking the piss out of their own club when they are winning, and BOO when they don't!?

Ever growing fuckwits sport.

Hammer and Pickle 10:44 Sun Mar 25
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Posting from very-far-far-away, I am with chim.

chim chim cha boo 10:37 Sun Mar 25
Re: We're winning at home, we're winning at hooome, how shit must you be, we're winning at home.

I'm the only one who thinks that song's funny then? Shit!

The song started (I think) around the time of Watford away when we put a couple past them and 'we're winning away' referred to the fact that we had such an appalling record away.

As someone who had gone the last couple of seasons going to every away game and seeing countless 2 goal leads turn to shit I thought it was very funny, self-deprecating and an insult to the opposition all in one. I joined in heartily.

So far this season I think it's been sung at every away game and has put the team off so much that we go into the closing third of our season with a very real chance of winning the most away games in our HISTORY.

I think that kind of blows the 'it puts the team off' allegations out of the water.

I guess that only leaves 'I don't like that song' which is just a matter of taste. None of you seem to find the song funny and I do- especially after our home form went to shit and after what seemed an eternity we won and the song turned to 'we're winning at home...' which I thought was a perfect and funny song when put into context.

I can live with being the only person who thinks that song is funny. Self-deprecation is a British birthright, not to be confused with self-hatred which rears it's ugly head too often for it's own good. Too many people on here seem to hate almost everything to do with West Ham at the moment- the songs, the booers, the home crowd, the atmosphere, the football, the manager, the captain, the beer, the food, the club shop, Brady, G&S, the turrets, the location of the ground, wanting to move from the location of the ground, the District line, the mascots, the announcer, the bloke sitting next to you, the stewards...it's all. so. . fucking. exhausting.

Northern Sold 9:43 Sun Mar 25
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Not heard this but that fucking `I wanna go home song' is awful.... an absolute embarrassment

CTM 9:35 Sun Mar 25
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Totally agree with Ged. This self deprecating thing has always been evident, but I'm not sure that it's right to go on and on about it.

On a similar note, I got bought a t-shirt from the club shop for my birthday. It bears the legend "Typical West Ham". Now of course we've all said that at one point or another - but do we really need the club to use it as a fucking marketing tool ?

I also refer you to the recent discussion ( a mere 4 weeks ago) about whether we should start singing "Big Fat Sam's C&B Army" - we're fickle bunch of fuckers - he's west ham now whether we like it or not, so give him some fucking support.

http://www.westhamonline.net/forum_flat.php?5986057

wonday myson 8:48 Sun Mar 25
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I agree 100% with you GED on this topic. When I heard it the first time it was quite amusing but to continue with it has an undermining, negative affect. We will need ALL of the home crowd behind the boys against Reading. That includes the few around me in the DML (or whatever it is called now), whilst I am bouncing around like a demented banshee, they are politely applauding.

Billy Go Wings 7:54 Sun Mar 25
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Totally agree, the songs shit and in effect slags off the team. I don't sing it, never have and never will as I can't see the point to it.

simon.s 6:28 Sun Mar 25
Re: We're winning at home, we're winning at hooome, how shit must you be, we're winning at home.

How about replacing the word winning with singing.


Shirley any singing at home matches is a bonus nowdays..

One McAvennieeeeee 6:19 Sun Mar 25
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The song, home and away, is a fucking embarrassment. We have the most expensive and largest squad in this league so to sing it makes us look stupid.

I will no way believe it has an effect on the players though.

Billy Blagg 6:17 Sun Mar 25
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..err... well, embarrasingly I don't think I've heard it but just generally I always think if you really get behind the team it's better than when you don't. To actually hear opposing players say they have been told by their Managers to keep the team quiet for the first 30 minutes and the fans will get on their back (Kean told the Blackburn players that in the relegation dogfight last season) is an appalling thing to hear about your own fans. The sad thing is that the support of the fans, in numbers at least, is always guaranteed. Is it too much to ask for a bit of vocal support too?

Funnily enough I think our recent malaise may turn UP into something approaching its best at the weekend. Hope so.

Ged 4:54 Sun Mar 25
Re: We're winning at home, we're winning at hooome, how shit must you be, we're winning at home.

sand iron, I haven't jumped on anyone's back.

I pointed out why I don't like that song and my comments were positive and clearly related to more than 1 manager - our last 4 in fact.

That though was a sideline to the main point, being that I don't like the message of the "We're winning at home" song which I don't think is sung with half the irony or gallows humour that some others think. I think it's negative, undermines the players, some of whom we know a know to not really that mentally strong, and boosts the opposition.

sand iron 4:44 Sun Mar 25
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Agree its a shit northern song, makes my toes curl up.

Has for getting behind the manager, well mmm?? on being appointed & doing he's 1st ever interview (I think?) he said 'what's the west ham way, getting beat every week'... So straight away he's gone about rubbing the fans up the wrong way.

The west ham way was born under greenwood in the 60s & was our own distinctive & back then unique brand of football that set us apart from everyone else, the 'west ham' way was carried on for over 4 decades after, between lyall, bonds & redknapp, between em playing good entertaining football, and over those years winning a European trophy, 3 fa cups & coming 3 points too winning the league.

That was the west ham way, a way which nearly every supporter associates OUR west ham.

When he came out with that statement it reeked of pure arrogance, big headedness & almost ridiculing our proud history. He immediately set himself apart from the supporters, I don't think that event down well with the bulk of us.

That one statement set the benchmark for the season of shite shite football thats followed, we are now on a par with stoke for
playing the ugliest brand of football a manager can serve up.

So before we jump on the home supporters backs over not warming to him, I think we have to put things into perspective.

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