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Joke Whole 8:51 Tue Jun 9
TTIP
YOU won't know what's fucking hit you. Seriously.

And when enough of you wake up and cotton on, it will be well too late.

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Toe Rag 10:47 Thu Jun 18
Re: TTIP
I hate the way the left has co opted the Levellers (so called). I doubt the likes of Lilburne would have had time for the Metropolitan left wing elite such as Owen Jones that have embraced them.

Probably would have given them a volley and then closed with pike, sword and club.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 10:36 Thu Jun 18
Re: TTIP
Possibly my favourite Tweet for weeks.

Here's uber-cunt Owen Jones:

'Here's my other England: the England of the suffragettes, the Levellers, the trade unionists, the LGBT activists'

Marvellous unconscious self-parody

After8 10:36 Wed Jun 17
Re: TTIP
Only socialist in that I believe everybody should have the best chance they can to better themselves in live without having a negative impact on others.

They choose not to make the most of that chance, whenever it presents itself, then fuck 'em.

Oh god, you're a Tory then. Phew.

Joke Whole 8:21 Wed Jun 17
Re: TTIP
Only socialist in that I believe everybody should have the best chance they can to better themselves in live without having a negative impact on others.

They choose not to make the most of that chance, whenever it presents itself, then fuck 'em.

After8 9:41 Wed Jun 17
Re: TTIP
You are a wee bit socialist though aren't you whole? Not that I mind socialists, anyone with principals is fine with me.

Joke Whole 10:00 Mon Jun 15
Re: TTIP
"You and your socialist colleagues..."

If anyone here or elsewhere needs evidence that you haven't a fucking clue about the workings in and of real life - but possibly (only possibly, mind you) are a mine of knowledge about the world bounded only by the walls of your ivory tower - they are welcome to use that response as a reference.

JGW1 2:02 Mon Jun 15
Re: TTIP

Infidel 2:42 Sun Jun 14
Re: TTIP

Laughable stuff. Some of the shit you people come out with!

Ged 12:54 Mon Jun 15
Re: TTIP
SurfaceAgentX2Zero 5:39 Thu Jun 11

No faux outrage here, though it might suit you. I notice no one has addressed my questions though.

As an aside, I've always argued against the Tory line, but I would challenge any of you to find me in deed of worrying that I argue against the Labour party leadership.

eusebiovic 9:57 Sun Jun 14
Re: TTIP
Infidel 8:46 Sun Jun 14

I am in a very strange mood today, the fact that I've ingested a large quantity of the falling down water. What with the thick cloud above and also in the glass below - containing addlestones cider...I've come over all melancholy

Anyway, in English

There are those who will defend the unregulated free market to the death and state that it's a great thing

There are those who will defend the social society to the death and state that it's a great thing

There are loads in-between who look at all the evidence and get a horrible, sneaky feeling that something has gone terribly wrong but don't really know why

When the third group asks the opinion of the first two - they never get a satisfactory answer

I get a bad vibe regarding certain elements of TTIP - particularly the disputed clause in question which is not unreasonable

No more cider today

Infidel 8:46 Sun Jun 14
Re: TTIP
eusebiovic

"My point was that you all defend the system without question whether it's against a loony leftie or not...whoever disagrees with it regardless of what they are is always wrong

Always"

This is a clarification? I have absolutely no idea what it means !

You are a comic genius. Please,please post again.

Hammer and Pickle 3:44 Sun Jun 14
Re: TTIP
*fries up Hermit's kidney in olive oil, shallots and cognac*

eusebiovic 3:38 Sun Jun 14
Re: TTIP
SurfaceAgentX2Zero 3:22 Sun Jun 14

My point was that you all defend the system without question whether it's against a loony leftie or not...whoever disagrees with it regardless of what they are is always wrong

Always

Hermit Road 3:30 Sun Jun 14
Re: TTIP
Something on business leaders from Forbes. We need and their ruthless dedication to progress, I wouldn't be in a massive rush to hand them the keys to the asylum though.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/victorlipman/2013/04/25/the-disturbing-link-between-psychopathy-and-leadership/


The Disturbing Link Between Psychopathy And Leadership


Victor Lipman ,CONTRIBUTOR
I write about management in its many forms.
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Opinions expressed by Forbes Contributors are their own.
It is not the image we like to have when we think of business leaders. But troubling research indicates that in the ranks of senior management, psychopathic behavior may be more common than we think – more prevalent in fact than the amount such seriously aberrant behavior occurs in the general population.

At first blush this may seem counterintuitive, even outrageous. We tend to think of psychopathy as the province of criminals, with leadership qualities that may land someone atop a fringe religious cult, say – not in a boardroom. But before discussing the research, let’s consider for a moment why this possibility is actually less bizarre than it may initially seem.

The hallmarks of the psychopathic personality involve egocentric, grandiose behavior, completely lacking empathy and conscience. Additionally, psychopaths may be charismatic, charming, and adept at manipulating one-on-one interactions. In a corporation, one’s ability to advance is determined in large measure by a person’s ability to favorably impress his or her direct manager. Unfortunately, certain of these psychopathic qualities – in particular charm, charisma, grandiosity (which can be mistaken for vision or confidence) and the ability to “perform” convincingly in one-on-one settings – are also qualities that can help one get ahead in the business world.

Snakes in Suits – An excellent book, Snakes in Suits: When Psychopaths Go to Work, by Paul Babiak, Ph.D., and Robert Hare, Ph.D., published in 2006, is the foundational work on the subject and offers a comprehensive look at how psychopaths operate effectively in the workplace. To quote a few portions:

Several abilities – skills, actually – make it difficult to see psychopaths for who they are. First, they are motivated to, and have a talent for, ‘reading people’ and for sizing them up quickly. They identify a person’s likes and dislikes, motives, needs, weak spots, and vulnerabilities… Second, many psychopaths come across as having excellent oral communication skills. In many cases, these skills are more apparent than real because of their readiness to jump right into a conversation without the social inhibitions that hamper most people… Third, they are masters of impression management; their insight into the psyche of others combined with a superficial – but convincing – verbal fluency allows them to change their situation skillfully as it suits the situation and their game plan.

The authors also note that many psychopaths, of course, are not suited for the business environment:

Some do not have enough social or communication skill or education to interact successfully with others, relying instead on threats, coercion, intimidation, and violence to dominate others and to get what they want. Typically, such individuals are manifestly aggressive and rather nasty, and unlikely to charm victims into submission, relying on their bullying approach instead. This book (Snakes in Suits) is less about them than about those who are willing to use their ‘deadly charm’ to con and manipulate others.

How prevalent are psychopaths in the ranks of senior management? Exact counts are impossible to obtain. (It is humorously difficult to imagine a researcher approaching a head of Human Resources and asking, “We’d like to do some research to assess just how many psychopaths your organization has in its leadership.”) In 2010, however, Paul Babiak, Robert Hare and Craig Neumann had the opportunity to examine psychopathy in a sample of 203 individuals from numerous companies’ management development programs. While these individuals were not yet at the top rungs of their organizations, they were on track potentially to get there.

The study’s findings were disturbing, bearing out the large amount of anecdotal evidence the researchers had long been gathering. The research showed that approximately 3% of those assessed in this management development program study scored in the psychopath range – well above the incidence of 1% in the general population. By comparison, the incidence of psychopathy in prison populations is estimated at around 15%.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 3:22 Sun Jun 14
Re: TTIP
eusebiovic 2:58 Sun Jun 14

'Cognitive dissonance which accepts proto-fascism is what this is all about...They have won and the minion monkeys who work for them have no answers - other than to conform'

Splendidly pretentious and mangled stuff.

I think that roughly translates as 'everyone except us extreme left-wing activists is too thick to see that they are being manipulated by our ideological opponents who are (obviously) Nazis'.

Why don't you just come straight out and call us 'sheeple'?

Baa!

Infidel 3:15 Sun Jun 14
Re: TTIP
eusebiovic

Brilliant.

I think you've got the The 2015 Pretentious Meaningless Twaddle Award sewn up.

Coffee 3:00 Sun Jun 14
Re: TTIP
"What I admire about you socialists is the audacity with which you present such fallacious arguments."

Pot. Kettle. Black.

eusebiovic 2:58 Sun Jun 14
Re: TTIP
People who work in the city will have been mentally conditioned to defend this even though it's totally wrong on so many levels...

Cognitive dissonance which accepts proto-fascism is what this is all about...They have won and the minion monkeys who work for them have no answers - other than to conform

It is what it is

Infidel 2:42 Sun Jun 14
Re: TTIP
Joke

What I admire about you socialists is the audacity with which you present such fallacious arguments.

There is a market for labour. Like any market there is a supply of labour and a demand for labour. And like any market the price paid for that labour is heavily influenced by the interaction of supply and demand.

You and your socialist colleagues have spend decades over-taxing and over-regulating businesses, and demonising business people. As a result many businesses have shut down, many more have relocated out of Britain and we will never know how many businesses were never started because of the formidable hurdles put in the path of entrepreneurs.

The result is that we have an excess of supply of labour and insufficient demand, which is forcing wages down.

You, the Left, caused this, not us on the right.

If you want wages to rise the remedies are simple: slash taxes,slash regulation and make Britain the best place in the world to set up and run a business. That would drive up demand for labour and cause wages to rise. You don't need a degree in economics to get your head around that simple concept.

But we will never have full employment until we can drive out the cancer that is socialism. Socialism is the enemy of the poor and the low paid, driving away businesses, forcing unemployment up and condemning millions of families to a life of misery.

Joke Whole 8:34 Sun Jun 14
Re: TTIP
Infidel 1:57 Sat Jun 13

That's all bollocks. If every man and his sister got a degree tomorrow, employers would still give any available work to whoever charged less, and, if they couldn't get a local would either import the labour or shift operations.

Hammer and Pickle 2:47 Sun Jun 14
Re: TTIP
Hope you're not retained in any motivational capacity at your corporation, Infidel - for the shareholders' sake especially.

Infidel 1:57 Sat Jun 13
Re: TTIP
H&P

That 'human capital' as you call it is not just a downstream recipient of whatever the employer metes out to them.

Human capital is an ugly term for what is better described as 'people'.

And people need to take responsibility for themselves, not wait to receive instructions from their employer.

That means investing in themselves. They can start by reading books - lots of them. It takes 45 seconds to read an average page of text. In round numbers that means 3.5 hours to read a book of 300 pages, so just 30 minutes reading every night before going to sleep and you can read 50 books a year.

That's why there is no excuse for remaining on low pay. In the long run you are paid what you are worth,so by increasing your value to an employer (and being willing to move jobs / relocate when necessary) you also increase your pay.

I have no truck with this idea that employees are victims and employers decide how much people are paid. The employee decides how much he or she is paid - by making the right decisions and investing time and energy in self improvement.

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