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Eddie B 11:30 Fri Feb 12
Independent to announce closure of print editions today
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/feb/12/independent-expected-to-announce-closure-of-print-editions

Evgeny Lebedev is expected to announce later on Friday that the print editions of the Independent and Independent on Sunday will be closed.

Lebedev is in the final stages of a deal to sell the i, the cut-price national title which has financially supported the Independent since launching in 2010, with the £25m proceeds to be used to focus on building the independent.co.uk website – at the expense of the newspapers.

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aldgate 11:56 Sun Feb 14
Re: Independent to announce closure of print editions today
More people are on their phones on the train than reading the free standard print edition which will be a worry for the owners when advertisers finally catch on. Once tube wifi fully works it could spell the fairly quick demise of the standard and metro

HairyHammer 12:20 Sun Feb 14
Re: Independent to announce closure of print editions today
Remember it fondly, as a young man buying it just because it was a newly born paper.

Sven Roeder 8:42 Sat Feb 13
Re: Independent to announce closure of print editions today
Apart from Slav's column I look out for the ES magazine to keep up with where to get the latest £5,000 handbag & where are the best areas to find my next £50m house.

Sven Roeder 8:40 Sat Feb 13
Re: Independent to announce closure of print editions today
As I understand it the Evening Standard is making money while the Independent & the London Live tv station burn it.
Not much but the advertising on giving away 700,000 plus copies a day covers the costs.

terry-h 8:33 Sat Feb 13
Re: Independent to announce closure of print editions today
Will Lebedev be tempted to do the same to the Evening Standard? It will be a shame if that disappears as I can while away half an hour on the way home reading Slav's column once a week.

ohgodno 7:19 Sat Feb 13
Re: Independent to announce closure of print editions today
riosleftsock 12:28 Sat Feb 13

Is this the part where I list all the right wing movements composed completely of nutters and then someone says "but what about Mao and Stalin!"

Both sides have their nutters. Ours have come right out of the woodwork at the moment. But they'll fuck off back to the Green Party soon.

What we all need to agree on is people trying to make socialism a dirty word, in the style of the yanks, are fucking spastics.

Mike Oxsaw 7:16 Sat Feb 13
Re: Independent to announce closure of print editions today
When I bought my first house in 1976, in one of the identical "Coronation Street" houses opposite lived a man (65), his sister (63) and their father (83).

5 o'clock every night, 7 days a week, the man & his father left home, had a pint each in the local then caught the train to Farringdon Station in London.

From there they were picked up and taken to the Mirror print building in/behind Fleet Street, where they just sat around (on "guard duty") being served up beers on demand and added to whatever take-away meals delivery the journalists and editors ordered.

There were a couple of dozen others doing exactly the same role with the Mirror, and this was repeated at every title on Fleet Street. A clause in their contract held for members a job for life and the unions were so powerful that no management dared challenge it.

I also used to socialise with several journalists and editorial staff (mainly at the Cartoonist, but often elsewhere) on Fleet Street over a pint at lunch and they confirmed the situation ("but don't quote me on that").

So tight was the union's control, when the father got unable to travel in, a fleet of taxis delivered to his house through the night whatever the people on the shop floor got. beers, food (no "dancing girls" at his age but it was made obvious they were available).

The son then threw a sickie (bad back = lazy cunt), and they both became entitled to delivered benefits.

I must confess to coming home many times and the dear old sister calling me over as I climbed out of my car to hand me a massive bag of the previous night's deliveries "because I looked like a nice lad and it would save me cooking after a long day at work and anyway it would just get thrown away". It was always top tucker and fed me & the cat for days.

All this on top of state pension and benefits.

Well done to the unions for looking after their members so well, but it was never, ever going to last. They were never going to negotiate away such a package, so Wapping had to happen.

Now we have the internet so all the Wapping advances, and all that followed is on the road to oblivion.

Do miss a well crafted news report though, a lack of those really is the baby out with the bathwater.

the peckham cod 6:02 Sat Feb 13
Re: Independent to announce closure of print editions today
http://www.bangingout.org.uk/

Fleet street remembered. Greay short film about fleet street printers and the wapping dispute.

Scraper 4:55 Sat Feb 13
Re: Independent to announce closure of print editions today

Maybe I'm thinking of the Observer

Scraper 4:54 Sat Feb 13
Re: Independent to announce closure of print editions today

Aren't they the same as the Guardian, literally? Some kind of collaboration?

Son of Anarchy 4:33 Sat Feb 13
Re: Independent to announce closure of print editions today
The problem with socalism is, one day youll run out of other peoples money

Mad Dog 1:56 Sat Feb 13
Re: Independent to announce closure of print editions today
Riosleftsock. Couldn't agree more

marlonsrightsock 12:39 Sat Feb 13
Re: Independent to announce closure of print editions today
Sock man don't hold Dapablo as an indication of how one of us lefties view the World, he's just a know nothing cunt that says things to get a rise

riosleftsock 12:28 Sat Feb 13
Re: Independent to announce closure of print editions today
Its funny how right wing people tend to tolerate views opposite to their own and will even debate them intelligently.

Yet left wing people seem intolerant to other views.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 12:08 Sat Feb 13
Re: Independent to announce closure of print editions today
A shame. A left of centre newspaper that isn't entirely bonkers.

Johnson 11:42 Sat Feb 13
Re: Independent to announce closure of print editions today
Cunt

Dapablo 1:49 Sat Feb 13
Re: Independent to announce closure of print editions today
Crassus wrote...

"A literary version of 'Know you enemy before fighting your enemy'"

That's not fair, that means a right winger can read good works championing the cause of mankind, whilst a left winger to achieve the same balance would need to read a load of selfishness and greed is good soul destruction.

May I suggest your maybe rather catching up than balancing?

Alex Bunbury 12:35 Sat Feb 13
Re: Independent to announce closure of print editions today
I can't see how the political slant of a newspaper would not influence whether you buy it.

Alfie 12:31 Sat Feb 13
Re: Independent to announce closure of print editions today
It is never to be celebrated when a newpaper expires.

The decline of the written printed inky word.

I met an inky printer at an industry forum, a died in the wool manc from dark north with a lifelong season ticket. When we were discussing the decline of printed cheques i could see the fear in his eyes, right in his cornea. The fear of the decline of the machine delivered ink spat printed sprayed out word from a press

Darby_ 12:24 Sat Feb 13
Re: Independent to announce closure of print editions today
Crassus, I agree about that. I used to read the Spectator because I was curious about how the other half thinks. But the Spectator, like most magazines and papers, isn't as good as it used to be. I wonder where all these talented writers go.

Crassus 11:16 Fri Feb 12
Re: Independent to announce closure of print editions today
OMM

In the event that I buy a paper it would be the Guardian/Observer entirely because of its political bent

A view with which I entirely disagree but there is little point in reading something that you will agree with by nature. far better to reaffirm those views by having the opposing on the page.

And here is the interesting thing, by doing so you challenge your own position, sometimes even changing it by properly absorbing the arguement.

A literary version of 'Know you enemy before fighting your enemy'

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