Bullet 4:34 Sat Feb 20
EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
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BBC
Britain will vote on whether to remain in the EU on Thursday 23 June, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
The prime minister made his historic announcement in Downing Street after briefing the cabinet.
He said he would be campaigning to remain in a reformed EU - and described the vote as one of the biggest decisions "in our lifetimes".
Ministers immediately divide
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
4:23 Sun May 26
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Indeed, Darby. we might as well. Although I'm pretty sure Slovakia and the UK don't adjoin.
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Darby_
4:16 Sun May 26
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Well, indeed, I've said that on that here many times, Surfy. If everyone's not bothered with that then I suppose there will be an open border between Dublin and London and Bratislava for that matter.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
3:57 Sun May 26
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Darby_ 1:53 Sun May 26
'Surfy, the 'problem' is that freedom of movement will continue into the UK if EU citizens can use Ireland as a back door into the UK.'
Why would there be a problem? No documents when applying for a job or benefits and you're gone.
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Side of Ham
3:55 Sun May 26
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The so called intellects on here just want to scaremonger about a no deal when we all know COMMERCE will then ensure a deal gets done because it is then taken away from the gutless politicians. They want the power but not the decision to put themselves up for actually running the country.
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Fo the Communist
2:33 Sun May 26
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A good read. Nick Cohen in good form.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/25/the-tories-have-abandoned-thought-in-favour-of-believing-their-own-lies?fbclid=IwAR0JhZiqOGRCnLf3k0U_hXRv3hBO63gHq7jw3PEOyz4n7a5kt4RQki_umi4
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13 Brentford Rd
2:29 Sun May 26
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So we couldn't have a hard border here Darby?
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Darby_
1:53 Sun May 26
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Surfy, the 'problem' is that freedom of movement will continue into the UK if EU citizens can use Ireland as a back door into the UK.
If people are happy with that sort of freedom of movement to continue, though, then it's not really a problem.
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Willtell
1:47 Sun May 26
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Weird what some people worry about. If Ireland suffers from the EU refusing a free trade deal with the UK why would that affect a trade deal between UK & USA?
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Hammer and Pickle
1:45 Sun May 26
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You’re off your rocker, Doc.
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DocMarten
1:43 Sun May 26
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Quite happy to take a no deal if that’s the end result. Both sides will quickly get back to being round the table on a more equal footing when it happens.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
1:42 Sun May 26
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Darby_ 11:57 Sun May 26
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'An Irish hard border is a non-starter. So what’s the alternative? Freedom of movement between Dublin and London until something more permanent is worked out?'
Erm. Irish nationals have always had freedom of movement into the UK.
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Darlo Debs
1:41 Sun May 26
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It actually doesn't matter if you or any other brexiteer believes it or otherwise, the Irish lobby in the USA is a fairly powerful.one, so if they perceive that a no deal brexit will cause damage to lasting peace with Ireland then doing any trade with the USA if we leave on WTO terms will e nigh on impossible. Apparently.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
1:37 Sun May 26
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zebthecat 10:46 Sat May 25
'"I�d rather no deal than ignore the will of the people."
How do you know that no deal is the will of the people?'
He didn't claim anything of the sort, did he?
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Willtell
1:24 Sun May 26
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I’m not Debs.
The Irish border is a negotiation ploy from the EU that want to strengthen their own hand. It’s a disgraceful charade jumped on by a frightened Ireland who’s trade will most likely suffer from any Brexit tariffs making their farm produce more expensive than UK produce.
UK doesn’t want a hard border. Ireland doesn’t want a hard border. Who is going to put one in then? Oh that would be the EU then...
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Darlo Debs
1:05 Sun May 26
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Darby i am.sure that not sorting that out would pretty much bugger up.our chances with getting a deal.with the USA if we go to a no deal brexit. Pretty sure i have seen something about Congress putting the kybosh on any deal we might make with the USA if coming out of the EU poses any risk.to.The Good Friday Agreement.
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Mike Oxsaw
12:42 Sun May 26
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Willtell 12:18 Sun May 26
Careful there. In some people's eyes, the EU can do no wrong - and if it ever does, it must always be forgiven/glossed over/forgotten (for "the best").
I'm surprised they don't all strap a copy of the CAP to their bodies and threaten to trigger it if they don't get all their own way...
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Willtell
12:18 Sun May 26
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Sven Roeder 11:04 Sun May 26
“Have any of the candidates revealed their solution to the N Ireland backstop thingy?
What happens on that border if there is no deal?”
Absolutely nothing happens. In fact, if the EU really gave a shit about Ireland, except as a bargaining chip, they’d give UK a no tariffs deal to ensure there is no friction
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ChillTheKeel
12:17 Sun May 26
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Has to be a leave PM!
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That leaves Bozo out.
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Mike Oxsaw
12:13 Sun May 26
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"No deal" is clearly just a starting point. "Deal" would be another starting point (unless it's written in stone/the constitution/law).
So "No Deal" is and was never going to be for ever - just a harder kick up the arse to get on and sort things out.
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Darby_
11:57 Sun May 26
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I understand that people might think that No Deal is a good short term option, but remember if there is a No Deal, it’ll be the UK that’s desperate to solve the Irish issue, not the EU. It looks to me as if it’ll put the UK in a worse bargaining position rather than a better one.
An Irish hard border is a non-starter. So what’s the alternative? Freedom of movement between Dublin and London until something more permanent is worked out?
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Hammer and Pickle
11:49 Sun May 26
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The choice of new PM will reflect the line for the GE campaign, probably in the autumn this year. If this campaign is fought by the Tories in the midst of no-deal hysteria, they will have a chance of wresting the Leave baby boomers from Farage.
But then the country will be out in the WTO and more utterly at odds with itself than ever. It will also mean the end of the Conservatives.
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