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Bullet 4:34 Sat Feb 20
EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
BBC
Britain will vote on whether to remain in the EU on Thursday 23 June, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
The prime minister made his historic announcement in Downing Street after briefing the cabinet.
He said he would be campaigning to remain in a reformed EU - and described the vote as one of the biggest decisions "in our lifetimes".
Ministers immediately divide

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Hammer and Pickle 7:32 Wed May 22
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I reckon we’re dealing with a core demographic that hasn’t come to terms with the shift to services and away from nationalised/unionised industry in the late 20th Century. Over the years a narrative has been created with the EU and foreigners as the bad guy that it can easily identify with and consume. Other 21st Century precariat have latched on and it is now definitely a cult - no talking sense to these people I’m afraid as Brexit has become an article of faith and key identity reference point.

I fear that as long as the politicians keep seeing the Brexit demographic as a source of easy votes, this is going to keep marginalising the country in any membership scenario, perhaps for decades to come.

Crassus 7:30 Wed May 22
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RoRo
You are correct, roll on roll off trailered freight is the domain of the EU as a consequence of the Euro Pallet rendering containerisation invalid and polarising trade through specific ports
I should have said, if using ‘rolled’, the containers are rolled out of port on skellies
Point remains though, sealed containers are merely spot checked with customs clearance whilst in transit

Mike Oxsaw 7:26 Wed May 22
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Gavros 6:30 Wed May 22

The British police have the technology in service now - TODAY - and have had for at least 5 years.

The authorities, for reasons best known to themselves have elected not to activate to the appropriate quality level for border functions, but it is there (Facial Recognition being one aspect in the news recently; it's fucking seriously good, despite what the "authorities" say).

Of course, if they claim the technology is not available, that helps the remain camp, but, in reality, it's only not available because they choose to make it so - it's available and proven in the field.

threesixty 7:15 Wed May 22
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Mike

"Who said anything about the MPs bringing it up?

The paranoia if the whole remain camp would have ensured somebody would have screeched loud enough about it to catch Channel 4, the BBC or the Independent's attention.
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Mate, just because cavemen didn't use electricity doesn't mean it didn't exist now does it? Now because various people failed to focus on the issue doesnt now mean the issue isnt there. Have they been arguing for 3 yrs over a non existent problem then?

This is like talking to a flat earther. ffs. there were tons of details that came out after the referendum that no one had talked or thought about much when they initiated the thing.

Thats just how projects are. From cross rail to h2 to brexit, people overlook stuff. Doesnt mean its not important and doesnt mean (like in this case) it isnt a deal breaker. NI i(amongst other things has been a dealbreaker.)

Gavros 7:09 Wed May 22
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Non-EU imports come in on container ships, not Ro-Ro, unless theyve first gone through a customs and regulatory border elsewhere in the EU.

Maybe youre confusing the two?

Container arriving stuff at places like Harwich and Liverpool is checked as per requirements.

Crassus 6:59 Wed May 22
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Gav

You post is disengenuous, there is technology enabling a frictionless border and food and agricultural produce absolutely are controlled, srtictly I read

Also, what happens with our growing non EU imports today? Those arriving upon sea containers, sealed sea containers? They are advanced custom cleared thats what, arrive and are RoRo'd off and away with periodic physical checking - just like arriving at Callais in a car

Side of Ham 6:48 Wed May 22
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Maybe Gavros can build this wall after all he's put up enough walls for excuses not to have a Brexit.

He needs to worry more about the air he breathes in and that Hackney also tops the heart failure rate league.

Gavros 6:45 Wed May 22
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Norway and Switzerland are Single Market members, so all regulatory and sanitary (food and agri) checks arent needed and there's just a customs border, which is physical.

What the hard brexit mob want is to be outside of the Single Market and customs union, which means customs and regulatory checks have to be done.

So saying "Norway doesnt have a hard border" is not just wrong, but doenst even come close to applying what the UK would implement if we left the CU and SM.

Block 6:44 Wed May 22
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* awaits for a frictionless trade comment*

Which by the way, doesn't exist. It's a fucking myth.

Crassus 6:41 Wed May 22
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So, just for clarity, when does a soft border become a hrad border?

Semantics I suggest, there is free movement across the Scandinavian border and the Irish/UK border is not without stops and customs checks

Block 6:39 Wed May 22
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Oh here he is, Afternoon, Chilled son.

Gavros 6:38 Wed May 22
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Norway has a hard border, as does Switzerland.

Crassus 6:36 Wed May 22
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Gav
What about a nation of twats then - Norway?

ChillTheKeel 6:34 Wed May 22
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I know for a fact technology has evolved enough,

________

Fucking hell

Block 6:33 Wed May 22
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You're wrong on just about everything.

Again, I ask who's going to build this hard border you speak of as the EU, NI/IRE and The Tories have said they won't be enforcing a hard border?

Is trump and his cronies coming over to build it?

Gavros 6:30 Wed May 22
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What, because a couple of other twats like Zero and Oxsaw say its so, that makes your point correct now, does it, Bolty?

Never mind what the Treasury and HMRC have said to Commons Select Committees, Oxsaw on WHO said its doable!

Fucking nobs.

Block 6:26 Wed May 22
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* Sits back and smiles at Divros *

You really need to investigate things first, before suggesting such claims.

Absolute retard - Jay from the Inbetweeners strikes again.

Block 6:24 Wed May 22
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Here we go, Divros is trying to pretend to know it all.

I know for a fact technology has evolved enough,

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 6:23 Wed May 22
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Gavros 5:50 Wed May 22

'The frictionless border in NI is required as per international treaty known as the Belfast Agreement'

The EU, Ireland and the UK have all confirmed they will not be constructing a hard border.

Your point is bogus.

Mike Oxsaw 6:23 Wed May 22
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Gavros 6:14 Wed May 22

Strange, because that's exactly what I've been deploying along several national borders for the last two years.

Gavros 6:22 Wed May 22
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And of course, with your vast experience in customs and regulatory controls including sanitary and phytosanitary checks, you'd be the best person to judge that, Bolty?

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