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Bullet 4:34 Sat Feb 20
EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
BBC
Britain will vote on whether to remain in the EU on Thursday 23 June, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
The prime minister made his historic announcement in Downing Street after briefing the cabinet.
He said he would be campaigning to remain in a reformed EU - and described the vote as one of the biggest decisions "in our lifetimes".
Ministers immediately divide

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master 11:12 Mon Dec 17
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Idiot

Alwaysaniron 11:10 Mon Dec 17
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We need another referendum. Why?
1. We were ALL duped in the first one and by both sides
2. Nobody (well 99% of us) didn't really understand what leaving may actually mean.
3. Much of the youth and future tax payers of this country were left disenfranchised by the debate but their future depends on what us old farts actually do. More of them are starting to understand the implications of leaving now and they need to be fully engaged.

If I am honest (I am a remainer no secret there) we actually needed a good 2 year debate to fully understand the potential outcome of leaving. We've had that debate now and so I think it's time to have a REAL vote.

REMAIN
HARD BREXIT
LEAVE UNDER MAY'S TERMS

That should be our options

Westham67 10:50 Mon Dec 17
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They are not starting from scratch though are there negotiations are done and contracts.signed

Hammer and Pickle 10:48 Mon Dec 17
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Point is, the part of the world that cooperates as the EU has purchasing power, currency stability, relatively low interest rates, a massive tariff-free internal market and cost advantages pertaining to CU and Schengen that are the envy of anyone rational not part of the EU.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 10:39 Mon Dec 17
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WH67

Blimey, WH67 - It's amazing then, that the entire world, including the EU, which trades either extensively or exclusively under WTO rules, isn't in dire straights.

Westham67 10:23 Mon Dec 17
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I reading using WTO rules isn't and easy ride tariffs, border controls, negotiate new trade deals which a long time and hard rules to enforce

goose 10:16 Mon Dec 17
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The vultures of WTO will get a mutual kick in the balls. It’s pointless trying to punish the UK.

Mike Oxsaw 9:59 Mon Dec 17
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Who is asking the EU to "break ranks"?

EVERYBODY KNEW that the fall-back situation was leave with no deal and 52% of the people who cared enough about the UK voted to go with that.

There are NO WTO "vultures" circling, That's the vodka speaking (yet again).

ALL that will happen is that, if required, the UK will negotiate bilateral tariffing with all/any trade partners - for all anybody knows, the UK could open negotiations with an across the board tariff rate of 0%, then matching that of those it trades with if it so desires - that's if it decides, not the EU..

Hammer and Pickle 9:51 Mon Dec 17
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Absolutely hopeless - you are digging yourselves ever deeper into the hole and the vultures in the WTO are beginning to circle. Nobody in the EU is going to break ranks to pull you out.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 9:27 Mon Dec 17
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The EU is certainly our competitor and maybe has even crossed the line to antagonist. It's about time our negotiators took account of this and stopped treating them as partners and acting surprised when they get nothing from them.

orwells tragedy 9:19 Mon Dec 17
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"misrepresentation of the EU as the UK's enemy"

The binary retort of a simpleton, if you aren't my friend you're my enemy, if you aren't left you're right, etc etc......

Coffee 7:46 Mon Dec 17
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:-)

Hammer and Pickle 7:43 Mon Dec 17
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My point exactly.

Coffee 7:37 Mon Dec 17
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Tosh.

Hammer and Pickle 7:23 Mon Dec 17
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EU Federalism is irrelevant to Brexit because hardly anyone is talking realpolitik about Europe in the UK.

Or rather, Brexit is a project by which all the European misrepresentations and caricatures Brexiteers indulge themselves in render the UK politically incapable of cooperating in an adult and constructive manner in Europe.

As such, the Brexit mess we are witnessing provides a powerful argument for any EU projects that might be called federalist, bringing the members ever closer together, be it on climate change, security, energy policy, fiscal union, migration or the common funding budget.

Meanwhile, the Brexiteer need for a political rallying-point in the form of a gross misrepresentation of the EU as the UK's enemy may yet leave the UK outside the SM and CU after March 29th. And the EU will carry on cooperating regardless. So, to all real intents and purposes, EU federalism is irrelevant to Brexit.

Mike Oxsaw 6:32 Mon Dec 17
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Federalism? If intelligent people don't mention it, it simply won't happen. Only intelligent people, however, know this, so there is no need to even think about, let alone discuss it..

orwells tragedy 1:38 Mon Dec 17
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As you say, a bit odd.
Maybe they don't know what they are voting for. Maybe they think they can reform it. Or maybe they are just a bit ashamed to admit it for some reason.

neilalex 1:28 Mon Dec 17
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Lots of abstentions and spoiled papers it would appear unfortunately. I am genuinely astonished at the lack of discussion about it. It's almost as if people don't want to discuss the prospect of federalism whilst simultaneously acknowledging that that's the inevitable path we're taking if we remain.

I honestly can't get my head around it. It seems to me dishonest intellectually, or perhaps delusional. I'd have a great deal more respect for people who wish to remain if they simply came out and said that they were ok with a Federal Europe, and rationally explained why. Thus far only Pickle has really, and given that he's in Poland it doesn't really count.

orwells tragedy 1:12 Mon Dec 17
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neilalex

How's your poll coming along mate?

neilalex 12:55 Mon Dec 17
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The bloke's a fucking amateur. All hail the king;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9YnDirqwT4

mashed in maryland 11:07 Sun Dec 16
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Serious Drinking 10:35 Sun Dec 16

If most of us showed up at work that visibly drunk we'd be sacked on the spot.

And let's be honest none of us do anything near as important as him.

It's beyond parody, there are videos where he can barely stand up, and the other week he was at a conference in odd shoes ffs.

Apt username btw.

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