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Bullet 4:34 Sat Feb 20
EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
BBC
Britain will vote on whether to remain in the EU on Thursday 23 June, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
The prime minister made his historic announcement in Downing Street after briefing the cabinet.
He said he would be campaigning to remain in a reformed EU - and described the vote as one of the biggest decisions "in our lifetimes".
Ministers immediately divide

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Fo the Communist 1:04 Wed Mar 20
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Crass
Never mind the macro-politics. You going to give up using Round-up on your estate?

Crassus 12:56 Wed Mar 20
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In further news this morning of Germany industry, two of it's flagship brands hit bother

BMW - sales slide, profits down 10% and share price off 4% on the day

Bayer - Uncle Sam has the pip with glysophate, legal action and a share slide by 10%

Don't choke on your schnitzel 'Mutti'

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 12:55 Wed Mar 20
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Branded

So it's fuck all like sport, then.

Another fucking stupid post which you contradict in the next post. Ridiculous idiot. You should stick to the unattributed C&Ps.

ironsofcanada 12:54 Wed Mar 20
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BRANDED 12:45 Wed Mar 20

Politics is different from law. A law means nothing if it is not a significant undertaking to change it. Fundamentally different concepts though of course, linked.

The referendum was backed before and after by laws.

Fo the Communist 12:54 Wed Mar 20
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I haven't thwarted anything, Nursey. I have given my opinion on a football forum.

I have no problem with leave being enacted. I am a democrat living in a democratic country. And I wouldn't live anywhere else, Brexit or not.

But as Branded hinted, the result of a referendum does not end the debate. Why would it? I am sure Farage et all would still be banging on had the result gone the other way. And why shouldn't they? That's what happens.

And the bottom line is that while leave won, the result was nowhere near decisive enough to end the debate. That's what happens in free democratic countries. I'm surprised that is such an anathema to so many.

BRANDED 12:45 Wed Mar 20
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Zero

Politics is about winners and losers getting new chances all the time to have another go. Shit changes,

Nurse Ratched 12:41 Wed Mar 20
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Fo.

I've no idea how it's going to.play out. Neither do you.

There's a chance Brexit could be thwarted. Whose fault is that? The voters' or the politicians'?

No blame attached to Leave voters. Well done you for cheering on the potential thwarting of a democratic vote. What a guy.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 12:37 Wed Mar 20
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threesixty 12:18 Wed Mar 20

'I still feel that the most sensible thing to do is to put it to the public again or just withdraw A50 and spend 5yrs or so adjusting our economy'

Ah yes. Your usual 'ignore the democratically expressed will of the people' option. Actually it's more than that, it's 'let's defy the democratically-expressed will of the people'

To be fair, you are usually more mealy-mouthed about stating your fascistic position.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 12:33 Wed Mar 20
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BRANDED 12:11 Wed Mar 20

'Referendum winners obvs don’t follow sports. They would know that the next day you’re back at the process again'

Millwall are back at the process of trying to win the FA Cup? Are they going to be really awkward and demand a replay two years later?

threesixty 12:18 Wed Mar 20
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My guess is that a "no deal" will quickly focus the UK governments mind as to what is really important.

We might as well just do that and see how quickly everyone retreats from their position.

My bet for the last 2 yrs has been that even in the event of a no deal, the damage done to the EU economy in the short term will be a lot easier to handle than from the UK's side.

I'd give it a few months before the UK seeks to do an emergency deal to get through the shit show and rejoins the custom union / single market in some form or fashion. Pretty much May's present deal in all but name.

I'm just guessing what might happen. I still feel that the most sensible thing to do is to put it to the public again or just withdraw A50 and spend 5yrs or so adjusting our economy to actually be self sufficient enough to leave the EU properly (if voters still want that).

I mean if the Eurostar crap I had to deal with coming back to the UK was anything to go by I dont think the UK could handle that level of disruption across the board for more than a few months without looking for an emergency deal.

But this is just a guess.. I have no idea what will really happen. But there's is nothing like a real dose of reality to sharpen the minds. Lots of people are able to say alot of crap about Brexit because it hasnt happened yet. So in some ways everyones opinion is credible.

I suppose going out with no deal will put all that bullshit to bed once and for all.

"Those who can't hear must feel"

Crassus 12:15 Wed Mar 20
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I took a look at some numbers

There are 650 constituencies/mps

Of which 75/80% are Remainers, so 487/520, argueing the case that the margin of Brexit victory was too narrow to call, many insisting upon a second referendum

The Brexit margin was 3.8% on a turnout of 72.3%
70% of Tory seats and 60% of Labour seat voted for Brexit

In the GE that put them there, 97 MPs arrived with a margin of 5% or less, on a turnout of 68.7%

So, on a lower turnout and greater manifesto breach, including resigning the whip in cases, how strange that none have called for a by-election?

Rat Bastards that they are

BRANDED 12:12 Wed Mar 20
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Losers generally don’t stay lost for long. Except Millwall.

BRANDED 12:11 Wed Mar 20
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Referendum winners obvs don’t follow sports. They would know that the next day you’re back at the process again.

ChillTheKeel 12:10 Wed Mar 20
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I could easily see a 2nd ref question being 'remain vs May's shit deal'. And only an idiot would vote for a deal far worse than remaining.

If that happened then all leavers would have no choice but to boycott any such vote.

Fo the Communist 12:06 Wed Mar 20
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Don't be like that, Nursey.
How is your decisive victory going by the way? (smiley thing back at you).

Hammer and Pickle 12:01 Wed Mar 20
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Razzle

Brexit has revealed the extent to which the main parties are dependent on political marketing and the type of “feelz” consumer who falls for it.

To that extent I agree with you - yes, democracy is in crisis.

Hammer and Pickle 11:56 Wed Mar 20
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Any empiricals on Remain getting trashed?

I get the feeling this is just more “democracy is dead if we don’t get our way” nonsense.

ironsofcanada 11:51 Wed Mar 20
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Razzle 11:46 Wed Mar 20

main body?

, 11:48 Wed Mar 20
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Let’s cut to the chase and acknowledge that the choice available is the May deal or no deal. And I think that the majority of us would opt for the no deal option if given the opportunity.

Even though I’m a forty eight percenter I feel I have as much right as a Brexiter to choose the Brexit path this country takes.

Razzle 11:46 Wed Mar 20
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ironsofcanada 11:42 Wed Mar 20

First stat is that the main body of people to leave is the 65+ demographic

Nurse Ratched 11:45 Wed Mar 20
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*decisive

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