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Bullet 4:34 Sat Feb 20
EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
BBC
Britain will vote on whether to remain in the EU on Thursday 23 June, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
The prime minister made his historic announcement in Downing Street after briefing the cabinet.
He said he would be campaigning to remain in a reformed EU - and described the vote as one of the biggest decisions "in our lifetimes".
Ministers immediately divide

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Jaan Kenbrovin 1:42 Fri Aug 23
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FFS. Don't tell me that, for a second I thought by the 30's I'd be the new George Soros.

I even invested extra so that the lasers made that noise they use in films.

Nurse Ratched 1:34 Fri Aug 23
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Are those the LED laser swords?

They're bloody rubbish. And expensive. The old halogen laser swords were much better.

Jaan Kenbrovin 1:29 Fri Aug 23
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"Im talking about the big ones"

Wait, what? In preperation for the 21st century dark ages you predicted I've invested heavily in armoured horses and low carbon emission lazer swords.

Gavros 1:14 Fri Aug 23
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Im talking about the big ones. Of couse they recessions in the non military economy, just that the miltary build up glosses the numbers, as good or as bad as the data is during those periods.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 1:07 Fri Aug 23
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I can't remember too many wars that caused a recession, Gav, rather the contrary I would have thought, but other than that you are broadly correct.

Gavros 1:03 Fri Aug 23
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CBI, BRC, ONS; theyre all pretty shit and contradictary half the time. I dont quite know how we ended up with suxh a poor official stats department but its a fact that it is and on retail sales theyre shocking.

The facr of the matter is that most average people know next to nothing about the economy and so only really change behaviour when forced to, usually rising unemployment. We arent there yet but this is the best telegraphed recession out of wartime so its just a matter of months. Then it turns to the usual blame game.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 1:01 Fri Aug 23
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Nursie

No. But there were going to be recorders and the St Winfred's Girls School Choir, but they were too expensive and anyway, Ray isn't allowed within 400 yards. So he had to make do with some wind noises on a mellotron.

Nurse Ratched 12:56 Fri Aug 23
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Surf 12:45


Does it have a tambourine solo?

Darlo Debs 12:53 Fri Aug 23
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....and he also said this;


Nevertheless, the serious weakness of the August CBI survey showing the sales balance at the lowest level since December 2008 at -49% is concerning

ray winstone 12:47 Fri Aug 23
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Hang on, you might have a talent there.....

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 12:45 Fri Aug 23
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Seabirds produce guano, mate. It's still shite.

***strums bland guitar chord and plays weedy keyboard part and sings***

Oh it's really bad
the poor people,
the trees, the trees

ray winstone 12:42 Fri Aug 23
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Surf, I’d rather be creative and produce something than sit on here day after day typing laborious shite.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 12:39 Fri Aug 23
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Darlo Debs 12:26 Fri Aug 23

'It was an economists opinion, just that.'

No. It wasn't an opinion, it was a statement of fact. Which part of this is an opinion?:

'Admittedly, actual retail sales have recently tended to be stronger than indicated by ths CBI’s survey and latest actual data from the ONS show retail sales held up pretty well in July.'

'Any article is going.to.strike a balance with alternative views.'

It isn't an alternate view, it's a statement of fact. The economist offers no opinion whatsoever.

'Does not make that opinion any more valid than the figures quoted, nor does it make me wrong in using the article as you say'

Yes it does. You were specifically disputing New Jersey's quoting of the Retail Sales figures. This survey does nothing, and doesn't even claim to do, other than give an indication of what Retail Sales MIGHT be. In fact, as anyone who knows anything about it will attest, it's often just a reflection on what retailers think the weather might be like in the next couple of weeks. Incidentally, to the average retail chief, where do you think filling in this CBI survey ranks in relation to, say, taking his or her morning dump?

'its not good news and therefore i was totally right in using it to suggest some balance to.the idea that all.is ideal.'

That isn't what you did. You used a figure you had no understanding of it to contradict New Jersey. Since then, you have first protested several times that you are right and this actual is the retail sales figures and have now squirmed over to 'I was just trying to show the other side'.

More lies.

Darlo Debs 12:37 Fri Aug 23
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White Pony that would be European Union i'd be disturbed by.

White Pony 12:26 Fri Aug 23
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If nowt else I admire Boris's approach to this. Certainly less crushingly hopeless than May.

Still not sure what his solution is to the Irish border and I'm not sure he is either.

I do reckon Merkel has the hots for him though.

Darlo Debs 12:26 Fri Aug 23
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It was an economists opinion, just that. Any article is going.to.strike a balance with alternative views. Does not make that opinion any more valid than the figures quoted, nor does it make me wrong in using the article as you say its not good news and therefore i was totally right in using it to suggest some balance to.the idea that all.is ideal.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 12:22 Fri Aug 23
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You should try listening to your own music, mate.

ray winstone 12:20 Fri Aug 23
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Surf, fuck me you’re boring.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 12:14 Fri Aug 23
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Darlo Debs 11:09 Thu Aug 22

Oh dear...

'What don't you understand about 2 articles clearly imdicating much lower sales apart ftom.in one sector?'

Unlike you, I understood both the articles completely. So completely that I could identify immediately the misleading nature of the headline and the article. Unlike you, I read the second piece to the very end, where an economist the Indie interviewed entirely contradicted their whole article. Having had this explained to you several times, patiently and without any form of abuse, for you to continue to claim you were right is, of course, a lie.

'Think its you having trouble accepting that all.might not be as rosy as you want to believe and all this squirming is your way of showing it.'

I have never suggested that this survey from the CBI was good news (though it is VERY unreliable as the article you linked to confirmed), merely that it wasn't as you claimed, the Retail Sales numbers and thus it was entirely wrong of you to use it to contradict New Jersey's factually correct statement. Nor have I remotely squirmed, having been consistent and correct in everything I posted. For you to suggest the above is, of course, a lie.

'We can all see that but its fun watching your reactionary right wing self try to discredit it'

I'm disappointed that you missed out lickspittle of the capitalist running dogs, but I guess you can't use every cliche when demonstrating your prejudice..

'You are the Trump.of WHO'

I presume that this is an insult - which makes it a bit rich for you to be complaining when other people insult you. Which I don't think anyone did.

'Anything challenging your version of reality' is just fake news eh?'

In the light of your persistent refusal to acknowledge the actual facts in this discussion that you don't like, the hypocrisy of this statement, is breath-taking.

ironsofcanada 12:14 Fri Aug 23
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Darlo Debs 12:06 Fri Aug 23

Probably too late for me to get into that.

I would just say there are bits and posters on WHO that change my view on stuff and there pearls in there at times.

It is work getting at them most of the time.

But this is an important subject, worth some time, energy and an at least not completely closed mind.

Darlo Debs 12:06 Fri Aug 23
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i don't think.my point was lacking

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