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Bullet 4:34 Sat Feb 20
EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
BBC
Britain will vote on whether to remain in the EU on Thursday 23 June, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
The prime minister made his historic announcement in Downing Street after briefing the cabinet.
He said he would be campaigning to remain in a reformed EU - and described the vote as one of the biggest decisions "in our lifetimes".
Ministers immediately divide

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Mike Oxsaw 5:29 Mon Jun 17
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ChillTheKeel 4:37 Mon Jun 17

So, who, exactly is going to create this chaos? You don't know, do you?

If any remainer knew what and where the problems are going to come from, they'd put up an irrefutable list, but they haven't because all these "problems" are figments of their imagination. Scares the shit out of them, so they need everybody else to feel scared, too, so they don't feel a complete arse.

And as for not affecting me?

A few less Eastern European types in Belvedere would mean that my future appointments at my local doctor would consistently be less than a week from the time I make it, as opposed to the two weeks it is now.

It certainly won't adversely affect you though, because absolutely NOTHING is going to happen.

Gavros 4:45 Mon Jun 17
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13 Brentford Rd 4:38 Mon Jun 17
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To try to leave and then not requires MV4, and during MV4 another amendment forcing the PM to ask for an extension in the event that the WA isnt passed in time would be put through.

13 Brentford Rd 4:43 Mon Jun 17
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Except I just said I couldn't see too much wrong with May's deal except the backstop and that I have never actually advocated leaving without a deal, just that whether people like it or not the default position currently is that on 31st October leave without a deal, dimwit.

Gavros 4:40 Mon Jun 17
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"What, exactly is it in "No Deal" that scares the shit out of snowflakes?"

Perhaps all that work that's gone into it that shows that the country starts to literally stave within a couple of days?

This "lets no deal and then negotiate" idea is the most spastic argument ever (no suprise then that intellectual heavyweights Oxsaw, Wullie and Brenty are for it). the EU have already said that any post Brexit negotiation would be predicated on the UK paying its debt and agreeing to the backstop, in other words, agreeing to the things you currently disagree with and want to get changed. It'd put the country through a massive shock with nothing to show for it.

13 Brentford Rd 4:38 Mon Jun 17
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Not necessarily, we might get to a situation where despite the PMs best efforts no deal is agreed, they don't have to state it as a preferred option and it may not be their preferred option, but it might end up being the only option.
Even if a vote of no confidence is tabled you are then expecting Tory MPs and enought Brexit MPs to vote against their own interests and beliefs like turkeys voting for Xmas

ChillTheKeel 4:37 Mon Jun 17
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What, exactly is it in "No Deal" that scares the shit out of snowflakes?

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So easy to be causal about it when you're not affected, isn't it johnny?

I'm not scared of ND, it'll be chaos but it'll ensure the demolition of the Tories for a generation - hence why the next PM whoever he may be, won't do it.

Mike Oxsaw 4:34 Mon Jun 17
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What, exactly is it in "No Deal" that scares the shit out of snowflakes?

All it means is that putting a deal together starts after, not before we leave.

Who is it that will cause this tsunami of fuckeries at that point? I think they should all be outed and forced to explain why.

Hammer and Pickle 4:28 Mon Jun 17
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When you have worked out the difference between what you want to hear from a politician based on your expectations and reality, you will realise the new PM’s first task will be to prevent no deal.

So prepare yourself to demonstrate how betrayed and frustrated you are, Brentz.

Gavros 4:24 Mon Jun 17
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Youre talking shit brenty son. In the event that a PM declared that he was definitely going for no deal the government would be brought down by MPs. If the same PM led the party into the resulting GE on a no deal ticket he'd get smashed. The resulting coalition of Lib Dems, labour and nationalists would then retract A50 and set up some sort of 'people's conference' on what to do next.

13 Brentford Rd 4:20 Mon Jun 17
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Doesn't change the fact that as things stand we leave the EU on the 31st Oct with no deal.
About time people and MPs woke up the reality. The EU earned us not waste anymore time after the 2nd extension was granted and all that's happened since is a spring recess in Parliament followed by another Tory leadership context which will be followed by a summer recess.

Gavros 4:07 Mon Jun 17
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The backstop already has within it a "best efforts" pledge on the part of both the EU and UK to find an alternative to the customs union....however, technology cannot be exchanged for phyto/sanitary checks should UK food and agri regulations change, so in truth there will always be something of a sea border between NI and rUK.

13 Brentford Rd 3:57 Mon Jun 17
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The backstop can negotiated do that as soon as the technology is available or suitable it would end.

As I said unless the EU & MPs agree a deal or an extension is sought and granted the default scenario is still that we leave with no deal on 31st Oct whether you & the HOC like it or not.

Gavros 3:46 Mon Jun 17
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If you want a deal the backstop stays, that's all there is to it.

The alternative is no brexit at all, because no deal is so bad that it would pretty much immediately destroy any party that saw it through. plus of course parliament will not allow it.


Still, feel free to keep on saying its the only way to deliver brexit. As i said your actions are making no brexit more likely by the day.

13 Brentford Rd 3:40 Mon Jun 17
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Oops predicts text.

*Couldn't see anything wrong with May's deal except the backstop. I'm not a no deal zealot but find it funny that the Remain MPs and establishment have shot themselves in the foot with their blatant attempts to stop Brexit and a no deal exit*

13 Brentford Rd 3:37 Mon Jun 17
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I couldn't see slithering with May's deal except the backstop, not a no deal zealot but find it funny that the Remain MPs and establishment have shot themselves in the foot either blatant attempts to stop Brexit.

Gavros 3:33 Mon Jun 17
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I do really like you no deal types. Youre the key to stopping Brexit altogether.

13 Brentford Rd 3:13 Mon Jun 17
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Quite simple really...Technically & legally if no deal is agreed by Oct 31st and no extension sought or granted we would crash out without a deal.

So all any new PM has to do if they are happy to leave without a deal is let the clock wind down, they can try renegotiating May's deal or another deal but if MPs keep rejecting deals they will shoot themselves in the foot and ensure we leave without a deal.
How ironic & deserved!

COOL HAND LUKE 3:06 Mon Jun 17
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Spandex

Leaving to WTO / No Deal could be put through now by the PM / Cabinet without going through the HoC again. Or indeed, we could prorogue and just do it anyway.

There is a clear path to just leaving now, once we have a Brexiteer PM and accompanying Cabinet. Hence all the squealing and gnashing of teeth going on stage left.

Potentially, if enough back it, Ken Clarke, Grieve and Co could tie up with Labour and call a vote of no confidence in the new government, which, if passed, could lead to a General Election. This would need considerable Tory MP backing to fly, and many Tory MPs know exactly what awaits them if that happens, so it's all sabre rattling.

The bit we are watching closely right now is it would appear that the Tories are allowing 'new members' to join, on the understanding the 'three month rule' on internal voting will be waived. This is an illegal attempt to boost remainer numbers in the membership, in the hope that Hunt (or the toxic little rat, Stewart) can make the final two, and all the extra 'illegals' will then vote him through ahead of Boris. Disgraceful - do we have anyone who can be trusted at present???

13 Brentford Rd 2:58 Mon Jun 17
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Side!

Side of Ham 2:18 Mon Jun 17
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Exactly Spandex, our politicians are only after their own gain whether it be their party to gain power or a step up for themselves.

It's why politics is fucked in this country and only mongs have a bias towards any of the parties and the public are fucking sick of it that nothing gets sorted between ALL of them to make this country work, they only ever assist to feather their own nest.

Spandex Sidney 1:54 Mon Jun 17
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Really? I can't see that happening, that would not be good for the country as a whole.

That said, when did politicians ever worry about the good of the country??

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