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Bullet 4:34 Sat Feb 20
EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
BBC
Britain will vote on whether to remain in the EU on Thursday 23 June, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
The prime minister made his historic announcement in Downing Street after briefing the cabinet.
He said he would be campaigning to remain in a reformed EU - and described the vote as one of the biggest decisions "in our lifetimes".
Ministers immediately divide

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riosleftsock 1:42 Mon May 20
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Its funny, I'd almost forgotten about the BNP. What a nasty bunch of fuckers many of them were. Its also worth remembering them, for those occasions when so many these days are labelled as far or extreme right.

Also interesting that the beginning of the end of Nick Griffin was his appearance on QT where he was screamed down as a liar and worse for the claims he made.

Nick Griffin was/is an odious bloke with political beliefs akin to Mussolini. His arguments are very weak and easy to counter.

Its ironic that he was finished off for saying something that was actually true.

, 1:40 Mon May 20
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What there is evidence of is the electorate getting more adept at voting such that they don’t necessarily vote consistently for one party but across old fashioned party lines depending on whether the poll is for local councils or Westminster.

Darby_ 1:35 Mon May 20
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There’s no evidence that Labour will be wiped out. It’s just wishful thinking. There will be some leakage to the Lib Dems and Greens but I don’t think most Labour supporters feel strongly enough about the issue to abandon the party in the numbers that Brexit Party supporters have abandoned the Tories.

Gavros 1:35 Mon May 20
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dont chat shit, knobhead.

Eerie Descent 1:33 Mon May 20
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From BNP to the Lib Dems in the space of 5 years.

You've had quite the turnaround in a relative short space of time, Gav.

, 1:31 Mon May 20
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Why don’t people wake up to the reality that the Westminster FPP system is not fit for purpose insofar as it brings a HoC with a party in power that more of the electorate have voted against than for.

The government does not represent the view of the majority of people. In our present system there is no safety valve as such that a PR system would enable. How come for example that UKIP can barely win a seat but poll twice as many votes as a party sending more than 50 MPs to Westminster as has happened in the past?

Gavros 1:28 Mon May 20
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Fucks sake, why did you tell him....

Block 1:26 Mon May 20
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Ag!

*slaps self in face*

Dwight Van Mann 1:24 Mon May 20
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Block 12:49 Mon May 20


"I assume the pro remain are voting the Lib Dems on Friday?"


be funny if they do - the vote is on Thursday

riosleftsock 1:04 Mon May 20
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I think Gavros is right.

I reckon the Libdems will pick up a lot of remain votes as Labour party has lost trust on this. They have made a critical error by relying on the red rosette on a donkey factor, only the millennials (muh free stuff) and momentum will support them.

In the metropols, the labour vote will go to libdem or green. It won't actually win them that many seats though, they just pile up votes in the seats they would probably win anyway.

Outside the big cities, the remain vote doesn't have much of a home, so they may suffer some voter apathy, but again Greens and LDs will pick up some.

The leave voters, who would normally vote tory or labour are all going to BP I reckon, with quite a few disaffected UKIP voters joining them.

As it stands, I reckon BP will win the Euro elections, with LDs second. Tories could rank 4th or 5th and not even gain a seat.

In the GE, its much harder to call as BP/UKIP will possibly secure around 25-30% and be neck and neck with labour. The problem is going to be whether either side can find a willing coalition party.

Normally you'd expect the SNP to side with Labour, but I can't see Labour agreeing to pay their price.

So, it would be down to BP to join forces with a reduced and reformed Tory party with DUP and some other independent support.

Block 1:03 Mon May 20
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A decent point was made though this morning on LBC, if there's too many parties it would be absolute carnage, where do you draw the line?

I agree the 2 Party system is clearly floored though.

Gavros 12:56 Mon May 20
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hmm i dont know about that. I think the old two party thing is well and truly done now.

Block 12:55 Mon May 20
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Comical.

Shame they won't get any where near the action when an GE is announced.

Gavros 12:53 Mon May 20
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I like many of my metropolitan elite chums will be voting Lib Dem, yes, while at the same time sneering at you unwashed provincials.

riosleftsock 12:53 Mon May 20
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I can't get my head round some of the parties approach.

Some are straight forward;

Leavers vote for
Brexit Party
UKIP
D&V etc minor parties and independents

Remainers vote for
Lib Dems
Green
Change UK revolving name

Labour - JC is appealling for leave and remain voters to vote labour

Tories - Vote for the worst deal ever concocted, that at best, has a public support of under 10%.

I think Labour and Tories will get wiped out.

Expect Libdems and BP to mop up.

Block 12:49 Mon May 20
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I assume the pro remain are voting the Lib Dems on Friday?

Crassus 12:35 Mon May 20
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Hasn’t the silly tart got anything more productive to do?

Like the ironing

Gavros 12:28 Mon May 20
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In an interview on the Today programme this morning Heidi Allen, the party’s interim leader, hinted that further change could be coming. Asked about claims that she could defect to the Liberal Democrats, she ruled that out. But then she said:

Will I stand again in South Cambridgeshire, my constituency, as Change UK? Whatever format, let’s hope we know, depends when the new general election comes, later rather than sooner. If we’ve managed to bring together other MPs from the House of Commons, the format might be slightly different. But, whatever the brand new world party looks like, at that point at the general election in South Cambridgeshire, absolutely, I’m not going back to the Conservatives.

When why she was suggesting Change UK could change its name again, Allen replied:

Because I want us to get bigger. I want us to get more successful, I want us to have more MPs, more opportunities, to change politics in this country ...

I see a modern world of coalition, where it isn’t just about two big parties. I think the whole way that parliament operates at Westminster needs a damn good shake-up, and I want to be part of that.

Hermit Road 12:28 Mon May 20
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Carl Benjamin is a complete imbecile. Yep he’s right about a couple of things but so is everyone else on the planet. Even Juncker looks like a bit of a laugh when he’s pissed. Not that you’d want to talk to him at a wedding but you’d be happy to see him there making a cunt of himself while the band’s playing.

Dwight Van Mann 12:28 Mon May 20
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Hermit Road 11:04 Sun May 19

"The scandal is developing, look at what this poor chap found in his envelope."

https://mobile.twitter.com/Balderdaesh/status/1130185473702486016

you'd think living in Hackney that Gavros would've picked up some ethnic/urban dance moves.

Kaiser Zoso 12:24 Mon May 20
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That’s about as much change as those divs are capable of imagining

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