Bullet 4:34 Sat Feb 20
EU Referendum 23rd June 2016 declares Cameron
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BBC
Britain will vote on whether to remain in the EU on Thursday 23 June, Prime Minister David Cameron has said.
The prime minister made his historic announcement in Downing Street after briefing the cabinet.
He said he would be campaigning to remain in a reformed EU - and described the vote as one of the biggest decisions "in our lifetimes".
Ministers immediately divide
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Hammer and Pickle
3:59 Thu Aug 22
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You clearly wouldn’t be the target segment.
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Takashi Miike
3:54 Thu Aug 22
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complete mental fuckwit
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Hammer and Pickle
3:51 Thu Aug 22
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Thing is, if you look at Schengen, the single currency and fiscal union as policies and you compare them to Brexit, especially of the bad kind, there actually is a lot of good solid benefit there in terms of growth, jobs and stability there to campaign on.
All you need is an electorate not too brainwashed to consider their own real needs to talk to.
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Mike Oxsaw
3:46 Thu Aug 22
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ironsofcanada 3:40 Thu Aug 22
Some posters are forced (FORCED) to open threads like these.
It's NOT their fault, its...it's...fuck it! It's NOT their failt - OK???
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ironsofcanada
3:40 Thu Aug 22
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Don Ravioli 3:36 Thu Aug 22
Don, mate
That's what I think about cricket, I don't waste my time opening the thread, let alone posting on it.
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Willtell
3:40 Thu Aug 22
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Gavros & Pickled
Put up some evidence for what are only your opinions please?
You know. Something that shows you aren't talking completely out of your arses for the last 3 years....anything?
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Mike Oxsaw
3:37 Thu Aug 22
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..." the costs of non-participation in that trading bloc are astronomically higher for the electorate in general."
I'm one of those general electorate and the costs are not higher - astronomically or otherwise - for me.
I'd be keen to talk to another member of the electorate for whom they were though. Care to find me one?
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Don Ravioli
3:36 Thu Aug 22
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Hopefully this shit gets locked on the 1st nov.
Proper boring.
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ironsofcanada
3:34 Thu Aug 22
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Gavros 3:29 Thu Aug 22
So stop complaining now and get your campaign going to rejoin. It can't be much harder than funding a boat.
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Gavros
3:29 Thu Aug 22
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"The Rejoin campaign would have to face up to campaigning for the introduction in the UK of Schengen, joining the euro and ditching sterling, and the promise of ever closer political union once we’ve rejoined, on less favourable financial terms, and maybe paying for an EU army"
All complete and utter bollocks.
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Gavros
3:29 Thu Aug 22
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"The Rejoin campaign would have to face up to campaigning for the introduction in the UK of Schengen, joining the euro and ditching sterling, and the promise of ever closer political union once we’ve rejoined, on less favourable financial terms, and maybe paying for an EU army"
All compmete and utter bollocks.
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Hammer and Pickle
3:24 Thu Aug 22
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What is deeply unfair to the electorate is talking bullshit about contributions to the EU trading bloc without explaining that the costs of non-participation in that trading bloc are astronomically higher for the electorate in general.
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Kaiser Zoso
3:21 Thu Aug 22
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The Rejoin campaign would have to face up to campaigning for the introduction in the UK of Schengen, joining the euro and ditching sterling, and the promise of ever closer political union once we’ve rejoined, on less favourable financial terms, and maybe paying for an EU army.
Good fucking luck with that coma.
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Block
3:10 Thu Aug 22
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I see we've also got an pre arranged trade deal with South Korea, which could be worth up to £8 billion.
No doubt remainers will find a reason to have a moan.
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Willtell
3:06 Thu Aug 22
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FMOB but we haven't left yet and Comma is postulating on how to rejoin!
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Jaan Kenbrovin
2:58 Thu Aug 22
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‘To me being in the EU we are in a partnership of equals. With the USA the UK be a micro partner.’
* Looks at membership contributions to EU budget *
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2:54 Thu Aug 22
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Constitutionally we do not need a referendum mandate to seek to rejoin the EU. Any UK government can try to put a Bill to that effect through the House.
To do that under our Westminster FPP system though would be hugely unfair to the electorate seeing as most UK governments these days are elected to total power with just 25% of the electorate giving their blessing. So to rejoin the EU it would require another referendum. In the light of experience I think the electorate would want to vote too on a thrashed out deal that is done and dusted so that we know the precise terms and are able to make a properly informed decision.
And would the EU accept us back in on the terms that we gave up which included important opt outs? To me the answer is no.
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Mike Oxsaw
2:49 Thu Aug 22
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Maybe we could adopt a sidestop? A frontstop? A topstop or bottomstop (Ooo-err, missus).
If they don't work, how about a backstep? No? Sidestep? A frontstep? A topstep or bottomstep No, no and thrice no?
How about a Goose-step then. Popular once on the continent, I hear.
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Willtell
2:48 Thu Aug 22
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I just watched Boris being welcomed by Macron in Paris on the BBC news. Unbelievably, Macron started the negotiations in front of the press on the steps of wherever they were in Paris. He stated what couldn't be changed and really came across as a weak man trying hard to be tough. He is French....
Boris was quite forthright and impressive in response once again re-stating that Britain wants to do a deal and remain as friends, He stated some of the joint Anglo-French projects but that the Irish backstop was unacceptable and Britain will leave on 31st October with or without a deal.
What I could never understand about this ridiculous nonsense about the backstop is that without a deal, Ireland will still have NO HARD BORDER as promised in the GFA so what is the whole point?
Oh yes it was a way of fooling remainer Mrs May.into thinking she had a good deal while giving all the money and control to the EU..
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Block
2:46 Thu Aug 22
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Westside 1:58 Thu Aug 22
The backstop was the issue, Westside.
Which, according to Merkel could be changed and open to suggestion. The only downside was there wasn't a clear idea of how to change it other than getting rid altogether.
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Mike Oxsaw
2:45 Thu Aug 22
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Given that it's NATO - and only NATO - that has kept the peace in Europe, that's a pretty fit state in which to be.
The EU are simply parasiting that position.
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