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Gavros 8:33 Tue Jan 9
Fusion GPS testimony on Trump released -.Sends WHO into meltdown
This looks big.....there' an FBI informer within Trump's inner circle...

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Hammer and Pickle 9:48 Sun Apr 5
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Yeah yeah yeah

You say you gave me a kicking but who's buying the $trillions of public debt the Fed is racking up?

The Kitchen's can practically name their price and everyone else will follow suit as it is them who have the production capacity and the supply chains as the world starts to emerge from lockdown with the US not even approaching the peak of its curve.

Everyone can tell this president and his cabal have totally lost the plot. The US that will eventually re-emerge from this will have far stronger federal institutions and a much less consumerist and self-centred civil society if it is to emerge at all. Public healthcare, social housing programmes, sustainable energy use, production and infrastructure is the way forward, not this bullshit trash consumerism and disaster capitalism where the funds and banks call the shots.

Nutsin 7:47 Sun Apr 5
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You finally brave enough to show up again after the kicking I gave you last time.

Hows China's minimum wage policy to short the dollar going you fucking spaz!

Hammer and Pickle 7:24 Sun Apr 5
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It’s xenophobic, you colossal embarrassment to all life on the planet.

Nutsin 5:32 Sun Apr 5
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So mong,

I have to ask was Trumps travel ban a sign of him being slow to act?

Was it Xenaphobic?

Was it the wrong thing to do?

Yes or no answers please.

Capitol Man 5:31 Sun Apr 5
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Wow - simple question and you seem to think the response is to babble on with whatever nonsense you can cut and paste.

You really do want to become an orange sphincter yourself like your man crush. You want to be with him and be him.

“If it were me — in fact, I might do it anyway. I may take it, okay? I may take it,” he said. “And I’ll have to ask my doctors about that, but I may take it.”

Taking an anti-viral before you have the virus - what could go wrong. Imagine you’re trying to secure a supply right now NoNuts.

Nutsin 5:24 Sun Apr 5
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seeing as within the Gov't departments there are people out to sabotage Trumps every move it unfortunately is a necessary evil.

Perhaps if you liberals would except defeat and let the duly elected Gov't govern he wouldn't have to drain the swamp.

So it's yet another example of the Dems being the problem. From day 1 they have been out to get Trump and even when Trump was issuing the Chinese travel ban the Dems were impeaching him.
The people that lied were the Chinese.

Trump was proven correct to issue the Chinese travel ban when he did, the Dems made a huge outcry at the time, Pelosi threatened an investigation.
Trump is criticized for being positive about hydroxychloroquine turns out it's gaining a lot of traction from Dr.s and results are consistantly encouraging from several countries that are using it. Although at the time the Dems and the fake news went ballistic over it.
Right to try is a new law thanks to Trump, has saved many lives.

Even when Trump announced the military hospital ships were gonna be put to use in New York and cali the fake news criticized him for giving false hope as it would take a long time for the ships to arrive, ships got there in about a week.

There are so many examples of the dems and the fake news being wrong about everything, and are blatantly out to simply trash Trump even though they have no idea what they are talking about, that you have to have your head up your ars to miss it.

Capitol Man 5:06 Sun Apr 5
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Shit distractions btw. Is that was Fox is telling you is important tonight?

Capitol Man 5:05 Sun Apr 5
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So was it a good decision to dismantle the team, ignore the planning, and lie?

Simple fucking question.

Ah-mazing news. Trump lied, tends of thousands died.

Nutsin 5:00 Sun Apr 5
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You should direct some of that anger at Cuomo the mayor of New York cos he didn't see this coming either.

If he had he would have bought the 16000 ventilators in 2015 that he was offered.

Capitol Man 4:50 Sun Apr 5
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So NoNuts. Was it a good decision to dismantle the nsc infrastructure put in place specifically to responses to a pandemic in 2018?

Was it a good idea to ignore all the pandemic response planning that was done and instead go out and lie to everyone about the threat and the seriousness of the virus?

I mean you know cutting the team was a move specifically designed to make the nsc more loyal to your orange sphincter right? That’s draining the swamp right. Dismantling the worthless Washington bureaucrats living large off your hard earned tax dollars.

Trump views it as his personal nsc and not the nation’s? Just like with the AG.

How many people need to die because cunts like you are too stupid to see through the fat orange cunt? Ten thousands, hundred thousands, millions? Will you still be making excuses and changing the subject then?

Nutsin 4:48 Sun Apr 5
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COVID-19: Latest updates and resources
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Here’s How COVID-19 Compares to Past Outbreaks
Written by Julia Ries on March 12, 2020 - Fact checked by Michael Crescione New
The 1918 flu pandemic led to hundreds of thousands of deaths in the U.S. Getty Images
SARS, the 1918 flu pandemic, and Ebola have all helped public health officials prepare for major outbreaks.
Each major outbreak is different though, and experts have a hard time predicting how they will end.
The fallout of each disease largely depends on other circumstances — when we catch it, how contagious and fatal it is, how hygienic people are, and how quickly a vaccine or cure becomes available.
All data and statistics are based on publicly available data at the time of publication. Some information may be out of date. Visit our coronavirus hub and follow our live updates page for the most recent information on the COVID-19 outbreak.

With new cases of the new coronavirus disease, COVID-19, growing day by day, it’s natural to compare the new disease to other outbreaks in recent history.

There was the 1918 influenza, for example, that infected nearly a thirdTrusted Source of the world’s population before it fizzled out.

Then came other threatening viruses that appeared out of nowhere: severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), the H1N1 influenza in 2009, and Ebola.

Eventually, we got a handle on all of them.

But the fallout of each disease largely depends on other circumstances — when we catch it, how contagious and fatal it is, how hygienic people are, and how quickly a vaccine or cure becomes available.

The death rate isn’t the only determining factor regarding how devastating and deadly a pandemic will be, according to Dr. Christine Kreuder Johnson, a UC Davis professor of epidemiology and ecosystem health and researcher on USAID’s Emerging Pandemic Threats PREDICT project.

Here, we’ll take a look at how COVID-19 stacks up to other major outbreaks so far:

1918 influenza
The 1918 Spanish flu epidemic was the deadliest flu season we know of, infecting about one-third of the world’s population.

“The 1918 pandemic strain of influenza was new and novel for most people under the age of 40 or 50, but that’s where the death rate really was high — that’s different than the usual flu,” said Dr. Mark Schleiss, a pediatric infectious disease specialist with the University of Minnesota.

Back then, scientists didn’t know viruses caused disease, and we didn’t yet have a vaccine or antivirals to help prevent or treat influenza, nor did we have antibiotics to treat secondary bacterial infections.

Life was also very different back then — for one, we were in the middle of a war and soldiers carried the virus with them all over the world. People were also living in very crowded conditions and had extremely poor hygiene — this helped the disease build and build, according to Johnson.

Key symptoms: fever, nausea, aches, diarrhea
First detection: March 1918
Global cases: 500 million
Global deaths: over 50 million (675,000 in the United States); the death rate was around 2 percent
Transmission: spread through respiratory droplets
Most affected groups: otherwise healthy adults ages 20 to 40
Treatments available: none; antibiotics or antivirals did not yet exist
Vaccines available: none
End of pandemic: summer 1919; mostly due to deaths and higher immunity levels
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Seasonal flu
The flu strikes every year, but no two seasons are exactly the same.

Because strains mutate each year, it can be hard to predict what will hit. Unlike COVID-19, we have effective vaccines and antiviral medications that can help prevent and reduce the severity of the flu.

Additionally, many people have residual immunity to the flu from years past, as our bodies have seen the flu before.

We don’t have any immunity to COVID-19, and it appears to be more contagious and fatal than the flu so far, but this could very well change as we learn more.

Key symptoms: fever, cough, sore throat, fatigue
Global cases annually: 9 percentTrusted Source of the population, or about 1 billion infections (up to 5 million of which are severe)
Global deaths annually: between 291,000 to 646,000Trusted Source; death rate around 0.1 percent
Transmission: spreads through respiratory droplets; each diagnosed person passes it to 1.3 persons
Most affected groups: older adults and people with compromised immune systems
Treatment available: antiviral medications (Tamiflu, Relenza, Rapivab, Xofluza) to reduce duration and severity of flu
Vaccines available: there are many vaccine optionsTrusted Source available that provide immunity against multiple strains of influenza

2002–2004 severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS)
SARS is another type of coronavirus that came out of China and spread quickly through respiratory droplets. Though the SARS death rate was higher than COVID-19, COVID-19 has already claimed more lives.

According to Johnson, contact tracingTrusted Source — or monitoring people in close contact with those who contracted it — was really effective with SARS, largely because symptoms were severe and therefore easier to identify and contain.

In addition, Schleiss said the SARS virus didn’t have the “fitness to persist in the human population,” which eventually led to its demise.

Schleiss added this doesn’t seem to be the case with COVID-19, which seems to be able to spread and thrive in the human body.

Overall, though SARS’ death rate was higher, COVID-19 has led to “more fatalities, more economic repercussions, more social repercussions than we [had] with SARS,” Johnson said.

Key symptoms: fever, respiratory symptoms, cough, malaise
First detection: November 2002 in Guangdong province of China
Global cases: 8,098 casesTrusted Source across 29 countries; 8 U.S. cases
Global deaths: 774; 15 percent mortality rate; no U.S. deathsTrusted Source
Transmission: spread through respiratory droplets and contaminated surfaces
Most affected groups: patients 60 and older had a 55 percent higher death rate
Treatment available: no treatment or cure, but antiviral medications and steroids worked for some people
Vaccine available: a vaccine was ready around the time the pandemic was already ending
End of pandemic: July 2003Trusted Source
2009 (H1N1) flu pandemic
Back in 2009, a new type of flu — an H1N1 strain — popped up and people panicked because we didn’t have a vaccine and the novel strain was spreading fast.

Like COVID-19, there was no immunity at the start of the outbreak. We did have antivirals to facilitate recovery, and by the end of 2009, we had a vaccine which — combined with higher levels of immunity — would provide protection in future flu seasons.

Still, it claimed over 12,000 lives in the United States.

Key symptoms: fever, chills, cough, body aches
First detection: January 2009 in Mexico; April 2009Trusted Source in United States
Global cases: about 24 percent of global population; 60.8 million U.S. cases
Global deaths: over 284,000; 12,469 in the United States; death rate was .02 percent
Most affected groups: children had the highest rates; 47 percentTrusted Source of children between 5 and 19 developed symptoms compared to 11 percent of people ages 65 and up
Treatment available: antiviralsTrusted Source (oseltamivir and zanamivir); most people recovered without complications
Vaccine available: H1N1 vaccine research started April 2009 and a vaccine became available December 2009
End of pandemic: August 2010

2014–2016 Ebola
Ebola was extremely deadly, killing up to 50 percent of those who got sick. But because it predominantly spread through bodily fluids like sweat and blood during the last stages of the disease, it wasn’t as contagious as COVID-19.

Plus, because symptoms were so severe, health officials were able to quickly identify those who’d been in contact with people who had it and isolate them.

“You don’t have relatively healthy people with the [Ebola] virus walking around shedding the virus — going on the bus, going shopping, going to work — like we do with this,” Johnson said.

Key symptoms: fever, aches and pains, weakness, diarrhea, vomiting
First detection: first patient identified December 2013 in Guinea; first outbreak March 2014Trusted Source
Global cases: 28,652 casesTrusted Source across 10 countries
Global deaths: 11,325 deaths; death rate was about 50 percentTrusted Source
Transmission: spread through bodily fluids (blood, sweat, feces) and close contact; most contagious toward end of disease
Most affected groups: 20 percentTrusted Source of all cases occurred in children
Treatment available: none; supportive care was provided, including IV fluids and oral rehydration
Vaccines available: none
End of outbreak: March 2016Trusted Source
Novel coronavirus (COVID-19)
Early evidence shows COVID-19 may be more contagious than the flu.

And some early reports say COVID-19 may have a higher death rate than the seasonal flu. But we may soon find out it’s less deadly than initial reports since so many people with COVID-19 have mild symptoms or are asymptomatic and therefore don’t see a doctor and are largely unaccounted for.

“The death rate really is something we just have to take with a grain of salt until we have enough information,” Johnson said. This is a rapidly evolving situation, and numbers and estimates are likely to change as we learn more.

Key symptoms: cough, fever, shortness of breath; 80 percent of cases are mild
First detection: December 2019 in Wuhan, China
Global cases to date: Over 127,000 cases
Global deaths to date: Over 4,700; the global death rate is estimated at 3.4 percentTrusted Source, but certain areas are seeing a death rate of just 0.4 percent
Transmission: spreads through respiratory droplets along with feces and other bodily secretions; each person passes it to 2.2 others which will likely fall as containment and quarantine efforts increase
Most affected groups: adults over 65 with underlying health conditions; children seem to be spared and are experiencing milder symptoms (in China, children account for just 2.4 percent of cases)
Treatments available: none; supportive care is provided, pain relievers and fever reducers can alleviate symptoms, and antibiotics can help treat secondary bacterial pneumonia and antivirals used with other viruses are being administered to help with recovery
Vaccines available: none yet; a vaccine will likely be ready in about one year
So, when will things calm down with COVID-19?
According to Schleiss, it’s going to take herd immunity — which basically blocks out the virus when a large chunk of the population is immune from already being sick — along with an effective vaccine.

“We really, really need a vaccine,” he said, adding that because the Food and Drug Administration will need to prove a vaccine is safe, it could take a year or two — best case scenario.

We also have a lot more we need to learn: the prevalence of the infection along with how you contract the virus and all the different roads of transmission.

Until then, we’re going to need to practice social distancing to help minimize the number of people who contract it, says Johnson.

We’ll need to work together to limit exposure to one another — especially with older adults and people with underlying illness who have the greatest risk of developing severe symptoms.

We don’t need to panic. Remember: The vast majority of COVID-19 cases are mild. But we do need to take action to contain the spread and protect those who are most vulnerable.

The bottom line
COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus, isn’t the first threatening disease that’s surged around the world — nor will it be the last.

There you have it Mong, your Sars playbook is not quite up to the task of Covid due to the major differences between the two.
You complained back in Jan when Trump issued the Chinese travel ban and now think you can get away with saying he didn't act quickly enough. When he was the first to act. You can't have it both ways.

Nutsin 4:25 Sun Apr 5
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Fuck me we have the fuckwit libtard piping up again.

Didn't I put you in your place yesterday. You need me to tuck you in again tonight fuckwit?

gph 3:12 Sun Apr 5
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He'll call you a libtard in a minute.

Tragedy is that Trump himself operates like a slightly more sophisticated version of Nutsin.

Capitol Man 3:05 Sun Apr 5
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Is your head so far up the orange arsehole that you don’t notice when any of this shit happens or is reported? Or like snowflake have you just developed and honed a bank of programmed responses that lets you just ignore the shit you don’t want to hear?

Capitol Man 3:04 Sun Apr 5
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Trump’s failures began years ago
When Bolton became Trump’s national security adviser in 2018, he quickly moved to disband the White House National Security Council’s Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense, which President Barack Obama set up after the 2014-2016 Ebola outbreak to lead federal coordination and preparation for disease outbreaks.

In April 2018, Bolton fired Tom Bossert, then the homeland security adviser, who, the Washington Post reported, “had called for a comprehensive biodefense strategy against pandemics and biological attacks.” Then, that May, Bolton let go the head of pandemic response, Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer, and his global health security team. The team, the Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense, was never replaced.

Tom Bossert, then the homeland security adviser, was fired by John Bolton in 2018. Bossert had called for a strategy against pandemics. Jabin Botsford/The Washington Post via Getty Images
At the time, the Trump administration and Bolton argued the cuts were needed to streamline the National Security Council.

But, according to experts, the work of a global health security team, or something like it, is crucial to responding to any disease outbreak. Since the federal government is sprawling and large, it helps to have centralized leadership in case of a crisis. That leadership could ensure all federal agencies are doing the most they can and working toward a single set of goals.

Capitol Man 2:55 Sun Apr 5
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This playbook, which was devised in 2016 in the wake of the government’s attempts to contain Ebola just years before, reportedly “also stresses the significant responsibility facing the White House to contain risks of potential pandemics, a stark contrast with the Trump administration’s delays in deploying an all-of-government response and President Donald Trump’s recent signals that he might roll back public health recommendations.”

Capitol Man 2:54 Sun Apr 5
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On Wednesday, Politico reported the details of a 69-page pandemic response playbook given to President Donald Trump’s team by the National Security Council, outlining key steps the federal government should take to coordinate a response and contain the crisis — and revealed how the White House was catastrophically late to implement the plan’s major suggestions at the start of the coronavirus pandemic.

“The Trump administration, state officials and even individual hospital workers are now racing against each other to get the necessary masks, gloves and other safety equipment to fight coronavirus — a scramble that hospitals and doctors say has come too late and left them at risk,” wrote Dan Diamond and Nahal Toolsi. “But according to a previously unrevealed White House playbook, the government should’ve begun a federal-wide effort to procure that personal protective equipment at least two months ago.”

Capitol Man 2:53 Sun Apr 5
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One of Donald Trump's most important missteps in dealing with the coronavirus outbreak happened before anyone had even heard of COVID-19. In fact, the president's first error came back in 2018.

It was two years ago when Trump ordered the shutdown of the White House National Security Council's entire global health security unit. NBC News had a good report on this recently, noting that the president's decision "to downsize the White House national security staff -- and eliminate jobs addressing global pandemics -- is likely to hamper the U.S. government's response to the coronavirus."

Nutsin 2:51 Sun Apr 5
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Mong, tell me how Obama prepared the USA for pandemics please?

Nutsin 2:49 Sun Apr 5
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So now you are blatantly lying, clear sign you lost.

I have not once claimed that Trump has saved everyone, total fucking lie.

I have said all along that Trumps Chinese travel ban, ( the one that you criticized at the time) saved lives by delaying the initial spread. I have said all along that the Chinese travel ban wasn't a panacea but it had saved lives. However the spread of the virus was inevitable.

You are the cringeworthy whiny cunt, why dont you stick to the fucking facts.
If you want to be upset with someone be upset with the Chinese, they're the slags that hid it and lied about it to the whole world.

Capitol Man 2:12 Sun Apr 5
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Nutsin 12:27 Sun Apr 5
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Not lie and downplay the seriousness. Focus on testing capacity for a start.

I’ve posted this before and here it is again.

Trump said, “the 15, within a couple of days, is going to be down to close to zero. That’s a pretty good job we’ve done.”

You for weeks were repeating the lies about the numbers and proclaiming that trump had saved everyone.

Now you want to pretend that nothing could be done. What could be done is real leadership that focuses on results not bullshit. Not trying to blame everyone else.

Fuck me you are pathetic. How can you even look in the mirror without cringing?

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