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Gavros 8:33 Tue Jan 9
Fusion GPS testimony on Trump released
This looks big.....there' an FBI informer within Trump's inner circle...

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Willtell 10:37 Wed Jan 23
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You're now experiencing why I named him Capitol Mong months ago...

ironsofcanada 9:17 Wed Jan 23
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Capitol Man 3:04 Wed Jan 23

So Capitol

Why have you not address the personal responsibility (to use your last buzz phrase) of the adults involved?
- Nathan Phillips
- The Black Hebrew Isrealites
- the media (you actual have addressed this, to be fair.
You made excuses for them straight off.

Why to do you only focus on the boys, who's behavior is considered "least egregious"?

Is it because it "reinforces your prejudices?"

Now to your words -

"A man in his 60s singing and playing a drum and a group of dozens of teenager"

This is the social media moment: with the camera facing one way with its narrow field of view (no metaphor there at all) that is what the world saw.

Now, almost the whole world has moved beyond the viral edit and sees the bigger, more real picture. It considers more of what really happened. Why have you regressed back to the social media moment? Is there no argument you think you can win outside it?

Have some integrity and discuss all the players. We have given you our opinion on the boys, backed up by video facts. Please let's do the same for the adults involved.

ironsofcanada 9:00 Wed Jan 23
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A decent (not perfect) op-ed from the New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/21/opinion/covington-march-for-life.html

"The man, Nathan Phillips, told two different versions of what happened." [More than that actually]

....

it’s important to remember that these days the social media tail wags the mainstream media dog. If you want your story to be well placed and if you want to be professionally rewarded, you have to generate page views — you have to incite social media. The way to do that is to reinforce the prejudices of your readers.

....

Everybody involved in the incident was operating in an emotional and moral context that has been set by the viciousness of the Black Hebrew Israelites. Of the major players, the boys’ behavior is probably the least egregious.

Hammer and Pickle 8:24 Wed Jan 23
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HAT-TRICK

(and he don't care)

mashed in maryland 8:11 Wed Jan 23
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67

"What is wrong is kids of that age wearing MAGA hats most of them not even old enough to vote"

So you finally admit it. THAT is your problem with them. Doesn't matter what they'd done really, you just consider them the enemy for daring to support the sitting president.

"Their actions are also reflecting Trumps mocking, disparaging , name calling behavior making it the norm for the young and impressionable"

If you could ever be bothered watching the videos of what actually happened, you'd find most of the mocking and name calling is directed against them.

Also please address the fact that Nathan Phillips lied about his Vietnam service. Thankyou.

mashed in maryland 8:04 Wed Jan 23
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So to summarise...

- Black Israelites hurling abuse at a group of kids
- Group of activists yelling "America will burn" and "go back to Europe"
- Man who lies about being a Vietnam veteran squaring up to people trying to start a row
- Group of high school students responding to all the above by singing dancing and smiling.

Why is everyone making out like the last group are the main wrongdoers here?

This is of course ignoring the twitter mob who've been doxxing and issuing death threats against them over fuck all.

mashed in maryland 7:59 Wed Jan 23
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"Perhaps in the British version he could have been singing god save he queen.

This site would have gone apoplectic. "

I've already said it could have been a British army veteran and a group of Salafi Muslims and my take would be the same.

And its already been established he wasn't just singing and playing a drum, he was getting in their faces and trying to instigate a confrontation. Remarkably he didn't actually get one, despite the borderline-racial abuse being hurled at the group from his entourage.

Again, its come to something when singing dancing and smiling in the face of provocation is seen as crossing the line.

Capitol Man 3:04 Wed Jan 23
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ironsofcanada 2:55 Wed Jan 23
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No you didn’t. Think about what you are saying. A man in his 60s singing and playing a drum and a group of dozens of teenagers.

Perhaps in the British version he could have been singing god save he queen.

This site would have gone apoplectic.

You seem to lose site of the basic principles in some desperate desire to ignore the stuff you see with your own eyes but that doesn’t fit with your views.

You can do it. Say they were way way out of line. .

ironsofcanada 2:55 Wed Jan 23
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Have a good night

ironsofcanada 2:53 Wed Jan 23
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Capitol Man 2:47 Wed Jan 23

I gave the correct context to your analogy. - Nothing more.


If we do want to talk about excuses, you were there front and centre trying make them for the journalists, who unlike the boys were adults working in their professional capacity.

Where is your personal responsibility now?

ironsofcanada 2:50 Wed Jan 23
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Capitol Man 2:36 Wed Jan 23

So you have regressed for a bit reason it seemed.

There was no joke, they were minding their own business.
And nothing went wrong, in the end.
Except the doxxing and death threats, the only chargeable criminal offenses in the matter.

You trot out the lines, when you have nothing else. I am talking the facts of the case and you do this again, it looks impotent.

You wanted personal responsibility, let go

- Nathan Phillips
- the journalists
if you don't want to talk specific about responsibility of the boys

Capitol Man 2:47 Wed Jan 23
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ironsofcanada 2:41 Wed Jan 23
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See, you can’t do it can you. Still with the excuse after excuse after excuse.

ironsofcanada 2:41 Wed Jan 23
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Capitol Man 2:27 Wed Jan 23

A Chelsea pensioner that lied about confronting the black youths in the midst of dancing, with an entourage of shouting activists (some saying "go back to Africa") and cameras and some noise making apparatus, maybe bagpipes. Tried to get eye contact with various youths and finally got out that would hold his gaze.

To be clear.

Capitol Man 2:36 Wed Jan 23
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ironsofcanada 2:26 Wed Jan 23
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You’ve seen the video of the mocking and you want to pretend it was some childish joke gone wrong.

That may be where your lack of core values show Canada - but don’t try to blame others for your shambling excuses because it plays into your wider impressions of the media - because it’s exactly what this is all about about.

You’re responses are pretty well off a script and are being repeated all over right wing twat world.

You’re funny. You’re lack of perspective means you seem to put ideas together that sound plausible, but fall down in the slightest breeze of truth.

You won’t answer basic questions on the trump issue, for example, and you can’t bring yourself to admit the kids in the MAGA hats are not innocent bystanders.

ironsofcanada 2:35 Wed Jan 23
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Westham67 1:36 Wed Jan 23

Come on 67, even Capitol has downgraded them to "obnoxious teenagers" now.

Please open your eyes to the broader context.

"mocking, disparaging , name calling behavior "

There is no evidence the kids called names, there
is not evidence they disparaged and some kids mocked in an insensitive way;, most of the time they could be seen as tense, confused, bemused, accepting Phillips as an ally or having a good time.

And "mocking, disparaging , name calling behavior"
was around well before Trump, look at this board. People have said worse things about Natives on here than the boys did.

Capitol Man 2:27 Wed Jan 23
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Eerie Descent 12:07 Wed Jan 23
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We’re a visual species. Perhaps the British equivalent would be a video of some black teenagers mocking a Chelsea pensioner.

ironsofcanada 2:26 Wed Jan 23
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Will pop back in before bed,

Capitol Man 11:41 Tue Jan 22

You are coming back to personal responsibility for actions again which is important, but it is only an idea if you don't answer:

What were their actions exactly.
Where have we landed again? You have soften to "obnoxious teenagers" from "reprehensible" but what exactly have the done, now, in your mind.

You talked a lot about "tomahawk chop" before in this context but the clip you showed did not include it.
When I saw that clip and a most of jumping around, it made me honestly think of this, including the hand movements:
https://youtu.be/XhzpxjuwZy0?t=131
Not a pristine image but nothing directed again Native people or culture specifically.

(There were tomahawk chops but again, not in your clip and literally seconds in the many minutes in overall response)

Back to personal responsibility

- once you have determined what these minors (we do take that into account in matters like this) did, responsibility equals consequence.
So if you talk about it you need to define what they deserve to get for this. Please.

Continuing on personal responsibility-

What personal responsibility do Nathan Phillips and his allies bear in this.

We can agree, I hope at this point, that he initiated the interaction with the boys.

We can also agree, I hope, that he lied about the incident, from the onset.

- He was not surrounded by them, he inserted himself into the already dancing group, he says this in a later version of the story.
.
- I am willing to give the benefit of doubt on the "build the wall" chants because the Hebrew Israelites yelled things including that phrase; maybe he heard that. That said he does say in a later interview that the kids yelled "back to the reservation" but does not mention the "build the wall" again.

- He did lie about being a Vietnam veteran, which added a bit, I guess, to the outrage against the kids and is an easy marker about what he will say in political moment. I, personally, am more concerned about the lies that created concept of the lone old man against the racist horde in the first place.

Can you comment on his personal responsibility based on these terms?

- I do not think he should be punished but I do not think he should be allowed to be considered a credible source of information either. Ie. Given interviews.

Finally can we talk about the personal responsibility of the journalists that ran the initially story, without comments from the kids, without checking the social media accounts and without seeing what clips had been taken from.

(You have already provided excuses for these adults working in a professional capacity, I know. Maybe apply that to the whole story.)

Westham67 1:36 Wed Jan 23
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Look at the Trumpettes go pages of outrage at the injustice to teenage little shits

What is wrong is kids of that age wearing MAGA hats most of them not even old enough to vote

Their actions are also reflecting Trumps mocking, disparaging , name calling behavior making it the norm for the young and impressionable

Eerie Descent 12:07 Wed Jan 23
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I'm a bit more concerned about war memorials in England being vandalised (actually vandalised, not someone making it up) than a few American kids dancing.

Doesn't really fit with the modern world agenda, though.

mashed in maryland 12:02 Wed Jan 23
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Not weird at all. A massive element to your argument has been his supposed "war veteran" status. Which is a complete lie, on his part.

In addition to this, the reports that the kids were shouting stuff like "build the wall" have come directly from him. No video footage backs this claim up.

This certainly matters, when much of the outrage against the kid has stemmed from the word of someone who's lied about serving in a war.

With the other parties including the Black Israelites and people shouting "America will burn" and "go back to Europe", it's absolutely mental that so many people have dogpiled on the schoolkids these miscreants were targeting without even taking 5 minutes to do a bit of digging.

Capitol Man 11:41 Tue Jan 22
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mashed in maryland 10:07 Tue Jan 22
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Weird thing for you to be focusing on. But that's you isn't it.

Does it really matter that he was in the Marines but not sent to vietnam. You don't even realize that you are just pickup up on the attempt to discredit him now.

The failure of many of you to cede a shred of responsibility for the incident to the many obnoxious teenagers involved really says more about you than anything else here.

The kids being kids or boys being boys and too young to know is particularly pathetic.

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