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Steven P 1:25 Thu Sep 13
Spoiler alert - Game of Thrones
So what do you think of this latest theory....


The Season 7 finale of Game of Thrones left fans with as many questions as answers. Fan theories have been flying around the Internet, and some of them are truly mind boggling, like the theory that Tyrion betrayed Daenerys in his meeting with Cersei. It seems unlikely that Tyrion would suddenly side with his hated sister—especially against his beloved Targaryen queen—but there’s actually a lot of evidence to support a Lannister collusion. After all, the finale demonstrated that off-screen conversations can have powerful implications for certain characters. Just ask the late Lord Littlefinger.

Fans will have to wait at least a year (and likely longer) for more Game of Thrones. That’s a long time to go before unraveling the series’ remaining mysteries... but hey, that's what fan theories are for. If Tyrion really did lie to Daenerys, and conspired with his sister, fans can expect to get the answer early in Season 8. With only six episodes remaining in the series, it's more important than ever to take the time and understand the subtle implications and machinations of Game of Thrones.

The Missing Dialogue Between Cersei And Tyrion Tells Us A Lot

The Season 7 finale of Game of Thrones was influenced by a number of important, off-screen interactions. Arya and Sansa plotted with Bran to execute Littlefinger. The Night King made a plan of attack against the Wall. Jon and Daenerys agreed to get down. The audience, of course, saw none of it. However, the most important bit of missing dialogue may have come from a conversation that was cut short.

Tyrion Lannister met with his sister, Cersei, in one of the most tense scenes of the season. After some verbal sparring, the siblings found common ground when Tyrion discovered Cersei’s (alleged) pregnancy. However, immediately at this moment, the scene cut away, The audience is left to guess what happened next, only sure that neither party was finished with the conversation yet.

Cersei's Sudden Change Of Heart Didn't Come Out Of Nowhere

Cersei denied Daenerys Targaryen’s truce, which is why Tyrion sought out the risky conversation with his sister in the first place. At first, Cersei wouldn’t agree to a ceasefire without some explicit promises from Jon Snow. But, after speaking with Tyrion, she had a completely different position, agreeing to fight alongside Jon and Dany in the Great War.

Even though Cersei was secretly lying about the truce, something happened during her meeting with Tyrion that made her change her public position. Something—someone—convinced her it was a good idea to lie her way out of the situation.

We Know That Tyrion Has No Qualms With Lying

Multiple Reddit users pointed out that earlier in the episode, Tyrion had already given his thoughts on the morality of deceit. When Jon Snow’s earnest northern honesty nearly doomed the realm, Tyrion lamented, “Have you ever considered learning how to lie every now and then? Just a bit?”

Fully on board with the whole “Great War to save the realm” thing, Tyrion doesn't mind lying if the ends justify the means. Perhaps Jon wasn’t the only person in King’s Landing Tyrion advised on the benefits of white lies that day.

Tyrion Convinced Cersei To Lie

It would be out of chraracter for Tyrion to outright stab Daenerys in the back. He seems to truly believe in her potential to create a better world, and he isn’t switching his allegiance to Team Cersei anytime soon. However, Tyrion could have betrayed Daenerys by telling his sister to lie, as theorized by FacelessGreenseer on Reddit.

Now that Tyrion believes in the threat from the North, he knows the most important thing is for Dany and Jon to focus on the White Walkers. In this light, it makes sense that he would be fine with Cersei faking a truce. Tyrion’s betrayal could have been as simple as telling Cersei his queen was gullible. After all, all it took was a half-hearted speech for Daenerys to believe Cersei would join the northern campaign. Tyrion might not care if Cersei holds the southern kingdoms for a few extra months while Jon and Daenerys deal with the real threat.

Cersei's Sick Burn Could Have Deeper Meaning

When speaking to her other brother (but only lover) Jaime, Cersei may have dropped a clue about Tyrion’s involvement in her deception. When Jaime expressed astonishment at Cersei's plans to break her word to Daenerys, she replied, “I always knew you were the stupidest Lannister.”

This is both a sick burn—and probably true—but it could have a deeper meaning. By saying Jaime is the stupidest Lannister for not seeing the necessity of her lies, she could be saying that Tyrion, in contrast, did.

How Did Cersei Make Such An Accurate Deduction From Minimal Information?

Cersei correctly guessed that something has happened to one of Daenerys’s dragons. This shows a level of deductive reasoning audiences just aren’t used to from her character. Reddit user FacelessGreenseer thinks this is part of Tyrion’s betrayal—and that the information came from him.

It certainly makes more sense than Cersei figuring it out like a Westerosi Sherlock Holmes. Tyrion could have shared the information in the hopes it would embolden Cersei to deceive Daenerys.

The Question Of Daenerys's Heir, And How It Relates To Cersei's "Baby"

All the talk about Cersei’s pregnancy and Tyrion’s love for her previous children has some fans, like Reddit user Ikkbinz, thinking Tyrion’s betrayal is somehow related to her unborn child. In a previous episode, Tyrion attempted to discuss the issue of Daenerys’s successor, but the conversation was quickly shut down.

Ikkbinz theorizes that Tyrion convinced Cersei to pledge her armies to the northern cause by offering to name her child as Daenerys’s heir. If that deal was struck, however, it would appear Cersei doesn’t plan to honor it.

Tyrion’s Mournful Gaze From The Shadows Speaks Volumes

Fans didn’t know quite what to make of Tyrion hanging out in the shadows and looking sad while Jon and Daenerys loudly hooked up down the hall. Some people thought Tyrion was just being a creep, and others thought he was jealous, but none of that quite fits.

His mournful gaze makes the most sense if he had just betrayed the happy couple, as some fans have speculated. Even if the ends justify the means, Tyrion’s deceit will likely be difficult for Jon and Daenerys to accept, and his future with them could be suspect.

A Prophecy Says That Daenerys Will Be Betrayed

In the A Song of Ice and Fire books (on which Game of Thrones is based), Daenerys Targaryen receives a much more detailed prophetic vision in the House of the Undying. Among the many cryptic clues she receives is a prophecy that says:


“Three fires must you light... one for life and one for death and one to love...

Three mounts must you ride... one to bed and one to dread and one to love...

Three treasons will you know... once for blood and once for gold and once for love..."

Daenerys has already been betrayed many times over, but Tyrion could easily be the "big" trason for love. Though actions were intended to get everyone out of the situation safely and into the fight to save the realm, a betrayal is still a betrayal.

Jaime Is The Actual Target Of Tyrion's Betrayal

As a result of Cersei’s deception, brothers Tyrion and Jaime Lannister are on the same side once again. Reddit user jlynn00 thinks that this might have been Tyrion’s plan all along.

They speculate that Tyrion convinced Cersei to make a false pledge, in part, because he knew it would drive a wedge between her and Jaime. If there’s anyone Tyrion would definitely want on his realm/universe-saving squad, it’s his big brother.

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joe royal 9:49 Thu Sep 13
Re: Spoiler alert - Game of Thrones
There is a bloke on this tour called Forbes Keir Bucknall who never seems to shut up about being in GoT .

He’s such a good actor , he’s pulling video screens around for U2 with 29 other idiots.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbes_KB

RBshorty 7:10 Thu Sep 13
Re: Spoiler alert - Game of Thrones
Jamie will die in the arms of the woman he loves.

Brianne of Tarth.

Russ of the BML 4:07 Thu Sep 13
Re: GOT SPOILER ALERT - DO NOT LOOK IF YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW!
Mr Anon 2:24 Thu Sep 13

Steven P 2:55 Thu Sep 13
Re: GOT SPOILER ALERT - DO NOT LOOK IF YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW!
I don't think you truly get what a spoiler is you plank. If you are talking about anything that has happened in the show it could be classed as spoiler to people who haven't seen it yet. It's not just stuff that hasn't been shown yet.

But you carry on trying...

Gavros 2:43 Thu Sep 13
Re: GOT SPOILER ALERT - DO NOT LOOK IF YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW!
Hardly spoilers is it just bullshit fan theory.

mallard 2:43 Thu Sep 13
Re: Spoiler alert - Game of Thrones
I try to avoid theories as I learned of Jon Snow’s parentage on the web and it spoilt it for me.

The other one was Tyrion’s father was the Mad King.

Mr Anon 2:24 Thu Sep 13
Re: GOT SPOILER ALERT - DO NOT LOOK IF YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW!
Must be hard to gee yourself up finish a book series, when the show has overtaken it, and it has already made you more millions than you know what to do with.

Grumpster 2:14 Thu Sep 13
Re: GOT SPOILER ALERT - DO NOT LOOK IF YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW!
There are books and they're different class, but basically George Martin is a fat lazy septic and so the past couple of seasons have just been what HBO and him speaking have put together, as it takes him 10 years to write a book and the latter ones don't exist.

Northern Sold 1:55 Thu Sep 13
Re: GOT SPOILER ALERT - DO NOT LOOK IF YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW!
Isn't there a set of books the series is based on?? Not that I would be sad enough to read a load of dungeons and dragons books mind you... i'm not a geek

Steven P 1:53 Thu Sep 13
Re: GOT SPOILER ALERT - DO NOT LOOK IF YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW!
Weird old cunt.

Takashi Miike 1:26 Thu Sep 13
Re: GOT SPOILER ALERT - DO NOT LOOK IF YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW!
desperate cunt

LJC 1:25 Thu Sep 13
Re: GOT SPOILER ALERT - DO NOT LOOK IF YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW!
Jesus! Would be a major twist!





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