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Gavros 12:50 Wed Oct 24
McCann's statement analysis
Very long (in fact you can miss out the first fourty minutes which is an introduction of statement analysis. What follows is a remarkable analysis of an interview with the McCanns.


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Lily Hammer 9:43 Sat Nov 17
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The undisputed fact that human blood and, more importantly, cadavarine were detected in the car and apartment, is a screaming coincidence, at the very least.

I thought it was in the police detective's bible that coincidence has to be treated as suspicious until they are satisfied it is purely coincidence.

Can't say that attitude has been shown by the british police at any point so far. I may be wrong, as I don't follow every twist and turn of this morbid story.

Mad Dog 9:37 Sat Nov 17
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I haven't had time to look through the whole thread, however I assume someone has clarified if all missing children get this much financial backing,?

BRANDED 8:45 Sat Nov 17
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All the evidence screams of Tory peaco ring.

southbankbornnbred 8:32 Sat Nov 17
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Very briefly, the fact that the couple were made suspects by the Portuguese police is also controversial and needs proper examination.

Of course, the Portuguese may have more evidence than has ever been publicly made available - I'm not of the lazy view that the local/national police on the Med were incompetent.

But the decision to re-register the case locally from a Misper to a possible homicide was taken on the back of a highly controversial DNA examination which has subsequently been considered unsafe. The Portuguese moved quickly to re-define the case on the back of the discovery of DNA in the boot of the car. But the expert (and he really is one) at the Forensic Science Service had informed people that the results of the test (which is a particular low-bar test made when the samples are poor) was 'too complex for meaningful interpretation'.

That should start anybody's alarm bells ringing.

Like I say, I'm not an expert on this case. But I can absolutely see why there have been no arrests or charges. There simply doesn't appear to be definitive evidence one way or another.

I actually think that it's high time the UK moved on from it. It's a horrible case, and I feel for the poor girl. But £12m spent in the UK alone sounds like desperation at this point - unless there is something the police have not mentioned.

southbankbornnbred 8:16 Sat Nov 17
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But there is a very big difference between a version of events not adding up, and definitive evidence.

I've been involved in cases in which there were numerous accounts provided by different innocent parties - none of which turned out to be definitively true: even when somebody was later found guilty of the particular crime.

The one thing you quickly learn in complex cases is to keep an open mind - and follow the evidence. I'm not saying there is not evidence in this case, but I am saying that it is not yet definitive one way or another. Whether you like it or not, that is simply a fact.

Pee Wee 4:29 Sat Nov 17
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"I'd say that the evidence (such that it exists) is far from definitive or indicative either way."

Then I'd suggest you read more as one thing is certain, and that is that their version of events did not happen.

That alone should make them prime suspects.

mashed in maryland 3:15 Sat Nov 17
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British police have made it very clear that when it comes to high profile cases involving child abuse they're not to be trusted. Don't see how this case is any different.

Gavros 3:10 Sat Nov 17
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But it wasn't missed, was it. The Portuguese police had them down as prime suspects, and the British police have been *told* that they can't make them suspects, otherwise they clearly would.

southbankbornnbred 2:53 Sat Nov 17
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But here's something to think about...

It is, of course, quite possible that one reason why the Met has not closed the case, and keeps funding extensions to it, is that they (and possibly the police in Portugal) are aware of evidence or claims that they know about - but which is/are not admissible in a court.

Either that, or the fear of adverse media publicity, could be the driving force behind the Met's decision to keep extending the investigation.

This is purely speculation, but I do know that existing inadmissible evidence has often been a driver in these sorts of cases in the past.

And, just to be balanced about this, I should also make it clear that this sort of inadmissible evidence could indicate actions by any number of ppl - not just the parents, or friends etc. One common example would be an informed prison cell confession made to other inmates etc. It could be phone tap evidence - it could be any number of things.

southbankbornnbred 2:45 Sat Nov 17
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That may well be the case - or, perhaps, not.

But if you have some insight that appears to have been missed by 60-odd trained and professional detectives (here and in Portugal), with a total budget of £12m allowing them to speak in detail with every major individual who was present at the time...then do go to the cops and let them know.

I'm being flippant, of course, and I certainly don't mean to pick on your post. But the serious point is that the evidence - and we can only focus on the evidence - is far from definitive. For every inconsistency in various witness statements, there are potential explanations or plausible alternatives which cannot be ruled out.

Many ppl, for example, continue to repeat the cadaver dog evidence. Which is fine. But many of the very same ppl don't seem to realise that the hire care was rented days after Madeleine went missing - leaving open many possibilities as to why the dogs responded how they did.

The reality is that few people anywhere in the world can say definitively what happened. Which is truly sad. I genuinely hope that the case is resolved eventually. But in the absence of any new information, my personal view is that they should put the investigation on ice.

mashed in maryland 2:45 Sat Nov 17
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I think it was their paedo chef mate.

Gavros 2:35 Sat Nov 17
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Sometimes things are complex.

Sometimes they are quite simple .

They did it.

southbankbornnbred 2:23 Sat Nov 17
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Quite. I find it odd that people are so definitive in their view - one way or another. Like I say, I'm not an expert on the case at all. But from what I do know of it, and I have read over some of the official documents and witness statements, I'd say that the evidence (such that it exists) is far from definitive or indicative either way. Hence, as you say, the case has not be resolved despite a, frankly, outrageous outlay of £12m in the UK alone (remarkable considering that the crime, whatever that crime is, was committed in Portugal).

Generally speaking, ppl like binary narratives or definitive outcomes - and, naturally, there is always psychological discomfort with uncertainty. That predisposes many of us (me included at times) to reach for explanations - and that's where the majority of 'definitive' explanations come from, even when ppl on all sides of the debate are reading the same evidence/docs etc.

Many things feed into the pro/anti McCann agendas - from class bias to cod psychology and irrationality. These issues are magnified when children are involved, too, because they become so much more emotive.

Personally, I think it's high time the Met eased down it's investigation - unless, that is, there is something that detectives are aware of which has been kept well away from public consumption. In the absence of any new information, surely putting the investigation on ice and re-diverting scarce resources is the tough-but-sensible thing to do?

It's interesting. The Met took a lot of criticism over something like Operation Midland, despite having to investigate serious claims made in that case. Yet that cost £2m. The McCann case, which took place abroad, has cost six times that so far - in the UK alone.

Full Claret Jacket 7:22 Fri Nov 16
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Its not hatred towards them either. Most people want answers and believe they have them but for whatever reason choose to not provide them and peddle a story with too many inconsistences for it to be true.
I dont like money keep being thrown at this when there are hundreds of other families who have missing kids and relatives that dont get this level of support.

The Kronic 6:46 Fri Nov 16
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It's the lack of outcry that they're immune from investigation which is the most bizarre.

penners28 6:37 Fri Nov 16
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Regarding the timeline I have mentioned this before, but wasn't she last seen at 3 or 4 in the afternoon. From then until when they reported her "missing" was a huge window...

It actually amazes me that anyone could read up about the case and NOT think they were involved somehow..

Full Claret Jacket 6:28 Fri Nov 16
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It is without doubt in my mind that they know much more about this disapearance than they say. I beleieve that they have misled the investigation and lied - either to cover up their own incompetence and poor parenting or to hide something more sinister. A number of crime investigators have picked up the parents behaviour as being worrying and they remain insistent on pushing a story of abduction when there is NO evidence of it.
As previously said, ignore the 'timeline' and what has been offered up as the course of events by them.
It is very peculiar that they got so much backing from the papers and from government leading to a huge windfall of cash for their negligence. They have to still be strong suspects.
I only hope one day the truth comes out and the poor girl gets justice.

Gavros 6:09 Fri Nov 16
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one of the big plusses of the Porsche Macan is that there's plenty of boot space.

The Kronic 6:08 Fri Nov 16
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What is also FACT is that on the day they abandoned their kids to eat with their chinless wonder pals, Maddie was ill.


Stevethehammer 6:06 Fri Nov 16
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I think hatred towards them has stemmed not only from the fact that they left their children alone to go out to dinner but the suggestion that THEY are the victims. It has always been about them, not actually about Maddie. In the interviews after it was always about them, not her, to me they never showed remorse for leaving the kids alone. They always made it clear how good they were as parents yet that extremely selfish act of leaving their children alone at night in a foreign country has meant 3 year old has gone missing.. according to their story.
Many things have never ever sat right with me especially their actions such as Gerry going to play Tennis
hours after, Kate washing the teddy bear. Everything has pointed to suspicion on their part and if you watch interviews with parents whose children have also gone missing you can see real differences. The media have never got on their backs over the inconsistencies, their actions and the portrayal of them being the victims is plain wrong. Due to their actions a child went missing and to not be held accountable for that, to me is such an injustice.

Pee Wee 5:15 Fri Nov 16
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Their story being provably wrong.

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