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ornchurch ammer 2:06 Fri Jan 11
Abolish transfers in football
How about abolishing transfers and insisting that players see out each contract and be free to move at the end of the it?

It might mean that each player only signs a yearly contract at a time and there would be a massive free for all each summer but given how Payet and Arnie have behaved with us would it make any real difference?

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ironsofcanada 11:07 Fri Jan 11
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Far Cough 9:54 Fri Jan 11l

They were such a great team that it took a few years and other departures.
Won one more Stanley Cup (5th in 7 years.). And the year after that they lost to a Cinderella North Stars team in the semi finals. Not sure if you were there at that point.

Far Cough 9:54 Fri Jan 11
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The local pro hockey team I support was one of the most successful franchises ever on the ice when I was young. But it being a small market, when American tv came along, combined with them not being good any more, there was years of speculation about them leaving or folding.


Edmonton?

They became a bit shit when the Great One left, didn't they?

Gaffer58 9:52 Fri Jan 11
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Talking of transfers, does the tax man get VAT at 20% value of the transfer price? So if Arnie goes to Man U for £100 million, do we only get £80 million.

ironsofcanada 4:46 Fri Jan 11
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threesixty 4:30 Fri Jan 11

Sorry

North American professional team sports, I guess.

I know very little about golf or Nascar etc.

One of the instances I am referring to is that the biggest city close to where I grew up has had double digit (I am sure) different football (soccer) teams that have come and gone over the course of my life. The ones that have done well on the field have lasted longer, because they have little else financially but fan support.

The local pro hockey team I support was one of the most successful franchises ever on the ice when I was young. But it being a small market, when American tv came along, combined with them not being good any more, there was years of speculation about them leaving or folding.

So there are stakes but they are different and year to year it can certainly seem like getting the best draft pick is a lot better than getting relegated.

ornchurch ammer 4:46 Fri Jan 11
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if it did happen then i think some clubs would go bust as they are "selling " clubs and will sell there best players for money


A lot of them only go bust though because they pay ridiculous fees and then have to sell at a loss after relegation or for other reasons.

threesixty 4:30 Fri Jan 11
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Irons of Canada

Thanks, I don’t know much about American sports in detail. I only know a bit about NBA and NFL stuff.

when you say NA , you mean what? North American sports in general?

ironsofcanada 4:18 Fri Jan 11
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threesixty 4:06 Fri Jan 11

Appreciate your points and I think most of them are spot on but I would disagree about some of your thoughts on American sports.

NA sports teams go out of business all the time and actually disappear more often that UK football teams. They don't just go down divisions, they are gone. And whether they succeed on the field has a lot to with it.

The franchise stuff you are saying is absolutely true and it does mitigate risk and in turn exercise a lot of control. MLS being a stronger example than NFL, just without the money because of an inferior product.

But I think you were working with a knowledge of the top of the NA leagues without understanding what else goes on.

4ever-blowin-bubbles 4:13 Fri Jan 11
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if it did happen then i think some clubs would go bust as they are "selling " clubs and will sell there best players for money

threesixty 4:07 Fri Jan 11
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Sorry, no relegation!

BRANDED 4:06 Fri Jan 11
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There is a total cost and total income for each player. This includes all revenue streams in and wages and transfer fees etc out.

It could, in theory, be done another way but I dont know how you write off all those transfer costs off without either gaining an advantage or losing one.

threesixty 4:06 Fri Jan 11
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As has been pointed out. Where the job is unique and a lot of energy is put into developing that talent, long term contracts have to exist to protect everybody.

The clubs wouldn’t sign long term deals and the players wouldn’t either of it didn’t work for both of them.

E.g. Nasri may want a 5 year contract but no would give him that so he has a short term deal, and can leave in the summer with no fee involved. I’m sure he wanted a long term deal but that does suit us or many other clubs.

The other angle is that you can only play for 2 clubs in any one season. So creating ultra short deals doesn’t make too much sense. This is to make the game fairer.

I think the difference with American sports is that an American team is really a franchise granted by the nfl, nba etc..

So they can enforce how players are acquired (draft system etc..). American sports have no regulation and are guaranteed money spinners generally. So there is less risk for investors.

European football teams can easily go to the wall and disappear. Look at Leeds Utd or Portsmouth. So they act more like individual business than franchises.

But that is why we love football. Winning and losing actually means something here. Rather like real life. American sport just seems fake by comparison.

ironsofcanada 3:59 Fri Jan 11
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Bungo 3:47 Fri Jan 11

Yeah, I don't know enough to predict the future of this.

I guess a crash in TV revenue would change things dramatically.

I like the sort of parity that some the North American systems bring but it certainly does not inspire more loyalty in most cases.

Bungo 3:47 Fri Jan 11
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ironsofcanada 3:29 Fri Jan 11

I think you're right about contracts evolving and becoming more complex as the talent or skill that the person brings becomes more desirable.

I suppose golden 'hellos' or golden handcuffs in other fields of work are examples of this.

One thing I'm sure we can depend on, is that clubs will figure out ways to become as attractive as possible to the players they want.

ornchurch ammer 3:39 Fri Jan 11
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In sports, for both sides their is a lot to gain from having more than a few years in deal. Image rights, increased desirability (playing for a top 4 means England duty etc..), injury, long term club planning etc.. mean that 3 or 4 yr contracts keep everyone happy.


You could still have transfers of whatever length it is just that the players would have to honour the contract that they have signed. That might lead to shorter contracts in a lot of cases but, like in the real world, some players might prefer the security of a longer contract.

As for the image rights this is something that the higher profile players, or more realistically their agents, have cottoned on to in recent years. Clubs use players to promote the kits etc, but would the players rights be as much in demand if they didn't have a club? Therefore a stipulated split between club and player for length of contract.

penners28 3:37 Fri Jan 11
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3rd party ownership is the way forward. companies will own players then lease then for a specific period to clubs. that way players wont be leaving mid season

ironsofcanada 3:29 Fri Jan 11
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Bungo 3:17 Fri Jan 11

I guess my understanding would be the more exclusive your talent is considered in sport or business or movies, the more elaborate your contracts gets and the cost (transfer fee - credit to threesixty) of breaking it is higher.

The NA sports don't break the contacts, when players move, is my understanding of how they get around it. They have a system that I assume says you can't go around breaking other teams contracts, no matter the cost or someone would have done it already.

General question, how did the transfer system develop?

Takashi Miike 3:26 Fri Jan 11
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the only way to achieve parity would be to introduce an equal salary cap throughout the leagues in europe. the bigger clubs would never want that so we're stuck with the current system and the parasite agents

Bungo 3:17 Fri Jan 11
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ironsofcanada 3:08 Fri Jan 11

Maybe, but if there are no transfer fees, and they're all obliged to work ubder the same system, wouldn't this work?

threesixty 3:16 Fri Jan 11
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A transfer is buying the rights for the exclusive performance of the player. Its not the salary.

A normal person goes to work for a company and their time is exchanged for money. Normally you can give a months notice and thats that, but if they are more senior they may sign a contract that states 3months or even a year.

In sports, for both sides their is a lot to gain from having more than a few years in deal. Image rights, increased desirability (playing for a top 4 means England duty etc..), injury, long term club planning etc.. mean that 3 or 4 yr contracts keep everyone happy.

The transfer is just the cost of breaking that contract.
It might be worth 50m to west ham to break arnie's contract it might not be.

Thats all that transfers are. If you insist that everyone honors their contract it might not be beneficial for both sides. Maybe we need 50m to buy someone or fix the right now but have to wait till the end of a 5yr contract?

I think the transfer windows have killed the real down sides of it. (poaching players to break up a run). Also FFP and having homegrown players is also helping.

I think you need it for sports because the value of work is beyond the normal hours for pay scenario.

ironsofcanada 3:08 Fri Jan 11
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Bungo 3:01 Fri Jan 11

People can correct me but don't contracts in the "real" world start to look a lot more like footballer's contracts if they involve similar amounts of money?

Bungo 3:01 Fri Jan 11
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I've never really understood why footballers aren't employed by clubs on similar terms to most of us wit normal employment contracts.

Perform to required standard, keep getting paid month on month. Perform badly, club has right to terminate employment after appropriate period, and the footballer can go off and try and get a job elsewhere.

If footballer wants to go elsewhere anyway, they can hand resignation in and work their notice period.

Is there a flaw with this approach that I've missed?

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