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zico 7:10 Fri Jan 18
Does modern day football management and coaching really make a big difference?
As per the question.

Been reading a bit about this Bielsa situation and the spying on opposition lark and he states that he and his team spend a few hundred hours preparing various PowerPoint presentations on oppositions strengths and weaknesses etc.

Obviously with other fads such as ProZone (if it still exists) and training ground coaching it seems the modern footballer has to take in vast amounts of information about how the manager wants the individual and the team play. Add on Sports Science, diet and Eileen Drewery (if she still exists) etc etc it comes across that modern day football is won as much on paper (or iPad) as it is on the pitch but does it?

I used to love reading Ron Greenwood and John Lyall's books and the first thing I remember about their philosophy was that all a coach needs is a good pair of eyes, and Ron especially couldn't understand why managers and coaches were obsessed with writing things down when a match was on because head down writing on a note pad might well mean you would miss something when the game is going on.

So does all this modern day stuff really make a difference or could Ron or John still manage today with just a good pair of eyes?!

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zico 2:45 Sat Jan 19
Re: Does modern day football management and coaching really make a big difference?
Fair point Alfs, I think Wenger is a decent example and maybe his methods became outdated and he failed to move with the times towards the end. Interestingly though I think his teams, the early ones anyway were powerful with a sprinkling of skill and technique rather than the tippy tap Arsenal we think of today. Plus I think he was rather fortunate to walk into a Club with a well drilled back four that he was left with, that helps. Would have been interesting to see if he would have had the same impact at a lesser Club.

Alfs 1:57 Sat Jan 19
Re: Does modern day football management and coaching really make a big difference?
Of course it does. Take Wenger, for example, perhaps the man that brought modern football to England. He soon turned Arsenal into a formidable team with them winning 3 prem titles and 3 FA cups between 1997 and 2005 and had his team unbeaten for a whole season.

Other clubs started adopting his scientific approach and began to catch up, with more and more continental managers working with English clubs.

Science can help and improve every task known to mankind, even mopping the kitchen floor.

Takashi Miike 10:39 Fri Jan 18
Re: Does modern day football management and coaching really make a big difference?
no, not rose tinted at all. devonshire and brooking in the modern era would be superstars, and the england team has lacked a leader like bonds since moore

Takashi Miike 10:29 Fri Jan 18
Re: Does modern day football management and coaching really make a big difference?
zico, I'm not a fan of the director of football role but where it works best is somewhere like man city where guardiola has a couple of his mates from barcelona as the middle men sorting out the contracts and transfers. for that system to work, there has to be that relationship. at the moment it's working for manuel and husillos but it remains to be seen it the dwarves continue to trust/back them

zico 10:24 Fri Jan 18
Re: Does modern day football management and coaching really make a big difference?
Takashi Miike 9:35 Fri Jan 18

You make a good point. Greenwood certainly would have not been able to manage agents etc these days considering his perceived lack of man management and I suspect John Lyall would have become quite disillusioned with it.

Thing is when I watch football these days bar the very top of the tree I don't see too many players I would look back on in 20 years (if I am still here) and rave about them like we do about the decades of old. Is that because that was our childhood/young adulthood and how we remember it, rose tinted spectacles or is there a truth in it?

International football I don't think the Germans, Dutch, Italians or Brazilians etc are any better than they were 20,30,40,50 years ago and I would argue worse so that's why I am wondering if players are almost being overcoached with a team ethic rather than allowing a natural flair.

I guess Joe Cole was a prime example. Played a role in a successful team but he didn't probably hit his potential as an individual player. Would an Osgood, Marsh or Hudson stand a chance now? Mind you players like that were overlooked by national managers back then let alone now.

Texas Iron 10:16 Fri Jan 18
Re: Does modern day football management and coaching really make a big difference?
Pellegrini proves it makes a hell of a difference...
In all areas of the club...even with relationships with owners and club management...
Recruitment...development player fitness tactics selection etc etc...
Glad we finally have A Modern...successful World Class Manager...
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BRANDED 10:05 Fri Jan 18
Re: Does modern day football management and coaching really make a big difference?
Not drinking like navvies and eating steak and chips is a start. Then being fit. Then being well drilled. Then having the intelligence.
If you do all that with skillful players you'll have a chance but......

They sill have to believe in you.

Takashi Miike 9:35 Fri Jan 18
Re: Does modern day football management and coaching really make a big difference?
I think the word modern is irrelevant. good managers would do well in any era. what's more difficult now is relating ideas to players who are multi millionaires and think they know it all before they're twenty one. there's a lot of exceptions like declan, but the managers who can relate well to the new breed are in high demand. the biggest problem old style managers would have now is dealing with agents and the hangers on that come with many of the more talented players

gregan 9:26 Fri Jan 18
Re: Does modern day football management and coaching really make a big difference?
The flair players often are ones who played street football or in the cages. Zaha, Sterling, Sancho. Even our Joe Cole only played unstructured cage football for a lot of his youth. This ties in with the street football scene in France (Mahrez, Pogba etc), Belgium and Holland to name a few. Spain have a futsal culture. Obviously the Brazilians develop their flair/ginga on the small spaces in favelas caged courts (futsal) Not a coach in sight. ‘Peleda’ i think they call this.

Interesting in one doc I saw a guy say the players have high technical level as there are no coaches! No one to stop them dribbling!

gregan 9:16 Fri Jan 18
Re: Does modern day football management and coaching really make a big difference?
Bielsa demands a lot of engagement and focus from the player. Some of his old players ie Herrera at Man Utd say how it’s mentally draining/fatiguing after a while and not for every player. His teams have been known to start the season on fire then fade at the back end with injuries and fatigue.

So much data out there that can certainly help a coach shape how they play and what they need to work on. The trick I guess is choosing the meaningful data and applying it in a way the players can digest and engage with.

Eddie Howe is an improver of players. Simon Francis is a good example. He spends a shit load of time individually with the players going over analysis and trying to improve their game.

Peterboroughiron 8:20 Fri Jan 18
Re: Does modern day football management and coaching really make a big difference?
Just started reading Ian Wright bio and clearly modern coaching
Diet and philosophy is miles ahead which just makes you realise just how good some of the great players of old were with none of that shit Sir Bobby Moore as a classic example

zico 8:17 Fri Jan 18
Re: Does modern day football management and coaching really make a big difference?
I mean all the modern day fads that modern managers use. Is Guardiola any better than he would be if he didn't bother using the likes of Pro Zone and spending hours creating dossiers for the players?

We can all see on MOTD that you don't let certain players cut inside and force them wide or either staying tight to certain strikers or dropping off or stopping certain playmakers from having time, a lot of it isn't rocket science. Hours and hours worth off dossiers surely overloads a player and might be why we don't see as many "off the cuff" geniuses as we used to. There aren't any Hudson's, Brookings, Best's or Gascoigne's anymore, I feel all that is being coached out of players.

Hermit Road 8:08 Fri Jan 18
Re: Does modern day football management and coaching really make a big difference?
I’ve seen us under Allardyce and Pellegrini so yeah, managers make a difference.

Takashi Miike 7:35 Fri Jan 18
Re: Does modern day football management and coaching really make a big difference?
yes

Far Cough 7:17 Fri Jan 18
Re: Does modern day football management and coaching really make a big difference?
Bill Shankly had the best football coaching philosophy





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