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Gaffer58 7:55 Wed Jul 10
US Ambassador Resigns
A general question, as he has resigned will he get his payoff and civil service pension in full. I know if I had left the steelworks without fulfilling the pension terms I would have had to wait until I was 65 to claim my company pension, and would also not have received any redundancy payments.

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Mike Oxsaw 11:22 Fri Jul 12
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Capitol Man 5:42 Thu Jul 11

You still haven't managed to produce a single shred of evidence to suggest that I'm setting myself up as a victim.

Is it just the attention you seek? If so, go buy a fucking dog instead of marrying one.

BRANDED 10:59 Fri Jul 12
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We didn’t need the Ambassador to tell though did we?

, 10:52 Fri Jul 12
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The ambassador fed back his objective opinion, which is what his job is, and clearly that opininion was based on his long experience of dealing with other national governments.

Russ of the BML 10:51 Fri Jul 12
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Coffee 7:56 Thu Jul 11

Agreed. This could escalate and I don't think this will end quietly.

Russ of the BML 10:50 Fri Jul 12
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Capitol Man 7:18 Thu Jul 11

Appreciate that.

Russ of the BML 10:49 Fri Jul 12
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Hammer and Pickle 6:56 Thu Jul 11

I never said I was his equivalent and it is a stupid comment to suggest I did.

My point was that there are strict rules around "opinion" even at Local Government level. And for good reason.

If his opinion that the Trump administration is "Inept" and "Dysfunctional" then that is fine. No problem with that opinion. But it is just an opinion and not a fact. Therefore, it may have been advisable to project that opinion through another avenue.

But that's just my opinion and I fully respect yours. If you and obviously others believe it is an ambassadors job to feedback personal opinion to their respective government then I am happy to accept that.

But this situation will certainly make a lot of other ambassadors sit up and take note of what they say and through what medium they say it.

Coffee 7:56 Thu Jul 11
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Russ of the BML 6:21 Thu Jul 11

Fully accept the gist of what you're saying, but it is part of the job of any ambassador to write and send confidential reports - including opinions - back to London. Therefore it was absolutely within his remit to write what he did. It was absolutely not expected for those words to be leaked or hacked or whatever happened. If it was a leak, I hope they find the fellow soon and string him up by his balls. If it was a hack, then we're in even more dodgy muck, you'd think.

Capitol Man 7:18 Thu Jul 11
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Russ of the BML 6:21 Thu Jul 11
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His communications would be covered by the official secrets act and not under the same laws as local government.

Whoever leaked this is putting the security of the UK at risk, because god knows what else they have.

, 7:18 Thu Jul 11
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I am pretty sure that UK ambassadors are not subject to the rules as Russ suggests. I am also pretty sure that it is traditional that UK ambassadors feed their frank and objective assessments back to the Foreign office or wherever. Clearly there has been a breach of security in this case where oddly what is revealed is that the ambassador reports just about what many are thinking about the Trump administration anyway.

What we don’t want is this episode being the excuse certain people use to change the roles of our ambassadors, being independent of political parties, such that they are the place men of narrow interests who do not put the national interest first.

Hammer and Pickle 6:56 Thu Jul 11
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He was ambassador to the US, Russ. Not wishing to disrespect your job duties, you are not his equivalent and he was in a unique position to base his opinion of Trump on fact. It is also his job to make his report clearly and it’s not about whether he wanted to or not. He would have been in breach of his duties had he failed to do what he did.

Russ of the BML 6:21 Thu Jul 11
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Hammer & Pickle:

I work in local government. We are bound by strict rules relating to written communication i.e. memo, e-mail, cable etc etc.

We are strictly forbidden from expressing any personal opinion or thoughts on any matter. We are advised to stick only to fact and already known truths.

The reason for this is because a person can, at any time, request to see any written communication that mentions them. That can be anyone. A member of the public, an employee, a contractor, other local authority etc etc.

This is local government level so what restrictions are in place for international diplomacy?

Kim Darroch's cables which have been leaked see him describe the Trump administration as “uniquely dysfunctional” and “inept.”

Darroch also reportedly said that media reports of “vicious infighting and chaos” inside the White House were “mostly true,” and that Trump’s career could end in “disgrace.”

Now I know that Darroch was not expecting the cables to be leaked. But has he never heard of a telephone? Using a secure line. Or even face to face conversation. If he had such strong opinions of the Trump administration and how he felt Trumps tenure would end would he not have been better off speaking his mind in a more secure way?

I appreciate he is allowed to have an opinion. But my point is that at such a high position of office and in such an important role he may have been better served keeping his opinions to himself until he could express them securely.

Capitol Man 6:16 Thu Jul 11
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What's left of it I suppose. Still intertwined security services.

Pickle Rick 6:08 Thu Jul 11
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Gaffer,

To answer your question, his pension will be frozen to the date of his resignation. Once he retires from work he contacts them and they will work out what his pension will be and, I imagine, he has the civil service old classic scheme pension which also pays out a lump sum on retirement whether you work for the CS or not; I have this pension as I worked for the CS for 18 years so have a little pension pot plus a lump sum coming my way when I retire.

, 5:51 Thu Jul 11
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What alliance?

Capitol Man 5:44 Thu Jul 11
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Who would want take down the British / American alliance?

Capitol Man 5:42 Thu Jul 11
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Mike Oxsaw 4:31 Thu Jul 11
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Then why the constant bleating and crying then? Lefties this liberals that? You got to get over this victim mentality.

Texas Iron 5:05 Thu Jul 11
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The key questions are..
Who leaked the ambassador's comments...and why...???

Mike Oxsaw 4:31 Thu Jul 11
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Capitol Man 4:32 Thu Jul 11

Stop projecting, you tit.

I'm the only one responsible for what goes on in my life; always have been, always will be.

Now. these posts you have as proof to the opposite. Where are they?

Hammer and Pickle 4:18 Thu Jul 11
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Let me help you with the facts Russ because you seem a little confused.

The UK ambassador was doing his duty reporting the facts from his posting to his employer, which is the British government.

He did not have anything leaked. In fact, he reported on the time-honoured basis that his information was going into reliable hands and would not be leaked.

I doubt this is going to help you but one can only do one’s best.

Russ of the BML 4:13 Thu Jul 11
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What is that Politifact shit? Is it designed to tell us politicians lie?

No shit Sherlock.

Russ of the BML 4:12 Thu Jul 11
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ChillTheKeel 3:40 Thu Jul 11

LOL You know what I mean. He calls a spade a spade. He's obviously got his opinion of the UK Ambassador, Teresa May and the UK Parliament. What this has done has give him the ammo and the platform to say it.

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