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Chi-townHammer 3:39 Fri Aug 2
VAR...are we all looking forward to it?
Surely Nobes will be in double figures this season?

Is it gonna be a leveller or favour the bigger clubs?

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diehardhammer 3:25 Thu Aug 22
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https://www.claretandhugh.info/pellegrini-in-support-of-var/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

pellegrini in favour of VAR too

SUM A DING WONG 1:42 Thu Aug 22
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As Edwin Starr said

VAR, huh, yeah

What is it good for
Absolutely nothing

VAR, huh, yeah
What is it good for
Absolutely nothing
Say it again, why'all.

Sorry, i just had to get that off my chest.


In all seriousness, i think VAR will eventually work reasonably well.

Just teething problems, innit, blud.

Stubbo 11:59 Thu Aug 22
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VAR is a step forward in my opinion. Decision Review in cricket took a couple years to get right and now is very polished in it's delivery.

The same will be true of VAR. The ambiguity of the rules and then the inconsistent interpretation of them is the far bigger issue.

The other that will be an issue is remaining big club bias in non black and white situations like contact fouls in the box. But hopefully this will at least improve on idiots like John Moss.

Agree with all said about offside and handball. Those rules are a dogs dinner, and need addressing. Handball should be entirely about whether an advantage was gained, and with the onus on players to keep their arms out of the way. It might lead to more penalties and bigger scores but why does that matter?

Offside in my opinion should consider anyone in the 18 yard box interfering with play, with none of this first and second phase bollocks. Im fine with a guy injured by the corner flag not being considered interfering with play, but if youre in the area the defence have to factor you into their decision making, and that is interfering with play (whether you physically move to play the ball or not).

Manuel 10:24 Thu Aug 22
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The way I'd change it is that there has to be daylight between the forward and last defender to be offside,all this leg, knee, shoulder offside is stupid.

jack flash 10:20 Thu Aug 22
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Sniper ~
I think that you're 100% correct
If you're offside, your offside.
This 'Not deemed by the referee to be interfering with play' nonsense is open to all sorts of dubious interpretations & decisions made at the whim of the referee
The rules become to vague & not even understood by the majority, which cannot be right
I'm not against VAR but it needs to be applied much better
Offside decisions should be clear cut with modern technology, & they would be if the old rules were applied
I like the way it's applied in cricket where the captain is allowed a fixed number of VAR revues However, all penalty decisions should be revued live as a matter of course as there is always a natural delay before a penalty kick gets taken

Sniper 2:28 Wed Aug 21
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Duke

Yeah that’s fair enough. I just look at all examples like those and just think that if hey don’t restrict offside back a bit then you might as well just get rid of it and allow goal hanging.

The only way to mitigate the first one is to not push the defence up. And even the second one, because of how far forward Kane is to start with, you need to drop the defence back really quickly to get goal side of him again

The third one is difficult in that there needs to be a degree of flexibility but I do think the current laws don’t help at all

I do t even get me started on how stupid it is that you can be classed as offside by your toe being in front of someone

Iron Duke 2:13 Wed Aug 21
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Sniper, I can only agree with you on the first goal. Kane was offside from the original pass so should have been out of the game for cross. The second one, by the time the through ball was played he was onside. For the third goal, they would have been offside if it came back to them if it came off the post or keeper, but they were not interfering in my view.

Back to the first goal, it really isn’t right that a player can be deemed onside from that position.

Sniper 1:51 Wed Aug 21
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My only hope with var is that the use of it will lead to tweaking some of the ridiculous laws currently in the game. Offside being one of them.

Here’s are highlights of us losing 3-2 at home to spurs a couple of seasons back.

https://youtu.be/5VrW8iKeE9Q

The first goal is how ludicrous offside is. When the ball is played to alli, Kane is a good couple of yards offside - he’s way ahead of Ogbonna, who is the furthest player back, but he goes after Alli who is the nearest player to him. Kane is three or four yards ahead of Reid, who has no chance of making that ground back so by the time Alli crosses Kane is all alone. The goal should’ve been chalked off as soo e as the ball was played in to Kane as he gained a huge advantage by being offside initially. The actual workings of the current law mean that if he’d just been stood on the penalty spot the whole time but the ball was played back to him in the same manner by alli, that would be ok. That’s just stupid

The second goal is another one of those modern interpretations of offside. Hart clears the ball, Kane is in the penalty area when he does so. Spurs win the header and pass the ball forward and both times Kane is still offside, slowly jogging and make minimal effort to get inside. Only when the through ball is made does he move to get onside just in time, but maintains the space he was in initially and so gains an advantage from it. It’s poor defending but it comes about from us pushing up and Kane not doing so and so he gains an advantage.

The third goal, when erikkson strikes the ball there are two players offside on the edge of the 6 yard box. Now neither of them are in front of hart, neither makes a move towards the ball or move out the way of it. However, I always argue with these that having a player there is off-putting for the keeper, and I remember years ago brad friedel doing punditry work on 5 live saying that keepers have to properly take into account where opposition players are when trying to save a shot so they don’t push a rebound out to them. I’m not saying that last part made a difference in this instance as hart is wank, but to process all of that in a fraction of a second when trying to make a save reduces the chance of making it. I’d have it that any player offside in the penalty area is just offside.

This isn’t because it’s kane/spurs it’s just an example of how three goals that would have all been offside 20 odd years ago now aren't because of modern interpretation and that’s not necessarily a good thing.

Instead of disallowing goals because the ball unwittingly brushed a players arm which you can only see on super slow mo as if you’re looking for a nick to the wicket keeper (and nobody in the pitch spotted or appealed about it), I’d rather stupid interpretations of laws were addressed and VAR was used and developed to iron out these issues to make the game better

diehardhammer 1:23 Wed Aug 21
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Unpopular opinion but I like VAR and it's intentions and ill explain why

For starters, the refereeing in the league last season was abysmal and west ham in particular were on the wrong end of countless bad decisions and im certain we would have achieved Europa qualification if VAR was in place last season.

This whole "it will kill atmospheres/kill celebrations" argument is complete and utter bollocks. The Wolves fans demonstrated they celebrated just fine when they scored before the VAR check.

The system as it stands is not perfect granted, some of the rules need re-examining which is rightly most people's gripe and annoyance. The offside and new handball rules can be re-jigged to find a solution there.

We finally have a system that will check dodgy decisions , it's not perfect now but given time it can get there.

jack flash 1:12 Wed Aug 21
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So far, in my opinion its been an unmitigated disaster
It was a shambles in the Ladies World Cup & has proved to be no better in the EPL
The penalty awarded to Pogba in the WW vs Man U game was given for the most blatent dive so far this season, which was even clearer on the replay, yet no VAR!
There was nothing wrong with the old offside rule. If you're offside, you're offside, never mind this 'not interfering with play' bollocks
As one famous manager said 'If you're not interfering with play, you shouldn't be on the pitch!'
Offsides could then be easily decided by having a small metal tag sewn into the players shirt which could immediately show the players exact position in relation to the last 2 defenders
Probably too simple!

Manuel 12:04 Wed Aug 21
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It's a disaster for too many reasons to sit here and list.

And btw, wait until a crucial penalty is not allowed after the keeper doesn't leave a foot on the line. Can understand there has to be some rules with a pen but they should have just left it, it didn't need reinforcing, how many times do you ever hear fans or even mangers complain about a penalty being taken?

WHU(Exeter) 11:53 Wed Aug 21
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Football is the most popular spectator sport in the world for a number of reasons. VAR will slowly but surely hugely diminish one of those very important reasons.

The mindset of those who introduced it, thinking that they could have a huge positive impact on something that was brilliant as it was, is the same kind of mindset that will stick with it despite it having a patently negative impact.

It is and always was going to be depressingly shit.

Gazza_AZ 3:45 Wed Aug 21
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I have to say personally - I like the new handball rule. And I did have a good laugh when Robbie Earle blasted it saying that it it shouldn't have been called because the players team didn't gain an advantage.
Er - they scored a goal - isn't that an Advantage.

Intentional Handball is a bookable offence - Unintentional handball that leads to an advantage is a free-kick, and so no goal. Its how the rule has always been written - but not enforced.
"It should only be a free-kick if the handball was intentional" - is bollocks and not what the rule says at all.

goose 3:19 Tue Aug 20
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there must be a better way of doing things.
as is VAR is shit.

the handball rule is completely bonkers.

Haz 3:17 Tue Aug 20
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I fucking hate it. It represents all that is wrong with football at the moment as the so-called football authorities try to eradicate every last ounce of passion from the game I love.

I expect the more nit-picking and fussy amongst us will love it.

Cunts, the lot of ya.

scott_d 3:00 Tue Aug 20
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Manuel 1:15 Sun Aug 18
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What's the consensus among the experts on here?

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FYI we are ALL experts.

Grumpster 12:14 Tue Aug 20
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Yes pogba can die, as I had rashford to score the 3rd goal of the game at a fairly juicy 10/1.

Also annoyed as Skybet had offered me Martial to score the 1st from a rashford pass at 24/1.

Well worth a fiver but I forgot to put it on.

VAR is massively wank.

Iron Duke 11:42 Mon Aug 19
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There are 2 problems. First, the offside rule is shit - it should be a clear offside or else the benefit should go to the attacking team. Secondly, VAR should only be used for obvious errors, violent conduct and mistaken identity.

Sven Roeder 11:22 Mon Aug 19
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VAR ruling on the penalty kick is in.
Pogba has been designated a MASSIVE ARROGANT CUNT for taking the pen off Rashford who scored one last week.
End of ruling

Takashi Miike 11:20 Mon Aug 19
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it's horrendous for everyone, it will kill the sport

Johnson 11:18 Mon Aug 19
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It was pretty shit watching on the box just then Ernest.

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