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Queens Fish Bar 11:40 Sat Jan 4
Next leader of The Labour Party
Who is your money on?

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JimmyT 11:59 Wed Apr 8
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terry-h

Starmer has dropped Chakrabarti from the shadow cabinet.

Fo the Communist 11:58 Wed Apr 8
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Kaiser Zoso 11:25 Wed Apr 8

No. It didn't sneak up on Labour - it was simply an insurmountable problem. The party found itself with its PLP, membership, CLPs and most the trade unions all in favour of remain. It had to choose whether to appease its own constituent parts or a sizable - but far from entire - section of it's voting base.

It was obvious all along that this quandary would be problematic for Labour (and other pro-EU parties) which is exactly why the Tories were so keen to frame it as 'The Brexit Election'.

The result - a nationalist upsurge that settled into a moderate political establishment.

ChillTheKeel 11:53 Wed Apr 8
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'Tear out of the poison' of 0.01% of the membership. Hysterical Zionist gimp.

Golden Oldie 11:51 Wed Apr 8
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Good article with some clues at to why Keir Starmer granted permission to stand as UK Labour leader without any opposition from the press.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/keir-starmer-elected-uk-labour-chief-apologizes-to-jews-for-party-anti-semitism/

Kaiser Zoso 11:51 Wed Apr 8
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Yeah, superficially the EU is a trading bloc, so I can see why you’d think that, zed

ChillTheKeel 11:42 Wed Apr 8
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zebthecat 11:35

I've already blamed Corbyn for his weakness, especially for caving in to the (we're blameless for fucking everything) out of touch, EUrophile centrists, like yourself.

So, who exactly is deluded?

zebthecat 11:37 Wed Apr 8
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Given the current situation it seems ludicrous, in hindsight, that whether we were in a trading block was seen as the single most important item on the poltical agenda for years.
It really isn't

zebthecat 11:35 Wed Apr 8
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ChillTheKeel 11:10 Wed Apr 8

You're delusional.
Corbyn was certainly an issue, what credibility he had was totally shot. Also the manifesto was a ludicrous wish list, some good and popular ideas in there but there was so much it was totally undeliverable. Making stuff up on the hoof (e.g. The WASPI women handout) didn't help.
And what Fo said.

ChillTheKeel 11:32 Wed Apr 8
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It would have done a damn sight better if the 2017 manifesto stayed in tact.

But when all was said and done, the PLP from its leadership to its backbenchers and its membership were vastly pro remain, completely out of touch with the country's mood, and that's what primarily cost them the election.

But I've seen no evidence of any lessons being leaned, with Starmer still refusing to accept Brexit - to the adulation of his FBPE cranks.

, 11:28 Wed Apr 8
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There are three thing worth considering about the next GE. It should be four years away so there is plenty of time.

In no particular order there will be no Brexit type issue, there will be no Corbyn as an obvious target ( by choosing Starmer Labour have a leader much more acceptable to non aligned voters ) and many more of the electorate will come to realise that apart from being able to win elections Bojo brings nowt else to the table.

Kaiser Zoso 11:25 Wed Apr 8
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What, the biggest peace time issue in several generations, that had been stagnating undemocratically in Parliament for 3 years, snuck up on an unsuspecting Labour leadership?

How unlucky

terry-h 11:23 Wed Apr 8
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Don't worry lads.
Baroness Chakrabarty will sort Labour out.

Fo the Communist 11:17 Wed Apr 8
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Chill. That's true but it was a gradual and incremental process. He was (even) more toxic - and to a wider base of the electorate - in 2019 that he was in the previous GE.

And as you know, Labour was always up shit creek without a policy on Brexit. It was screwed either way once it became framed as The Brexit Election.

ChillTheKeel 11:10 Wed Apr 8
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ChillTheKeel 11:10 Wed Apr 8
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Eh? Corbyn was demonised by the coup plotters in his own party and the MSM form day 1.

The key difference between 2017 to 2019 was the disastrous Brexit policy drawn up by the new apparent saviour of the Labour Party.

Fo the Communist 11:06 Wed Apr 8
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Chill - you may be right but the 2017 election had at least two major factors helping the Labour vote: Corbyn had not been completely demonised/found out (depending on your viewpoint) at that point plus you had a Tory Party that was utterly shambolic.

All old ground and academic though comrade - I can't see a Labour Government for a decade or so.

ChillTheKeel 10:52 Wed Apr 8
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Is it? Starmer has been a cert for the job for weeks. During those weeks Labour have lost 5 points in the polls. I'd be amazed if he gets even close to the 2017 GE.

Fo the Communist 10:48 Wed Apr 8
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Kaiser
We've got the 'liberal' PM with personal ratings through the roof and the leader of the opposition, a moderate in anyone's books, elected overwhelmingly by the membership of the largest political organisation in Europe.

How is that not the political establishment gathering back around the centre again?

Chill - revolting it may be to some but the party is already more electable - and that's the bottom line.

ChillTheKeel 10:37 Wed Apr 8
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I did laugh at snakes like Streeting. Phillips, Cooper, Kendall and Coyle being snubbed. Although those names only served to remind me just how revolting the modern day PLP is.

Kaiser Zoso 10:29 Wed Apr 8
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Yeah, they’ve been doing so well recently

Fo the Communist 10:28 Wed Apr 8
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So much for the death of the centre ground.

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