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CanningTownWA 2:18 Tue Feb 4
Moyes v Pellegrini (6 league games comparison)
Moyes 6 games against Pellergini's last 6

Moyes - 1 Win, 2 Draws, 3 losses, 5 points, 9-11 goals
Pellergrini - 2 Wins, 4 losses, 6 points, 4-10 goals

Well no new manager bounce apart from the 4-0 against a very poor Bournemouth and a worse league position.

My take, both past it managers and a poor squad, but I still think someone else could of got a tune out of them.
Dyke would have, but only suggesting him as he was rumoured.

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scott_d 10:31 Fri Feb 7
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That win rate of 29% was worse than Bilic's for that season when he took over too.

I do think it's a bit of a myth that Moyes did such a great job the first time round.

Irons10 1:59 Fri Feb 7
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Pelligrini's win percentage 38.98%

Moyes win percentage (1st spell) 29.03%

Moyes win percentage now 16.6%

Eerie Descent 1:01 Fri Feb 7
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'Such as Adrian, who´d be our first choice now'



*blinks*

Were there injuries to Fabianski and Randolph today?

Queens Fish Bar 12:41 Fri Feb 7
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One McAvennieeeeee 9:25 Wed Feb 5
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I don't think there's any point comparing Moyes to Pellers. It's clear as day who is the better manager. Look at their records ffs.

But I would certainly be looking at Moyes record over the last 3 years and wondering who the fuck thought it was a good idea to bring him into this club........for a fucking 2nd time.

Yup.

Queens Fish Bar 12:24 Fri Feb 7
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Peckham 10:58 Thu Feb 6

Appreciate your thought piece there.

kylay 12:21 Fri Feb 7
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gph 12:15 Fri Feb 7

I think that's right. too many square pegs for round holes. We've needed CDM forever and we keep buying wingers and miraculously the problem does not get better. we have also not had 2 proper fullbacks since fat sam. that and the appalling lack of pace have us where we are.

gph 12:15 Fri Feb 7
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Unbalanced is the word to use about the squad.

Yes, there are a few class players in there, but they've had the life sucked out of them by being in a team that just doesn't work.

If these class players had had the character they clearly don't, it would have taken longer to bring them down. Pretty sure we still would have managed it in the long term, though.

Peckham 10:58 Thu Feb 6
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The thing with Klopp and Guardiola players would want to play under them. Its whether they the managers would have been able to work for this board. On paper ignoring our vanity signings and injuries, we have got some good players. Neither Klopp or Pep would have stuck with Roberto for so many matches. They would have had a good number 2 lined up. Such as Adrian, who´d be our first choice now rather than doing well and playing with the potential League champions.
A good trophy winning manager or up and coming young gun from grass roots could turn us around and make a team out of the squad , under 23s and loans out ( which is what we have needed since El Pels manic spend first Summer ) if we was run so much better without GSB.
Even if Moyes pulls out a relegation miracle and we win a few and escape. What is there to look forward too next season. Getting to 10th............with the bland mediocre pasty past it Moyes.
Maybe I am harsh, to be offered the Man U job they must have seen something in him, then to last 10 months and get the sack, they obviously hands on saw something in him that doesn´t suggest he is a winner.
Dmitri Halajko with a first 11 of young guns, 11 players that chase down a ball and proud to wear the shirt. Even if this means starting again in the Championship.

boleyn8420 1:00 Thu Feb 6
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Moyes was the worst choice they could have made. All this shit about how bad the squad is is bollocks. There are some really good players in there. We just bitch and moan about how shit they are, doesn't make it true though does it. Look at the tune Wilder, Dyche, Hassenhuttle(however you spell it the kraut at Southampton) get out of, in my opinion, less talented squads.

Moyes though looks for 'inspiration' instead of managing the team properly. Let's hope Bowen proves to be that inspiration.

Dr Matt 12:47 Thu Feb 6
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Pardew > Moyes > Pellegrini

One McAvennieeeeee 9:53 Wed Feb 5
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Without looking it up, I assume he will need to out perform his career stats to keep us up?

Stats that have been on the decline for a long while now.

Eerie Descent 9:43 Wed Feb 5
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I don't think the 2 best managers in the world over the last 10 years, Klopp and Guardiola, could do better at West Ham than the worst manager in the world over the last 10 years.

It's an absolute abortion of an appointment, made by out of touch cunts. I blame them more than anything, but he's a dead manager, and its killed any chance we had of staying up.

Lee Trundle 9:29 Wed Feb 5
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I wonder if the owners and supporters of his will be looking at his record in the Championship almost 20 YEARS AGO as inspiration to keep him on after we've been relegated by him?

One McAvennieeeeee 9:25 Wed Feb 5
Re: Moyes v Pellegrini (6 league games comparison)
I don't think there's any point comparing Moyes to Pellers. It's clear as day who is the better manager. Look at their records ffs.

But I would certainly be looking at Moyes record over the last 3 years and wondering who the fuck thought it was a good idea to bring him into this club........for a fucking 2nd time.

lowermarshhammer 1:43 Wed Feb 5
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Going down.

Inevitable.

No great escape this time.

Can't blame the two managers too much.

Toxic ownership.

factory seconds 1:35 Wed Feb 5
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it's less rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic and more just throwing yourself overboard to get it over with.

geoffpikey 11:38 Tue Feb 4
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Was bored earlier, and read loads of analysis about "new manager bounce". While there's plenty of evidence it happens very short term, - 7 matches or so - there's more overwhelming evidence that - without significant change in playing staff, general set-up, club hierarchy - things go back to "normal" soon. Pretty much without exception.

Suppose you could argue that can currently be seen at Manchester Utd and Watford. They need fundamental overhaul, not just an initial bollocking that improved them.

Teams that have vastly improved under new mgmt - notably Liverpool - have had a huge change in personnel. Circa 4 regulars remain from 2016-17. Was same with Man City under Guardiola.

Sadly, Moyes' "bounce" thus far was to make us worse. And we've already tried a big bucks overhaul with Haller, Anderson et al though that lacked any real strategy.

On the bright side, we may revert to "normal" soon... being as shit as under Pellegrini. (Though that's unlikely in next month of fixtures.)

Ergo: we are fucked.

Irons10 11:33 Tue Feb 4
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Much rather have kept Pellegrini if we had known who the replacement would have been

Sir Alf 10:52 Tue Feb 4
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Yep seems Moyes replacing Pellegrini is the proverbial “Rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic”

Peckham 8:33 Tue Feb 4
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With a tin hat on. I'd have preferred EL Pel to stay. In the end the gallows humour, the dead bird man in a suit etc. I smiled but felt bad for him. Even on his money. Hes always had success. GSB could have made him the fall guy if relegated. When Everton got Ancelotti and all we had interested was Moyes made me think just better off letting El Pel dig us out the grave he started. The board should have been on to loan signings and filling gaps and the squad from the day they were considering to replace El Pel.
It would have been the first time he had relegated a club and I'm sure he would have spent night and day preventing his first.
With all that's come out about being run like a fruit and veg stall, maybe he took as much as he could and was happy to walk * get sacked.
But we were in dire straights from that day. Moyes no doubt would have been in contact with Sullivan after his first time as manager. Moyes should have * considering the cunt said he was returning home * should have been watching every West Ham game and come back knowing exactly what's needed and plan to get the team playing as a team. All loans and deals the board should have been on this big time the day El Pel left. Not last Friday.
As much as the majority on here are pissed off with EL Pel and the squads he has left ,he managed us with dignity and as proved the queue to manage us and work with GSB is very limited.
So fair play ELPeL. In world football he will always be a bigger winner than Moyes despite Moyes having many more years in him.
Cant also help but think if it wasnt for Robertos fuck ups and lack of a decent number 2 goalie El Pel would still be here.
Coyis

gph 8:16 Tue Feb 4
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8 game comparison should be interesting.

Moyes is two Ratched's away from being the clear winner...

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