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Exiled In Surrey 2:53 Wed Feb 12
Met police deploy live facial recognition technology
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/11/met-police-deploy-live-facial-recognition-technology


Cameras used at east London shopping centre despite experts warning against them.



The Metropolitan police have been accused of defying the warnings of its own watchdogs by beginning operational use of facial recognition CCTV, despite a scathing assessment of its effectiveness from the expert hired to scrutinise its trials.

On Tuesday, thousands of shoppers in east London were scanned by van-mounted cameras pointed at the doors of the Stratford Centre retail complex, in what a senior police officer at the scene described as an “intelligence-led” deployment.


What is facial recognition - and how do police use it?

Commander Mark McEwen, the Met’s lead on crime prevention, said Stratford had been chosen because it had been the scene of “public space violence”, and that there was support from the community for the police to use “whatever tactic we can to deal with violence”.

He said the face of each passerby was being scanned and checked against a watchlist of 5,000 biometric profiles of “people who are wanted for serious criminality, such as grievous bodily harm. There may be warrants [for their arrest], or they may be wanted by the courts, or they may be wanted by us for investigations.”


When the Guardian arrived, about two dozen uniformed officers stood in the area around the dark blue van on which the cameras were mounted. Some stood in small groups, peering at the smartphones to which alerts of any positive match would be sent. No one was stopped.



Signs around the van announced that “live facial recognition [LFR]” was in use, and that “there is no legal requirement for you to pass through the LFR system”.

However, Siân Berry, the co-leader of the Green party, visiting the operation, noted that by the time the sign was visible to passersby they were already in the cameras’ field of view.

“In theory I should be able to avoid having my face scanned,” she said. Some people covered their faces after seeing the sign.

“The police have gone ahead and used [facial recognition] in defiance of some serious warnings that have been issued by people like the information commissioner, the surveillance camera commissioner and the biometric commissioner,” Berry said.

Silkie Carlo, the director of the privacy rights group Big Brother Watch (BBW), stood by the van for much of the day with a placard saying “Stop facial recognition”.

She described the police operation as a tipping point. “If we let this slide, this is going to be the beginning of something much worse. If they are successful in rolling this out and the legal challenges don’t work we will see this on CCTV networks pretty soon.”


Carlo cited research by BBW that showed 93% of those stopped during all 10 public Met trials were wrongly identified. Last month, Prof Pete Fussey – an expert on surveillance from Essex University who conducted the only independent review of the Met’s trials on behalf on the force – found it was verifiably accurate in just 19% of cases.

McEwen contested the statistics. “We are content that through the tests that we have carried out that false positives are one in a thousand,” he said, referring instead to the number of false positives among the total number of people who had walked past the cameras in the trials.

The Met did not answer questions about how Tuesday’s operational use of facial recognition technology differed from previous trial uses.

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Hammer and Pickle 11:41 Thu Feb 13
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You've got too many personalities talking to cope with actual people on the train, innit Batz.

Nurse Ratched 11:36 Thu Feb 13
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"No one ever talks on the train in this country"




Thank god.

yngwies Cat 11:20 Thu Feb 13
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Glad it's Facial and not live Fecal recognisation.
Could get messy.

On The Ball 11:02 Thu Feb 13
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1964 10:50 Thu Feb 13

Have people ever talked on the train?

Vexed 10:56 Thu Feb 13
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Nothing wrong with deploying this technology, all the complaints seem to be around how the authorities have acted upon the information received. Cunts will be cunts regardless of technology, as ever people are the problem.

joe royal 9:38 Thu Feb 13
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1964 10:50 Thu Feb 13
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Smartphones have turned people into zombies. I was observing on the train yesterday that nearly all were either tapping away or head buried in there phones. No one talking to each other..


No one ever talks on the train in this country, a few years ago their heads would be buried in a book or a newspaper , now it’s all on a smart phone.

tanman 3:36 Thu Feb 13
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What is the problem with this? I reckon it is aimed at black gangs causing trouble, football fans are the least of the problem.

ornchurch ammer 11:43 Thu Feb 13
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If football supporters have to suffer this then why shouldn't the general public? Probably more offenders at Westfield than the football anyway.

1964 10:50 Thu Feb 13
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Smartphones have turned people into zombies. I was observing on the train yesterday that nearly all were either tapping away or head buried in there phones. No one talking to each other..

Mike Oxsaw 10:46 Thu Feb 13
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Facial Recognition is far more advanced than the authorities in the UK are letting on.

Furthermore, there's software that picks people up by their gait (style of walking), physique and a few other less emotive body language characteristics.

Combine those with your absolutely-must-have-on-me-at-all-times smartphone tracking your movements to within a few feet 24 hours a day and Facial Recognition alone is a minor issue.

ATBOG 9:23 Thu Feb 13
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The fact that he’s walked past clearly masking his face from recognition. It gives us grounds to stop him,” an officer says, defending his actions.

Time to dust off the old niqab. I bet no copper will dare stop me.

factory seconds 1:37 Thu Feb 13
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data will be worth more than oil in the future. between facial recognition, smart meters, amazon echos and every cunt app trying to access your smartphone it's all a race to mine as much as they can on you, package it up and sell it to the highest bidder.

chim chim cha boo 1:17 Thu Feb 13
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'For all the potential to fight crime, however, the trial quickly stumbled into the thorny issues that surround the technology.

A bearded man in a blue baseball cap approached the surveilled area, with his grey jumper pulled up to cover his face. He had just been informed by a bystander that the police were testing facial recognition in the area and did not want to participate.

The police demanded that he comply and scanned his face with a facial recognition tool on a mobile phone. Although his face did not match that of any known criminals, a verbal altercation ensued, which resulted in the man being fined £90 for telling an officer to “piss off”. The entire incident was caught on camera by journalists.

“The fact that he’s walked past clearly masking his face from recognition. It gives us grounds to stop him,” an officer says, defending his actions.

The incident — one of four arrests of people avoiding the cameras in Romford that day — is one of the reasons that live facial recognition is causing such acute concern among observers and civil rights activists. Given that the technology is such an overt form of surveillance, many believe that explicit consent of citizens is fundamental — something the Romford man never gave'.

A similar thing happened at Upton Park a few years ago.

I sat near an older bloke with Downs Syndrome and his carer who was much younger. It was fucking freezing and the old bill were filming supporters with video cameras (as it was against Cardiff or some other match that it sometimes kicked off in).

3 coppers stormed up the stairs and demanded that the bloke with Down took the scarf off that was around his face to keep the wind off.

His carer was pleading that it was his disabled uncle but of course they didn't give a fuck. It nearly started a mini riot as everyone seemed to know the old boy who got really distressed.

'If you've done nothing wrong you've got nothing to worry about' didn't seem to apply that day.

joe royal 1:08 Thu Feb 13
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Is this proof that they all look the same in 90% of cases?

southbankbornnbred 12:58 Thu Feb 13
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Like the idea that the police will try to design biometric algorithms based on a trial in Stratford.

I grew up nearby, like many WHOers, and if anyone is designing programmes based on the “average” look of someone from Stratford, then the world is in serious fucking trouble.

Police e-fits will never be the same again.

bruuuno 12:53 Thu Feb 13
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I think it makes me look mysterious

gank 12:50 Thu Feb 13
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What, for fun?

bruuuno 12:49 Thu Feb 13
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I do that anyway

gank 12:47 Thu Feb 13
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Jut out your jaw and flare your nostrils at the same time to fool these things.

On the downside you look like a caveman but that's a small price to pay.

. . 12:27 Thu Feb 13
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I feel that the portable body scanners they tested at Stratford would be of more use, If you detect hidden knife/gun you are 90% certain a criminal offence is being committed.
There own research says that 90% of people detected was wrong.

Obviously all pretty much pointless when courts don't punish offenders properly

Westside 12:19 Thu Feb 13
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If you've done nothing wrong, what is there to worry about?

In that case you won't object to CCTV in your home, to show you are not a wife beater or a kiddie fiddler.

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