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Far Cough 11:24 Sat May 9
The Shadows: Influential musically or not?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdU5BsKdGCc


I liked them, they probably established the group format as in lead guitar, rhythm, bass and drums

Didn't reinvent themselves at the time of the Mersey beat generation

Savage is my favourite track

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yngwies Cat 12:44 Sat Jun 27
Re: The Shadows: Influential musically or not?
Ahh seeing Def Leppard at the Monsters of Rock at Donnigton
First UK gig for Rick Allen and his one arm, was a emotional gig. Was right down the front for that.

happygilmore 12:10 Sat Jun 27
Re: The Shadows: Influential musically or not?
bland piped music for people in nursing homes. hang your head in shame cough.

Far Cough 8:43 Wed Jun 24
Re: The Shadows: Influential musically or not?
Nice to hear Brian May induct Def Leppard in the rock and roll Hall of Fame

Any Old Iron 12:43 Tue Jun 23
Re: The Shadows: Influential musically or not?
In 1961, as a seven year old I bought my very first record - Shadows to the Fore. A four track EP with a superb glossy cover that I still proudly own. All four tracks still sound great.

But to ask if they were influential is just daft as any fool knows that they influenced loads of astists. Even the Grateful Dead listed them on one of their albums as a major influence.

zebthecat 9:23 Mon Jun 22
Re: The Shadows: Influential musically or not?
lab 8:43 Mon Jun 22

That's the only one that springs to mind. I love it though.

I stopped chasing that sound when I bought the ultimate distortion last year when I found it!
I'd love the wall of Orange amps to go with it but that's never going to happen.

lab 8:43 Mon Jun 22
Re: The Shadows: Influential musically or not?
Far Cough 10 :51
Possibly Brighton Rock off Live Killers?

Bungo 7:53 Mon Jun 22
Re: The Shadows: Influential musically or not?
El Scorchio 7:42 Mon Jun 22

I've finally beaten my 'habit'. I know now that if I buy something in order to get 'that' sound, I will likely be disappointed, and nobody else listening will either be able to tell or care!

At least now when I waste money on something I don't need, I do it with my eyes open and justify buying whatever it is, just because I want it!

El Scorchio 7:42 Mon Jun 22
Re: The Shadows: Influential musically or not?
I've genuinely contemplating getting one a couple of times!
I know I won't like him regardless, but it produces just the most wonderful tone....

I love the story about how these pedals came to exist, with the bloke searching for years for Angus' 'trick' and then eventually discovering the Schaffer unit with it's magic boost dial, then cracking it, getting schematics, and getting someone to reverse engineer it into the pedal!

A true story of obsession and perseverance which ended up paying off.

Bungo 7:33 Mon Jun 22
Re: The Shadows: Influential musically or not?
El Scorchio 6:15 Mon Jun 22

When they were recording Back In Black, apparently Angus wasn't completely happy with his tone until he used his wireless system in the studio to get the same signal path as he was used to on stage. You can now get a replica that recreates this.

You still won't sound like Angus though! :)

https://solodallas-shop.com/products/schaffer-replica-ex-tower-by-solodallas

El Scorchio 6:15 Mon Jun 22
Re: The Shadows: Influential musically or not?
Bungo 5:43

They totally are- even if some of them get a bit techy for me as well. I get lost a bit with compression and noise gates and this and that, but it's really interesting to see amp and FX setups, and also to get the stories from the tech guys.

I also love that Angus' setup is just guitar->wireless system with boost->amp. So simple, and what a tone!

Takashi Miike 5:54 Mon Jun 22
Re: The Shadows: Influential musically or not?
weller had a great guitar tech called dave liddell (no longer with us), who he'd often allow join in on certain songs. here he's playing the lead on 5th Season


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vIig3QSOa3Q

Bungo 5:43 Mon Jun 22
Re: The Shadows: Influential musically or not?
El Scorchio 5:21 Mon Jun 22

Rig rundowns are always interesting. Always interesting that people who have been around a long time generally seem to stick with what they know.

Always liked the fact that AC/DC have an 'amp guy' on the road, specifically to work on all the heads that Angus keeps blowing up. :)

Northern Sold 5:32 Mon Jun 22
Re: The Shadows: Influential musically or not?
I work with 4 blokes who are absolute axe heads... I can quite honestly sit there for half hour prattling on and will not have understood a word they said... one of them (a good mate) is self taught... was last with Eddie and the hot rods for about 15 years... another is classically taught... another worked in PMT music shop.. and the other one trades guitars as a hobby... I asked them if they had to all agree on one solo that they would say yup that's it .... they said it was Lindsey Buckingham doing Big Love... love this video... fuck knows how he does what he does

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWiBLHto_ik

El Scorchio 5:21 Mon Jun 22
Re: The Shadows: Influential musically or not?
Far Cough 4:42

That's completely true- a few people have sad that including May's guitar tech. It's him and his style every bit as much as the guitar. I think he said even if someone DOES use a sixpence they still don't sound the same.

Actually does anyone watch the rig rundowns on youtube? They are really, really excellent. I've pasted the Brian May, Angus Young and Edge ones below. Mainly techies talking but there's so much insight into sounds and setups:

May: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ_OamX-PA8
Edge: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDYfXvGuaL4
Angus: https://youtu.be/j5C7GKGxICg

I'm also going to do a massive shameless boast. I interviewed Brian May once and actually got to hold/play the guitar very VERY quickly. Probably one of the biggest thrills of my life.
He was a really nice bloke as well.

Bungo 5:04 Mon Jun 22
Re: The Shadows: Influential musically or not?
Northern Sold 4:48 Mon Jun 22

"love the riffs at the end of with or Without you..."

I seem to remember him once being interviewed saying that was his favourite guitar bit on the whole Joshua Tree album.

Bungo 4:55 Mon Jun 22
Re: The Shadows: Influential musically or not?
Far Cough 4:42 Mon Jun 22

A lot of experienced guitarists will tell you that 80% of someone's own sound is in their fingers. Having spent decades and tens of thousands of pounds chasing (largely unsuccessfully), particular sounds by buying various guitars, amps and effects units, I think this is absolutely true.

There are so many nuances in the way each individual plays that the equipment will just replicate those nuances. Still, the musical equipment industry depends on people chasing 'the sound'.

There's a video somewhere of Joe Satriani playing a cheap Chinese guitar through a cheap amp. Still sounds like Satriani.

Northern Sold 4:54 Mon Jun 22
Re: The Shadows: Influential musically or not?
Just beautiful...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0L7cI9vRGg

Northern Sold 4:48 Mon Jun 22
Re: The Shadows: Influential musically or not?
`I always think The Edge gets stick for being really minimalist and un-flashy, but he is totally in tune with the songs, and plays as little as necessary. I love the middle solo in 'One', all five seconds of it. Blink and you miss it`.



It's the Upney hospital that's in him... agree would rather hear something spine tingling than some 5 minute boring as fuck solo... love the riffs at the end of with or Without you and Please... decent and talented human being is the Upney boy

Far Cough 4:42 Mon Jun 22
Re: The Shadows: Influential musically or not?
Agree, May has a unique sound, I think it was Steve Vai had a go on Brian's Red Special and he said it sounded nothing like him. Maybe he didn't use a sixpence as a pick?

Bungo 3:37 Mon Jun 22
Re: The Shadows: Influential musically or not?
Takashi Miike 3:33 Mon Jun 22

I wouldn't be surprised if one emerges eventually, but I would expect this to still be several years away. I would imagine they'll want to reflect with a bit more distance time-wise.

Takashi Miike 3:33 Mon Jun 22
Re: The Shadows: Influential musically or not?
bungo, I've watched that a few times and loved it, one of the best music docs. I still think there's legs for a personal book from the remaining pair :.)

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