WHO Poll
Q: 2019/20 With seven games to go will West Ham stay up
a. Our demise was sealed when the idiots on the Board appointed Moyes, we're down
31%
  
b. Despite the efforts of Moyes and the players, we will stay up by the smallest of margins
43%
  
c. I'm beyond caring & couldn't give two hoots either way
26%
  



Sniper 12:43 Fri Jun 26
Klopp v Guardiola - could either turn us around right now?
In a fantasy world where we could choose either manager with the current crop of players, would either of these two actually be able to give us an upturn in fortunes?

For me, much as I think Guardiola is an excellent coach, a lot of what he does seems to be around refining and improving already superb players. He inherited brilliance at Barcelona and took over a ridiculously talented team at Bayern, and again at Man City. But in our league he still had to spend £200m plus to turn a team that we’re champions before he got there into champions again. He really seems to have to find players that suit his particular style and only the best ones

Klopp seems to be able to improve anyone. He adds shed loads of fitness and motivation to all his players, turning whatever he has into a cohesive unit first and adding whatever skill and flair he can around that.

I can’t see Guardiola getting our lot playing tikka tikka style, but klopp would certainly improve us a lot.

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Jim C 7:24 Sat Jun 27
Re: Klopp v Guardiola - could either turn us around right now?
Klopp has the man management skills to motivate even our lot I imagine.

Tactically- our players do not have the ability nor intelligence to cope with either of their methods.

zico 1:54 Sat Jun 27
Re: Klopp v Guardiola - could either turn us around right now?
Not sure either could do much with what we have at the moment. It's all about Manager and Board singing from the same hymn sheet and I don't think we have had that for years. Klopp realised at Liverpool he needed a keeper and a centre back and went and got the right ones. Guardiola knew he needed a keeper but it took him a couple to get it right as Bravo wasn't a hit.

At West Ham even the fans know we have needed pace for seasons but a manager still hasn't gone out and bought that. Yes we needed creativity but we end up with injury prone Yarmolenko or a show pony like Anderson. Recruitment simply has been a shambles.

Sir Alf 1:45 Sat Jun 27
Re: Klopp v Guardiola - could either turn us around right now?
Agree Hairy and Sven

There’s that old saying “the fish always rots from the head downwards”

Only thing I hope is that it might mean new owners if we stay down for an extended period?

HairyHammer 9:24 Sat Jun 27
Re: Klopp v Guardiola - could either turn us around right now?
Maybe they could, but they would have to teach our players how to fight and be professional first.
Moyes is shit i agree wrong fit whatever, but the players constantly fuck up, for a start they cannot defend for toffee and that is all Moyes is asking of them.

Sven Roeder 7:20 Sat Jun 27
Re: Klopp v Guardiola - could either turn us around right now?
That’s exactly right , shorty
These owners have no strategy or plan as to how the club should be run. Where we fit in the whole league and how we are going to maximise our performances.
They often bleat about having spent money but it’s all scattergun to get out of the latest crisis THEY have created. And speed our way to the next crisis.
You look at our management, our squad and our performances and you see no hint of what we are trying to create. No hint of moving forward and trying to create something as part of an overall strategy.
Just a shambles from top to bottom. And as in any industry or company that comes from incompetence at the top.

Grumpster 3:53 Sat Jun 27
Re: Klopp v Guardiola - could either turn us around right now?
Couple of incredible managers who would clearly improve us and get us winning games against the teams our squad should be beating.

But we all know the score, under the current owners they'd still only be able to have us at mid table.

RBshorty 3:13 Sat Jun 27
Re: Klopp v Guardiola - could either turn us around right now?
Nope. It’s basic plumbing. Shit trickles down. Nothing will change until ownership does. The SPIVS are incapable of running a top league club. They have proven that at Birmingham and us. They can’t. Or won’t invest in a foundation that would give a club a half chance of maintaining a half decent squad. Let alone any football success. And more importantly they have never sought or would seek anybody’s knowledge or skills on how to run a club better. And that lack of basic business management skills is becoming more and more obvious with each passing season.
So dreaming about weather Jurgen or Pep could make us better is a bit pointless. Because mangers like them only work with people who are prepared to listen to them. And are willing to change there ideas about running a club.

icwhs 8:21 Fri Jun 26
Re: Klopp v Guardiola - could either turn us around right now?
Who actually cares?

WHU(Exeter) 8:20 Fri Jun 26
Re: Klopp v Guardiola - could either turn us around right now?
What's Avram Grant up to?

Texas Iron 8:17 Fri Jun 26
Re: Klopp v Guardiola - could either turn us around right now?
Klopp could definitely do it...

Guardiola less so without Megamillions...

geoffpikey 3:43 Fri Jun 26
Re: Klopp v Guardiola - could either turn us around right now?
@Miike

Yes, Dyche is apparently unhappy with Burnley hierarchy for letting the contracts of key players (in his view) run down. Think they have a few who will be free agents come end of 19/20 season. One of whom is Joe Hart.

He's also frustrated with lack of funds. All according to THE DAILY MAIL.

https://mol.im/a/8457063

Now, whether that means he would jump at the West Ham manager job (given Ngakia saga) is a moot point!

Still, what Dyche might bring is a more sensible discussion than what Kloppety or Pep moneybags could achieve.

Gaffer58 3:32 Fri Jun 26
Re: Klopp v Guardiola - could either turn us around right now?
Agree with Sven, our players are just not capable of doing the basics well, it’s a bi5 like getting an electrician in who wires up a plug incorrectly, amazed that the top clubs have to pay £50 million plus just for a player who can pass and control a ball, hence us paying lesser fees get very basic players.

Full Claret Jacket 2:26 Fri Jun 26
Re: Klopp v Guardiola - could either turn us around right now?
Neither would make much difference to us as both require vast sums of money to be spent to get teams that can play how they want them to.

Klopp wants high energy sides and Pep more fluid technical players.

We just need a manager who can get the best out of whatever dross we've bought. If we buy players who have the right attitude, desire and some athletic and technical ability to start with then the jobs a bit easier.

Sven Roeder 1:10 Fri Jun 26
Re: Klopp v Guardiola - could either turn us around right now?
Peps teams are based on closing down, keeping the ball and passing passing passing with immaculate skills.
Our current players are incapable of doing that.

Klopp would add energy and improve some but imagine the level of energy, skills and work rate of our squad would make his beard fall out and leave him whimpering in a portacabin at the training ground.

Johnson 1:03 Fri Jun 26
Re: Klopp v Guardiola - could either turn us around right now?
Klopp would have more short term impact than Pep, however neither would make any real long term improvement to our fortunes as ultimately every manager that utter CUNT Sullivan has employed here has ended up being undermined by him and presented with SHITE in the transfer market because Sullivan and his divvy kid play Director of Football with their favoured agents.

Favoured agents who make a nice little donation to the Women's Team off the back of the deals.

The midget gobshite cunt has already started undermining Moyes by leaking out through that wheezing windbag ExEmployee that Dyche is on the radar and would be willing to talk.

Remember when the cunts did this with O'Neill when Uncle Avram was here.

They never ever learn so until they sell or die any manager stupid or prideless enough to sign up will fail.

Takashi Miike 1:00 Fri Jun 26
Re: Klopp v Guardiola - could either turn us around right now?
can't believe a thing I hear or read in the media but I'm sure I heard someone on TS say dyche was unsettled and thinking about his future

Hammer and Pickle 12:59 Fri Jun 26
Re: Klopp v Guardiola - could either turn us around right now?
With these owners, neither would and never will.

Get rid of the owners and even Moyes could see this squad comfortably mid-table.

Brady and the Daves are wideboy accountant spivs and provide a textbook example how not to run any large business outfit handling large revenue streams.

Sydney_Iron 12:57 Fri Jun 26
Re: Klopp v Guardiola - could either turn us around right now?
FFS.

Odds on our next manager is Steve fucking Bruce.

You know. the fella that celebrated like he had just won the PL when we got relegated at of all places Birmingham in 2003.

thats our future, our next level...............

El Scorchio 12:55 Fri Jun 26
Re: Klopp v Guardiola - could either turn us around right now?
I should add 'barring a big money takeover or a miracle one in a million Leicester season'

gank 12:54 Fri Jun 26
Re: Klopp v Guardiola - could either turn us around right now?
Guardiola specialises in going to one of the richest clubs in a country where he first inherits and then attracts some of the best players in the world, then refines them into a dream team to win everything.

Klopp hasn't exactly roughed it on his coaching journey either but he specialises in taking a group of decent players and turning them into crafters who work for each other which takes the team up a level.

Therefore Guardiola would be largely useless for us and wouldn't be able to make anything of the squad, nor afford to bring in the only types of player with whom he has ever worked. Klopp would get our lot playing better football with much-needed heart and desire - and workrate - which would perhaps see us comfortably mid table before he's even looked at the transfer market.

He's a dislikeable horse-toothed cunt though and a bit of a prat with it and I wouldn't be able to take to him.

El Scorchio 12:54 Fri Jun 26
Re: Klopp v Guardiola - could either turn us around right now?
They'd do better- clearly both have good systems and tactical awareness.

BUT you need the right players to play the kind of game either of those two do and at the level they compete. Those players will never be available to us. At least not in the fashion where we can hang on to them for more than a season or two let alone build a team round them.

Don't forget Klopp spent 140 million quid on a goalie and a centre back. Could he win the league with Man U or Chelsea? Possibly. Could he win it with us, Villa or Watford, barring a big money take over? Absolutely not.

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