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zebthecat 12:57 Thu Jul 23
RIP Tim Smith
I douubt many her willl have heard of Cardiacs but they were one of the few bands that really got into my bones and I was privieged to be in a band that supported a couple of times.
He was a uniquely British songwriter of a genre all his own.
Not my quote but "We have lost the Home Counties Beefheart" sums it up.

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Eindhoven Hammer 1:28 Mon Jul 27
Re: RIP Tim Smith
Tim Smith? I thought it was the bloke who licks Steve Wright’s arse on Radio 2.

Takashi Miike 1:21 Mon Jul 27
Re: RIP Tim Smith
for one year in 2005, the band kept a diary. here are the results (very funny) :.)


https://www.cardiacs.net/diary/

gridbasher 8:54 Sat Jul 25
Re: RIP Tim Smith
A very sad loss, I was lucky enough to see them a good few times, one of my best ever gigs is still a top night at the Clarendon in '85 Ten Pole Tudor, Cardiacs, Blyth Power and The Janitors an outstanding gig, and unfortunately Tim's original episode occurred uncomfortably close to him seeing My Bloody Valentine play an unbelievably loud set
:-(

joey5000 5:49 Sat Jul 25
Re: RIP Tim Smith
I unfortunately got into Cardiacs after their touring days. Sing to God is a near perfect album.

Bungo 8:08 Sat Jul 25
Re: RIP Tim Smith
zebthecat 11:36 Fri Jul 24

Cheers. Orange are one of the brands I haven't tried. I am currently experimenting with Zilla cabs who make anything you want including removable back panels so you can use them open or closed back. Have 3 I use in different combinations depending on the gig.

SunnO))) are bonkers. The only band you can see live, miss the first three songs and only miss hearing three chords. :)

I think the loudest band I have seen (other than Motorhead of course), are My Bloody Valentine. Strangely Deep Purple were also uncomfortably loud. It was mainly the Hammond which must cover frequencies my ears are particularly sensitive to?

Trying to preserve what's left of my hearing these days. :)

zebthecat 11:36 Fri Jul 24
Re: RIP Tim Smith
Orange open backs might do the trick for you. They fire a lot of volume out the back to spread around off whatever wall you park it in front of.

zebthecat 11:33 Fri Jul 24
Re: RIP Tim Smith
Bungo 10:36 Fri Jul 24

I have seen a couple of bands that REALLY do that. SunnO))) and Sleep both at the Concord 2 in Brighton. Google their backlines, it is staggering.
I thought Motorhead were loud until I saw SunnO))). Your entire body vibrates.

Bungo 10:36 Fri Jul 24
Re: RIP Tim Smith
zebthecat 11:17 Thu Jul 23

That's something I've always been a bit envious about with bass when there isn't much going through the PA. The sound always seems to spread out better.

I've experimented with countless guitar set-ups over the years, but you don't seem to be able to get away from guitar cabs being really directional. People are going deaf standing in front of it while those to the sides say they can barely hear it.

I have thought about experimenting with perspex screens round the amps a la Joe Bonamassa, but I feel turning up with those for a pub gig would be a bit wank?

zebthecat 11:17 Thu Jul 23
Re: RIP Tim Smith
It also meant you could really fill the room on backline alone. I had a trace Eliot 300W head and usually played with a 4x10 but used to hire a Fender 2x15 as extra low end oomph off Rockbottom for the night when we played the Cartoon.
Man that was fucking loud.

zebthecat 11:12 Thu Jul 23
Re: RIP Tim Smith
And yes the ceiling in the Cartoon was really low. On a good night you could see the sweat condensing on the walls.

zebthecat 11:09 Thu Jul 23
Re: RIP Tim Smith
Bungo 10:50 Thu Jul 23

Used to rehearse there.They had three underground studios round the back. The food from the kebab shop next door was delicious.

Bungo 10:50 Thu Jul 23
Re: RIP Tim Smith
zebthecat 10:38 Thu Jul 23

I seem to remember a really low ceiling in the Cartoon? Probably added to the heat in there.

I can't recall ever playing anywhere else in Croydon but I did get a couple of guitars from Rockbottom. :)

zebthecat 10:38 Thu Jul 23
Re: RIP Tim Smith
Bungo 10:26 Thu Jul 23

I played at the Cartoon a lot too. Started supporting the Hamsters and eventually headlined a few times. One of the sweatiest venues I have ever played but always rammed.

The band I was in that supported Cardiacs used to play at The Star regularly. They only charged Ł50 to rent out the back room and once we'd sorted a PA (we used the same guy every time as he both had a decent rig and was a great sound man) you could charge three quid on the door and we made a fair bit on those ones as we could pack that room out.

Bungo 10:26 Thu Jul 23
Re: RIP Tim Smith
zebthecat 10:14 Thu Jul 23

Good to hear that. Have supported many in the past who thought they were 'it' when they usually weren't!

Glad that the crowd were open minded too. I imagine that they attracted a fair number of die-hards that might have given ANY support a hard time.

Can't recall playing at The Underground. We must have played The Cartoon in Croydon countless times, often with Paddy Goes To Holyhead or one of their many offshoots.

zebthecat 10:21 Thu Jul 23
Re: RIP Tim Smith
GO

You're not wrong there as they so many absolute stormers.
This is my favourite today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-dd4fMUhAY

Over and out.

They didn't play it live for years. I was in a band with their drummer, Bob Leith, for a year or so and asked him about it but he told me that Tim said it would be impossible to do justice to live.
Lo and behold a year later they bloody well did in spades.

zebthecat 10:14 Thu Jul 23
Re: RIP Tim Smith
Bungo 11:37 Thu Jul 23

Supporting them was a breeze. I was a bit overawed whe we shared a dressing room with them the first time but Tim said hello, the crowd really got into our songs (punky psych) and after our set with them all changed into their Salvation Army gear Tim and Sarah came over and said they really liked our set and we chatted while their crew cleared our gear off the stage.
Next time we played that venue (Croydon Underground) we were asked to support them again and chatted with Tim and Sarah again "glad to have you back".

Golden Oldie 10:11 Thu Jul 23
Re: RIP Tim Smith
A Little Man And A House And The Whole World Window now gone, no more.
A true genius and talent in a time where only mediocrity and sucking Satan's cock moves you up in the game.

The Cardiacs are probably the best band you've never even heard of.

One of the best comments I read after hearing this news was "if you asked every Cardiacs fan to list their top 100 songs from the band, they'd all disagree."
So I'll just link the most accessible song that fits

Cardiacs Is This The Life?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZaqYkkYK4I

Rest easy Tim, it's a far better place you're now in then where you've just left.

dm 9:27 Thu Jul 23
Re: RIP Tim Smith
I saw them live three times.
The first time was as support to Marillion.

then two more gigs in 1990 and 1996

Bungo 11:37 Thu Jul 23
Re: RIP Tim Smith
zebthecat 12:57 Thu Jul 23

Wow. I would have thought supporting Cardiacs was one of the toughest support slots to play?

They were amazing. Not always easy to listen to but the musicianship and songwriting was utterly incredible. I never saw them live which is a big regret now.

RIP Tim.

chajonbubble 8:54 Thu Jul 23
Re: RIP Tim Smith
Gank, still a cunt then. Thanks as always for that insightful contribution. I really don't know how we would operate without your morale compass keeping us to one topic. You really are the most boring person on the site.

RIP Tim, a good talent

El Scorchio 3:33 Thu Jul 23
Re: RIP Tim Smith
That’s a shame. Wasn’t super into them but really like a couple of songs. I used to work with one of them as well.

He had health problems for a long time, didn’t he?

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