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RBshorty 3:11 Mon Dec 7
Dylan sell’s out.
Bob Dylan has sold he’s entire publishing catalog to Universal Music for a fee north of nine figures.


Times are Changing.

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Westside 12:14 Wed Dec 9
Re: Dylan sell’s out.
They do. But not all artists are writers and not all writers are artists.

Really? You don't say?

BRANDED 12:11 Wed Dec 9
Re: Dylan sell’s out.
West side. They do. But not all artists are writers and not all writers are artists.

Sniper 12:09 Wed Dec 9
Re: Dylan sell’s out.
I’m that’s a really good deal, especially when you think that he can’t even sing

Westside 12:04 Wed Dec 9
Re: Dylan sell’s out.
Record companies advance royalties to artists, as well.

BRANDED 11:27 Wed Dec 9
Re: Dylan sell’s out.
Publishers advanced earnings to writers. But I agree with your point.

Westside 11:06 Wed Dec 9
Re: Dylan sell’s out.
In the age of vinyl and the CD the vast majority of earnings were in the initial 18 months of release and required the whole manufacture and distribution costs.
Costs borne by record labels, not the owners of publishing catalogues.

BRANDED 10:46 Wed Dec 9
Re: Dylan sell’s out.
One of the big things in the digital age is that earnings are more predicable and regular. In the age of vinyl and the CD the vast majority of earnings were in the initial 18 months of release and required the whole manufacture and distribution costs. In streaming the income continues month in month out often increasing. The Jazz saxophonist John Coltrane is making far more money now than when he died in the late sixties. All that said, the figures quoted seem high but I’m sure they’ve run the numbers.

wanstead_hammer 10:15 Wed Dec 9
Re: Dylan sell’s out.
Wasn’t keen on Dylan.
Always preferred Florence and Dougal.

geoffpikey 10:02 Wed Dec 9
Re: Dylan sell’s out.
Surface,

The measurements have changed, that's part of the point. Official RIAA data now includes streaming as a sale. Albeit with adjustments due to revenue differences.

So, in the US 1500 streams = 10 'physical' tracks = 1 album sale.

So far, so what? Well, officially - according to the RIAA - Taylor Swift, under these current has already "sold" more albums than Bob Dylan over their respective careers. By some margin, too. And that's 59 albums in Dylan's catalogue Vs Swift's 8. Neither are close to The Beatles. ( That also addresses your point Sven.)

I'm not intending to make a massive point. Just seems a bit of a trophy purchase by Universal to me. Understandable. The company probably has 50-60 yr olds running the show. Good luck to them. Bob's laughing and is always for sale.

Sven Roeder 8:39 Wed Dec 9
Re: Dylan sell’s out.
I think Spotify figures are a little misleading.
They will be skewed towards what millennials listen to ... Swift , Sheeran & boy bands like One Direction & the Beatles

Dylan can cash out if he wants as it’s his music & given he has been selling whiskey or bourbon then he is obviously keen on a buck when it’s on offer
Will be interesting to see what they DO do with advertising. Agree his music doesn’t translate as well to advertising ear worms like the Beatle catchy little tunes but the over 50’s are the ones with the money compared to skint millennials so it’s a market of interest.

And yes Blood on the tracks is a brilliant album

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 8:13 Wed Dec 9
Re: Dylan sell’s out.
Those figures of GP's are interesting.

However, it's long term game. Who believes that Swift, Sheeran and Gaga will be outselling the Beatles in 20 years time?

The value is the npv of all projected future revenues, innit.

Vexed 12:29 Tue Dec 8
Re: Dylan sell’s out.
Might as well, he's gonna be dead soon anyway. At least it's on his terms rather than the vultures doing it later.

Proper overrated cunt though. Even so, a non entity and non musician like that fucking plagiarising ginger megacunt Ed fucking Sheeran getting more listens a month is a disgrace. The bloke personifies everything that is wrong with the world.

eusebiovic 12:07 Tue Dec 8
Re: Dylan sell’s out.
It's hardly news is it?

Not too long ago I'm pretty sure he was making music for Starbucks on an imprint record label with their name on to play in their poor excuses that pass for a genuine café...

BRANDED 11:31 Tue Dec 8
Re: Dylan sell’s out.
This is a deal that wouldn’t have happened five years ago. Streaming revenues has changed everything.

threesixty 11:25 Tue Dec 8
Re: Dylan sell’s out.
I think music publishing as an asset has been more lucrative than any bond you can invest in. Streaming is a game changer as eventually anywhere in the world a song is played it will have to be accounted for (and subsequently paid).
That hasn't happened before. The whole point of PRS was to run around the world and collect money. Thats not as hard as it used to be.

From Universal's point of view its like buying a high yielding bond for the next 50-100yrs. Since they extended copyright for practically ever, its a a good look for them. Better than any investment they could make normally.


Universal will be around for another 50 yrs, Dylan won't. Get your money now etc..

geoffpikey 11:09 Tue Dec 8
Re: Dylan sell’s out.
It's interesting. Music business has changed so much. Dylan will ALWAYS sell actual product to his faithful (though their numbers are declining) and maybe he has plans for numerous new albums. I somehow doubt that though. He'll be 80 next year.

Licensing, syndication, streaming are the future revenues for rights owners. On Spotify, for example...

Dylan 10m monthly listeners
The Beatles 22m
Taylor Swift 39m
Lady Gaga 40m
Ed Sheeran 50m

Not suggesting this is righteous, but it is fact. Dylan has also licensed a hell of a lot already. His best known songs. Any more money to be wrung from the rest of the rag? Bob's videos are going to earn pish on YTube. He'll never be in video games. Who knows. He's cashed in wisely.

Far Cough 9:52 Tue Dec 8
Re: Dylan sell’s out.
Surf, and of course Mr Tambourine Man

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 9:28 Tue Dec 8
Re: Dylan sell’s out.
geoffpikey

I love Blood on the Tracks, but there is a lot of truth in your post. My kids (late 20s) would probably recognise Blowin in the Wing, Knockin on Heavens Door and maybe, at a pinch, All Along the Watchtower, but not much more.

geoffpikey 9:02 Tue Dec 8
Re: Dylan sell’s out.
Good deal for Dylan. Seems madness by Universal.

Dylan's fanbase is dying off. His lyrics may be sometimes smart but the actual music isn't, really. His art won't last like The Beatles, as just one example of that era. Their advantage? Memorable melodies, complexity, fun, not too smart for their own good. And they could sing.

I can't imagine many people under 30 really know anything about Bob Dylan, let alone actually care. I'm in my 50s now and I have NEVER cared about the droning old crow, really. He's fucking dull.

It MAY be a good deal in the sense that there'll be loads of adverts featuring his songs COVERED (to make them sound palatable). Dignitas ads: soundtracked by Amanda Holden trilling Knocking On Heaven's Door. Win.

Which will actually enrage Dylan fans. How wonderful.

* Reels away.

Mex Martillo 8:55 Tue Dec 8
Re: Dylan sell’s out.
I agree Texas.
I have no problem with him cashing in. For sure he is doing it for his family and his will.

Texas Iron 7:45 Tue Dec 8
Re: Dylan sell’s out.
Sheer Poetry...

One. Of a Kind...

Immortal Body of Work...

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