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Yarmouth 10:07 Fri Dec 11
Haller - Gone To Ajax
We're becoming a good side now. Relegation should'nt be a problem now, but to kick on to a solid top 10 side Moyes has to solve the problem with Haller. He doesn't do anything particularly well. Yes he'll score every now and then but as an all round prom striker - very poor indeed.

Shame, but he's not up to the job and will hold us back from progressing.

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Nagel 9:00 Thu Nov 25
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Mattie Mulshun 8:37 Thu Nov 25

England have 3 stand out teams in the CL; the same 3 teams who are clearly the best in the PL and will easily finish top 3. Man Utd had one of the easiest groups in the competition which they just scraped through and even lost to Young Boys.

I don't see how any of that equates to the CL being miles below the PL, especially as it's a bit of an apples to oranges comparison anyway, given that it's a cup competition with 32 teams.

Take the best 20 teams in the CL and they will all be far better than any of the worst 10 in the PL.

Darby_ 8:48 Thu Nov 25
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Yeah, look at the mugs who have been Champions League top scorers in previous seasons.

2020/21: Erling Haaland (Dortmund) 10
2019/20: Robert Lewandowski (Bayern) 15
2018/19: Lionel Messi (Barcelona) 12
2017/18: Cristiano Ronaldo (Real Madrid) 15
2016/17: Cristiano Ronaldo (Real Madrid) 12
2015/16: Cristiano Ronaldo (Real Madrid) 16
2014/15: Lionel Messi (Barcelona), Neymar (Barcelona), Cristiano Ronaldo (Real Madrid) 10

Haller definitely couldn’t have provided backup or competition for Antonio.

Mattie Mulshun 8:37 Thu Nov 25
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Is it just me or does anyone else feel the level of the CL is miles below the EPL? Scoring against Dortmund, (who are a bit of a One Man Rovers, when Wonderboy is out) Besiktas and Sporting ?

Premier clubs in the CL P 20 W 16 D 1 L 3 scoring 52 goals and that includes Man U !

Manuel 7:29 Thu Nov 25
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He's clearly a very good striker, that isn't even up for debate anymore. As for why we couldn't get the best out of him, well that's been done to death already, hasn't it.

I suspect Ajax will be flogging him for a tidy profit at some point.

Texas Iron 7:03 Thu Nov 25
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This question must be asked...

Why couldn't Moyes get this level of performance from Haller...???

threesixty 9:56 Wed Nov 24
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This feels like the twilight zone!

Fair play to him. Is he legitimately one of the worlds top strikers now?

France must be wondering what happened too… how did they let that go? It’s a funny old game lol

Side of Ham 9:54 Wed Nov 24
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...but he's shit, isn't he?...... :-)

collyrob 9:51 Wed Nov 24
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Champions league record breaker 😂

fraser 9:29 Wed Nov 24
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Alex G - He has the same demeanor for every team he's played for from what I've seen. It's just the way he is.

Admiral Lard 9:29 Wed Nov 24
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Been watching him this evening vs Besiktas. Came on at HT to replace the ineffective Daramy. Put a very decent shift in and scored a couple of goals.
Tadic is also playing and much better since he left the premier league

Jaan Kenbrovin 9:26 Wed Nov 24
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Another brace in the CL.

Good player.

Alex G 9:25 Wed Nov 24
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Nine goals in his first five Champions league matches.... the most of any player ever!

Still can't believe that's the same player who ambled around the pitch looking disinterested for us.

Fortunes Hiding 9:53 Mon Nov 15
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Good article about Ajax and mentions signing of Haller and how much Spurs have spent since they got to CL final.

Two and a half years ago, Ajax were beaten on the away goals rule by Tottenham in the Champions League semi-final.

Their European journey that season, which began against Sturm Graz in the second qualifying round, was stopped just short of a European final by a rule that no longer exists.

Along the way, Ajax went unbeaten in two group games against Bayern Munich, beat Real Madrid 4-1 and deposed Juventus in their own backyard.

The price they paid for that success was that their young team was plundered by sides across Europe.

In the film Moneyball, Oakland Athletics general manager Billy Beane calls his squad "organ donors for the rich". No football team in recent years has played that role better than Ajax.

Matthijs De Ligt, Frenkie De Jong and Kasper Dolberg, the spine of the team, went in the immediate aftermath of their loss to Spurs. Hakim Ziyech, Donny van de Beek, Sergino Dest and Joel Veltman departed the year after.

Barcelona, Juventus, Chelsea, Manchester United and others dismantled the Dutch club's squad player by player.

This was a team who punched above their weight in a way nobody had in European football since Porto won the Champions League in 2003-04.

With the players they lost, it would have been reasonable to expect the side to take years to rebuild.

And yet there has hardly been a more dominant team in the Champions League this season than Erik Ten Hag’s Ajax.

Borussia Dortmund, with arguably two of the best young players in the world in Erling Haaland and Jude Bellingham, turned up in Amsterdam and were beaten 4-0.

Sporting Lisbon, reigning Portuguese champions, were dispatched 5-1 on home soil. Besiktas were seen off 2-0.

In total, prior to last night’s return fixture against Dortmund, Ajax had played 14 times this season, scoring 48 goals and conceding three.

Out of the ashes, comes a phoenix.

Since their meeting in that fateful Champions League semi-final, Tottenham have racked up a net spend of £193.86 million, according to transfermarkt.co.uk. In contrast, in the same period, Ajax have made a net profit of £198.68 million.

Six weeks before Spurs were beaten 1-0 by Vitesse in the inaugural Europa Conference League, Ajax notched a 5-0 victory over the same opponents.

Of the 14 players to play for Ajax in that second-leg defeat to Tottenham, just three featured against Dortmund.

Ten Hag and Marc Overmars, director of football at the club, have set about rebuilding the squad from their prestigious academy and with shrewd recruitment.

Antony, Jurrien Timber and Ryan Gravenberch are cornerstones of this side, none of them older than 21.

Dusan Tadic, one of the few remaining from the 2018-19 side, got ten assists in his first 14 games this season. Sebastian Haller, who West Ham were happy to take a £25 million loss on in January, scored 13 in his first 14 matches and was top scorer in the Champions League after three games.

Of course, there are no guarantees that this Ajax side will get anywhere near as far in this year's Champions League as the 2018-19 squad did. But with a reported wage budget of just shy of £32 million a year, they have every chance of pushing the big spenders all the way.

For context, that wage bill is a few million short of Burnley’s and almost £200 million less than that of Manchester United. Once again, they have turned the tables on the big clubs in Europe.

Ten Hag and Overmars have been linked with a number of jobs in recent weeks, but it would be a shame not to see them banish the memory of the Spurs game and finish what they have started at Ajax.

In the age of the European Super League, spiralling wealth and resources concentrated at fewer and fewer clubs, it is reassuring to see that good coaching and recruitment can still lead to success.

Ajax’s most famous son, Johan Cruyff, once said: "Why couldn't you beat a richer club? I've never seen a bag of money score a goal." It seems his philosophy is alive and well.

angryprumphs 2:02 Mon Nov 8
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threesixty 1:48 Mon Nov 8

I agree with this, also the way he seems happy to use Bowen and didnt seem too fussed about getting another "striker" in. Antonio was a winger and still plays like one in a lot of case (running the channels etc).

The truth is that when Antonio was out last season, our points per game hardly dropped, especially when you compare it to when Rice was out.

threesixty 1:48 Mon Nov 8
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HITC Sevens has a good video called "Could Centre-Forwards Become Extinct"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFaGf456WtA&t=652s

I think it illustrates where Moyes' head is at. And one of the reasons Haller isn't here. And why he went for Lingard and Vlassic over another striker.

Moyes is a very modern manager nowadays contrary to his previous reputation.

Percy Dalton 12:01 Mon Nov 8
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Please mods lock this thread it's been flogged to death.

WSM Hammer 9:59 Mon Nov 8
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Didn't we have this with Ajeti when he scored in a load of games when he joined Celtic?
It's gone quiet now he hasn't scored for about 2 years 😂

scott_d 9:16 Mon Nov 8
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We need to stop this infatuation with Haller. It's embarassing.
We've discused it to death, let's just move on and not feel the urge to have the same conversation over and over again every time he scores for Ajax.

GreenStreetPlayer 9:10 Mon Nov 8
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The reason it didn’t work is because Haller only gave us 50%. For that I’m glad he fucked off.
With the current work rate imagine him in there now, well you couldn’t.

gph 2:30 Mon Nov 8
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Us + Haller didn't work. Can't be disputed.

The reason it didn't work might not be that Haller is useless.

Doesn't matter much. It didn't work. And what we've got now is working.

jfk 2:27 Mon Nov 8
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If only moyes had built the team around the mighty warrior Seb Haller who knows what could have been.

Fucking bone idle useless french cunt.

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