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Q: 2022/23 You are the Chairman what do you do with Moyes?
a. Stick with him obviously, he's delivered two good seasons back to back and will see us out of this dip in form
32%
  
b. If we're still lingering around the bottom three by the start of the WC then that's the time to get rid
29%
  
c. What are we waiting for 2 wins in the last 20 PL games is reason enough to sack him, go now
32%
  
d. I've just got my new Orange & White 3rd Kit with Moyesinho on the back, I can't wait to wear it down to the supermarket, they call me Mr West Ham around here
7%
  



sanfrancis-co-uk 6:01 Mon Dec 14
I received my hospital bill today......
$129,968

FOMB!

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Darby_ 9:48 Tue Dec 15
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This story pretty much sums up what it's like living in a shithole country like the US. White House employees getting COVID and having to set up crowdfunding campaigns to pay for their medical care.


"A White House official who fell ill with Covid-19 in September is recovering after three months in the hospital, though he lost his right foot and lower leg in his battle against the virus, according to a friend.

Bailey’s friends have raised more than $30,000 for his rehabilitation through a GoFundMe account. The White House declined to say whether Trump has contributed to the effort."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-14/white-house-official-recovers-from-severe-covid-19-friend-says

zebthecat 12:06 Tue Dec 15
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To the OP - Fucking Hell!

The health system (and you can only barely call it one it all) is the most inefficient on the planet giving woeful results at enormous cost. There is loads of redundency due to the spurious need for competition and the fact that most of it is an insurance industry with some healthcare grafted on.

Capitol Man 12:05 Tue Dec 15
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What gets me about the system is the bills you get years after the service.

My wife had a Basal cell removed in the summer of 2019. It was on her face and so involved a visit to the plastic surgeon after it was pulled out. He did a great job and you can't even tell they did anything there - but we got an additional bill for it a few weeks ago and have to tell them to fuck off.

VirginiaHam 11:34 Mon Dec 14
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Capitol Man 10:10 Mon Dec 14

The fact they charge you more in case they are shit is taking the medical system into the realms 'beyond cunty exploitationism'........can't think of anything better.

To add, in January of this year, I was in a bar and the bar stool I was sitting on collapsed underneath me. I'm 6 feet tall, 185 pounds and not fat.

The manager arrived with sheet of paper in her hand which described that once signed I'd agree I wasn't mortally injured.

I told her I'd think about signing when we left. Haha......of course, once she'd voided the bill, I didn't sign. 15 of us........ouch.

Tomsdad 11:11 Mon Dec 14
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Whilst we were in the US, Tomsmum had to have her gallbladder removed and the cost was something like $45,000, but i'm sure we only paid about $3,000, because of the work insurance plan she had.

Hermit Road 11:08 Mon Dec 14
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Sounds good to me

Lee Trundle 10:43 Mon Dec 14
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I'd like a hybrid of all 3.

Emergency care from the UK.
Specialist treatment (such as cancer) from the US.
Paid for by the European system.

Hermit Road 10:32 Mon Dec 14
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The NHS is an abysmal system, not as bad as the even more abysmal American system though.

Two extremes of shitness with loads of much better systems in between.

I’ve noticed that, when taking about the many faults of the NHS, the response is nearly always, ‘I suppose you want the American way of doing it then?’. I’d prefer one where you paid a bit, so the piss-takers couldn’t take the piss so much. Pretty much like any other country in Europe has.

Chigwell 10:21 Mon Dec 14
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I had a total hip replacement this morning on the NHS. It would have cost about £14 grand privately. I dread to think how much it would cost in the USA,. I know that the NHS spends a lot but most of us will use it for expensive treatment at some time in our life. The idea that it's a socialist conspiracy of some sort is nuts. Affluent Americans simply don't like the idea of their money being spent on those less well off than themselves.

Capitol Man 10:10 Mon Dec 14
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VirginiaHam 9:59 Mon Dec 14
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Also the fact that these are for-profit businesses that are paid for the amount of work they do. More is always going to be better.

Sending people for more tests is also common as it not only generates income, but it reduces the risk of litigation for not catching something.

sanfrancis-co-uk 10:09 Mon Dec 14
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I have a video appointment in a couple of weeks with a surgeon to get a hernia op,I’m gonna fuck it off now as I’m back on the hook for my total deductible come January 1st.

Sad state of affairs.

Capitol Man 10:09 Mon Dec 14
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Kaiser Zoso 7:53 Mon Dec 14
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Working on that scale makes you somewhere between vegetable and mineral - meaning you are more in need of a farmer or miner than a doctor - should save a bit.

VirginiaHam 9:59 Mon Dec 14
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nychammer 5:44 Mon Dec 14

You could have used steri (sp?) strips instead of a trip to hospital.

I do think part of the problem is that Americans are so fragile and focused on cosmetic perfection they get exploited by the medical world and get as much X-Rayed as possible.

Bizarre, when you consider the amount of damage they do to others.

VirginiaHam 9:49 Mon Dec 14
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nychammer 5:44 Mon Dec 14

Agree with your view on political change, but why is that going to change when the medical and pharma cunts effectively bribe US Senators and Congressmen with election donations?

It's beyond corrupt, yet legal.

VirginiaHam 9:46 Mon Dec 14
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Capitol Man 6:00 Mon Dec 14

The bottom line on US healthcare is you shouldn't need a calculator and a lawyer to decipher the Ts and Cs of your policy before deciding whether you can afford a couple of stitches.

Beyond fucked up.

Vexed 8:16 Mon Dec 14
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Fucking hell, hope the nurses were fit at least for that money.

sanfrancis-co-uk 8:03 Mon Dec 14
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46 Grand of that was 4 days in ICU.

Alfs 7:59 Mon Dec 14
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I worked briefly on a project to chase debt owed to the NHS by foreign nationals. It's hundreds of millions but nye on impossible to retrieve.

Kaiser Zoso 7:53 Mon Dec 14
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Especially for a simpleton like you

Capitol Man 7:45 Mon Dec 14
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I'm just not sure people in the UK are ready to go through anything that moves away from single payer to private.

It's one thing to have the NHS pick up the bulk of coverage and then get a nicer room or jump the queue for ops and treatment, it's another thing altogether to have to think about every element of your healthcare every year.

The screwed up a change when I moved states last year that basically left me exposed to a high-deductible plan for November and December and a routines came for the mrs and a couple of strep throat tests left a bill for $3k. Took about three months and having to have the heard of benefits from my company to intervene to make that one go away (I should never have needed to change coverage plans).

The system is utterly bewildering when you first deal with it.

nychammer 7:27 Mon Dec 14
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the US Pays more because there is no political will to change it. Politicians are in the pockets of drug companies who make the US pay top $ for drugs and medical equipment years after dropping the prices everywhere else. Deal with that and the Orwellian bureaucracy that's allowed to thrive and maybe you are half way there.

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