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cup of tea 1:00 Sat Jan 9
Search and rescue operation in Indonesia after contact was lost with Boeing plane
ICON IS CORRECT BECAUSE OF TOP GUN (-:

A search and rescue operation is under way in Indonesia after contact was lost with a Boeing 737-500 plane on a local flight.

An Indonesian Transport Ministry spokesman said the Sriwijaya Air flight SJY 182 was flying from from the capital Jakarta to Pontianak City.

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arsene york-hunt 2:42 Sun Jan 10
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They knew the risks when they bought the tickets

zebthecat 11:34 Sat Jan 9
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https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/times-watchdog/the-inside-story-of-mcas-how-boeings-737-max-system-gained-power-and-lost-safeguards/

This sums up the 737 Max fiasco nicely.
The 737 that crashed today is pretty ancient and run by a newish low cost airline so the cause will be something else.

ParadiseLost 11:20 Sat Jan 9
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Pedro, i think we’re saying the same thing, per the WSJ
, the Journal reported that Boeing engineers found that under certain conditions the 737 MAX's engines -- which are larger and located higher and closer to the front -- boost the chances that the aircraft would tilt upward too steeply -- causing the plane to stall.

Tomshardware 11:11 Sat Jan 9
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Capitol Man 6:58 Sat Jan 9

Yes exactly, it was a deathtrap which never should have been allowed to fly.

Pedro 8:37 Sat Jan 9
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Isn’t issue with the engines that the design meant they are not in centre of plane so software has to help with the balance.

ParadiseLost 8:34 Sat Jan 9
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This wasn’t a 737 max but one of the older 737-500s I believe. Thats considered a 737 classic and you won’t find many of them in Europe. Yes, the 737 Max was built on an old design. The principal issue is that the engines are much bigger these days and therefore are much closer to the ground. This meant that Boeing had to make changes, some of them software based to manage this. So, to some extent the Max is unstable without the software help.

Pedro 8:29 Sat Jan 9
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If we ever get to fly again and if Ryanair is your choice all their planes will be the Max version.

Capitol Man 6:58 Sat Jan 9
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With the max didn’t the problems start from trying to adapt an old design rather than spending the money to build a new plane from scratch?

violator 6:48 Sat Jan 9
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Plane was 26 years old, bet it had done some mileage

On The Ball 2:29 Sat Jan 9
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Tomshardware 2:24 Sat Jan 9

Pah, what does he know? Bloody "experts".


;)

Coffee 2:25 Sat Jan 9
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Mike

It's more than teething problems.

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4374235-boeing-dreamliner-manufacturing-nightmare

Tomshardware 2:24 Sat Jan 9
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Coffee, I'm just going off what my dads mate who worked in aircraft design for 40 years.

Mike Oxsaw 2:16 Sat Jan 9
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Coffee 2:06 Sat Jan 9

Interesting, as th 787 had fast become my aircraft of choice once they sorted out the initial teething problems.

I'd actually assumed they'd just rationalised ground crew and stood the Boeing engineers down during the pandemic.

Coffee 2:13 Sat Jan 9
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Toms

As far as I understand it, the cause of the two Max crashes was largely the pilots' lack of knowledge and improper handling of the MCAS system, which had allegedly not been properly communicated by Boeing and which the respective airines had not trained their flight crew on. Now, with software adjustments and improved crew training over the last year+, it should be as safe as any other aircraft. That's what they say.

Tomshardware 2:09 Sat Jan 9
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My dads mate is an aeronautical engineer, he said he'd never fly in an 737 max.

Tomshardware 2:06 Sat Jan 9
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Boeing have the blood of many people on their hands, the max should never have been let in the sky.

Coffee 2:06 Sat Jan 9
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Mike Oxsaw 1:57 Sat Jan 9

Could be just normal change of aircraft due to whatever commercial reason. But some 787 aircraft have been found to have "structural issues", which caused Boeing to remove some 787s from service some months ago. They might have been QR or Oman Air planes? Since then, more such issues have been reported, apparently affecting over 800 of the 900+ 787s that have been built. Poor show from Boeing, again.

Mike Oxsaw 1:57 Sat Jan 9
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Was browsing for flights out of Oman recently and the national carrier seems to have switched from Boeing 787s to the older A330 on several routes.

Westham67 1:50 Sat Jan 9
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Nasty rather a break up than a decent into water

Westham67 1:49 Sat Jan 9
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Boeing are not exactly trustworthy at the moment

Coffee 1:29 Sat Jan 9
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They're saying this plane went from 10,000 feet to impact in about a minute. First reports saying a small debris field, suggesting it hit the water in one piece. Wonder what happened... Those poor people.

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