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Wils 4:39 Tue Sep 21
Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
No pressure on players to take the knee, apparently. But look at the abuse Alonso is getting on social media for choosing not to do it, Many people saying "he should have consulted with his black teammates before taking the decision" You need their permission NOT to take the knee it seems. But good to see Tuchel supporting him here...


https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11661/12413223/marcos-alonso-chelsea-defender-to-stop-taking-knee-after-claiming-anti-racism-gesture-is-losing-strength

Marcos Alonso says he will no longer take a knee before matches as the Chelsea defender believes the anti-racism gesture is "losing strength", with head coach Thomas Tuchel admitting he understands his player's reasoning.

The Spain left-back says he will instead point to the Premier League 'No Room for Racism' badge on his sleeve, while other players kneel ahead of kick-off.

Since the Premier League resumed in the summer of 2020 after a coronavirus-enforced break, players, officials and staff at games have been taking a knee before kick-off to show support for the movement for racial equality.

"I am fully against racism and I'm against every type of discrimination, and I just prefer to put my finger to the badge where it says no to racism, like they do in some other sports and football in other countries," Alonso said.

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Alonso says he will instead point to the Premier League's 'No Room for Racism' campaign badge on his sleeve
"I prefer to do it this way and, of course, to say very clearly that I am against racism and I respect everybody."

Asked whether or not his decision to stop taking the knee had anything to do with politics, Alonso said: "I don't know, I just prefer to do it this way. It's my way to do it, I think it's another way.

"And maybe I think it's losing a bit of strength the other way, so I just prefer to do it this way and to show I am fully
Crystal Palace forward Wilfried Zaha became the first top-flight player to opt out of the gesture, earlier this year, after stating his belief that taking a knee is "degrading".

Alonso, who was speaking to the media following Chelsea's victory over Tottenham on Sunday, said he had not discussed his decision with any of his Chelsea team-mates, several of whom have been victims of racial abuse.


Chelsea forward Romelu Lukaku (left) is one of several of Alonso's team-mates who have been victims of racial abuse
Reece James, Antonio Rudiger, N'Golo Kante and Romelu Lukaku have all faced abuse in recent years, with England defender James temporarily deleting his Instagram account earlier this year due to the scale of online abuse.

"No, we haven't talked about it," Alonso said.

"We are in the changing room and we are like a family. I have a very good relationship with everyone, I love everyone and up to now we haven't talked about it. I don't think there is a need to, but, of course, if I have to speak to anyone, I will say the same thing I just told you and I don't think there will be any problems."

Alonso confirmed he intends to maintain his stance for the rest of the season, adding: "Yeah, for now I prefer to point to the sleeve and that's what I will do."


Tuchel: Marcos' decision could prompt discussion
Chelsea boss Tuchel has said the club accepts Alonso's decision to stop taking a knee, and acknowledges it could prompt a discussion among the squad as to how they tackle racism in the future.

Tuchel said: "It's not a discussion in the group, but of course if a player takes a decision like this, we are not in a bubble - of course then discussions come up. The most important thing is I know Marcos personally and I trust him 1000 per cent that he is absolutely committed against racism and any form of racism. There is no question about it. We are all against it.

"We took the decision to take the knee together. Maybe it takes action against a routine to wake up again and have another good discussion. We want to do the most against racism and stand up against it.

"There are different forms of doing it. Marcos took his position. He's a grown up, a responsible person. This is his decision, we accept it, he gave his reasons for it and from here the discussion can end or go in a productive way maybe to do more."


Isn't it always like this? Once you do a gesture, and everybody is doing it, and once you do it so often because there are so many games it becomes normal. Then maybe it lowers the effect of it. If this is his point, I can see his point.

Thomas Tuchel on Alonso's decision
Asked if he understands Alonso's point about the gesture lacking strength, Tuchel added: "Isn't it always like this? Once you do a gesture, and everybody is doing it, and once you do it so often because there are so many games it becomes normal.

"Then maybe it lowers the effect of it. If this is his point, I can see his point. We can now discuss if it's necessary to have this discussion and be the only guy standing up.

"He's pretty aware of it, he's experienced enough, responsible enough. This development started with single persons taking a knee, and it became a bigger thing.

"Marcos' point is that it cannot end like this and it cannot become normal. What should be normal is that we're against racism. I understand Marcos thinks there's always more to do, of course we want to focus on sports, but use the platform and possibilities that we have. How we produce performances together is by living by example."

Alonso, who had fallen out of favour at Chelsea under Frank Lampard before Tuchel's arrival last season, has made a strong start to the 2021/22 campaign, starting all five Premier League games ahead of England defender Ben Chilwell.

The high regard in which Tuchel holds Alonso was highlighted by the former Bolton and Sunderland defender being given the captain's armband as Chelsea beat Aston Villa earlier this month.

Sunday's 3-0 win at Spurs maintained the European champions' unbeaten start to the season, during which they have claimed four wins and a draw from a tough opening schedule.

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Helmut Shown 1:17 Fri Sep 24
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
He only takes the knee when tackling

Tomshardware 12:54 Fri Sep 24
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
General Zod would never take the knee.

chim chim cha boo 7:17 Thu Sep 23
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
We could always Cockney up the taking of the knee to give it a bit more of a boost.

Imagine 60,000 supporters giving it 'you put your left knee in, your left knee out, you do the honkey tonky and you turn about...'

How much fun would that be?

bigfrank 6:57 Thu Sep 23
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
Maybe we could sing "knees up mother brown" as they take the knee or get the stadium DJ to play it over the tannoy

Mike Oxsaw 5:43 Thu Sep 23
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
Having the players fight amongst each other before the game starts would show a better understanding of that particular situation.

Robson 5:28 Thu Sep 23
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
Perhaps they should re-appropriate the gesture - before the game on Saturday they could announce that the players will be taking the knee in support of the six West Ham fans stuck in Zagreb.

bigfrank 3:58 Thu Sep 23
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
Take Morgan Freemans advice

Stop fucking talk about it.

Woke cunts make it sound as being black a disability.

whu 1:43 Thu Sep 23
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
only1billybonds 11:27 Thu Sep 23

net - back of

Mike Oxsaw 1:09 Thu Sep 23
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
Imagine the fun & games if you have to take the knee before the barman can/will sell you a pint...

Wils 12:53 Thu Sep 23
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
Kaiser Zoso 11:26 Thu Sep 23

"Could be a watershed moment coming up — do they eventually give up doing this gesture, or merely carry it on indefinitely which would appear to signal it isn't achieving anything, or double down and go for something even more dramatic?

Maybe force the crowd to kneel as well?"

I have heard of it taking place in schools now and rows starting between families when some kids don't do it. No idea how widespread it is but the longer it continues it's inevitable that this will happen, isn't it?

This is why I have no time for the "If you don't like it, ignore it" crowd. It needs to be stood up to. It's toxic and causes division and fear everywhere it appears.

bruuuno 12:37 Thu Sep 23
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
INFANTILE WOKE CUNTS

Eerie Descent 12:20 Thu Sep 23
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
"MORE NEEDS TO BE DONE! MORE!"

What more needs to be done?

"THEY NEED TO STOP THE NASTY WORDS ON THE WORLD WIDE WEB!"

They arrest people in this country that do this. The Police put an incredible amount of time & resources into abuse on the internet. Unfortunately they can't do much about the rest of the world.

"BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE DONE! THE FA & PL NEED TO BAN EVERYONE!"

They do ban the people that are arrested.

"BUT MORE! WE NEED MORE!

Like what?

"MORE!"

Can you please elaborate?

"YOU BIGOT!"

Mike Oxsaw 12:19 Thu Sep 23
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
TELL me to do something and I'll most likely tell you to fuck right off.

CONVINCE me to do something and then that is MY choice following MY assessment based on information available to ME.

YOU might provide (some of) that information, but that does not mean that I have to come to the same conclusion as you - and I'm not even under any obligation to explain the reason for MY choice other than "It's not yours".

No reasons I've ever seen have convinced ME that taking the knee is beneficial other than a virtual signalling feel-good-about-myself activity.

It's been going on long enough now for there to be solid data available about the benefits it's brought to both the game and the wider society. Where is that data?

bruuuno 12:12 Thu Sep 23
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
The whole thing started as a mass emotional outburst because people were scared and cranky due to covid / lockdown and embraced the racism thing as an outlet for their emotional turmoil. Which is understandable at the time but that it has been allowed to continue like this is really quite embarrassing.

The brits used to be a stoic bunch, now we’ve overtaken then yanks as champions of histrionics (the yanks abandoned it ages ago)

ted fenton 11:57 Thu Sep 23
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
only1billybonds 11:27 Thu Sep 23

whu 11:52 Thu Sep 23
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
Capitol Man 3:38 Wed Sep 22
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
The hysterical whiny victims like Wils and WHU here make a pretty strong case for it to continue.

cucked virtue signalling VICTIMS, created this bollocks

also, this is a forum last time i looked. posting an opinion is simply that.

as stated, any balanced person can surely see this has created division, at a time where things were improving year on year

for every race victim (and race victims cut all ways btw, not the main stream media ever balances the books) there is a ginger or a fattie getting abused. you should always strive to improve a situation but bottom line, there will always be a small minority of unreasonable people. you will never cure all. on anything relating to human emotion.

fuck antifas communist anarchist knee

continue to support 'say no to racism' - a proven method that was working

IRONS !!

bigfrank 11:47 Thu Sep 23
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
Only1billybonds

Spot on.

only1billybonds 11:27 Thu Sep 23
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
Like i said the other day,Qata's world cup will be interesting.

Lets see the players make a physical gesture that expresses disgust and intolerance against people who lash women for showing to much flesh,stone them to death and throw homosex uals off tall buildings.

Not going to happen is it.

Kaiser Zoso 11:26 Thu Sep 23
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
Could be a watershed moment coming up — do they eventually give up doing this gesture, or merely carry it on indefinitely which would appear to signal it isn't achieving anything, or double down and go for something even more dramatic?

Maybe force the crowd to kneel as well?

Feed Me Chicken 11:19 Thu Sep 23
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
This argument again…..


FACT is these cunts only started kneeling for George Floyd no matter what faux reason they try and give you now.

master 11:05 Thu Sep 23
Re: Marcos Alonso doesn't take the knee.
Followed by "we're moving on". Just for completeness.

Still appears to be an entirely empty gesture to me making very little positive difference and incrementally making quite a bit of negative difference.

And no that doesn't mean turning people into stupid racist knobs.

It just means that this knee taking allows many to pretend that something concrete is being done, without actually having to do anything meaningful with any actual effort or output on their part. How is that smoke and mirrors bullshit a 'solution'?

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