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BRANDED 11:09 Thu Jun 23
John Lennon admitted the Beatles ‘weren’t good musicians
As Sir Paul McCartney prepares to take to the Pyramid Stage at Glastonbury this weekend, he might pause for a moment and think how far he’s come since the days when John Lennon thought the Beatles barely qualified as musicians.
That’s the surprising claim made by Lennon in a never-before-broadcast recording that is up for auction this Friday.
The recording was the work of John Hill, a college art student in Hull in November 1964 who interviewed the Beatles before they played at the ABC Cinema in the city.
It was the height of the Beatles' early fame and came a few months after their first visit to the United States had triggered Beatlemania across the Atlantic.
In the recording, Lennon equivocates over whether the band are true musicians, denying that they are good, and also claims he’d rather be rich than have a normal life.
Asked by Mr Hill whether the band were musicians or simply entertainers, the Liverpudlian said: “I’ve never thought about it really but we don’t count ourselves as good musicians, so I suppose we’re entertainers . . . but we don’t entertain much ‘cos we just stand there, so I suppose we must be musicians. We’re in the union anyway.”

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Mike Oxsaw 7:29 Wed Jun 29
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Were all part of a tone deaf pop machine.

defjam 6:37 Wed Jun 29
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I don't want to say "I told you so" but....

mashed in maryland 7:06 Sat Jun 25
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Lily Hammer 1:18 Fri Jun 24

Think they were one of the first bands to understand that music didn't have to be technical, and songs could be written by a formula, not make much sense, but just be catchy and dancable. That's how almost all pop music has gone since.

Also experimented a lot.

I personally like them (mostly their later stuff) but understand why some people don't.

gph 12:42 Sat Jun 25
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Synergy, when something is greater than the sum of its parts.

If Lennon and McCartney hadn't benefitted from it, the biggest part of the sum would have been Lennon's.

But they did, so who knows?

BTW, I'm not the greatest Beatles fan, but I can't deny they had something.

Just like the Mona Lisa has something, without being a patch on the Caravaggios in the same museum.

Far Cough 6:31 Fri Jun 24
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Two Spanish football clubs Cadiz and Villareal have nicknames the Yellow Submarine

Mex Martillo 5:32 Fri Jun 24
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Nice one ted fenton 1:06 Fri Jun 24

simon.s 3:22 Fri Jun 24
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BRANDED 3:02 Fri Jun 24

It got funky towards the end, lot of jazz obviously too. He used the Vocoder which was cool to see live.

Eastside surge 3:14 Fri Jun 24
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Don't think you can deny the beatles their place in the history of music as pioneers and originators but the fact paul is headlining Glastonbury tomorrow is quite depressing really the man simply can't sing live anymore and hasn't been able to for quite a few years.
Expect loads of backing singers!!!

BRANDED 3:02 Fri Jun 24
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Nice one Simon

Was it funky?

simon.s 1:38 Fri Jun 24
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Brand0 - saw Herbie at the Barbican the other night.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 1:20 Fri Jun 24
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CS

That's one cool mum you had!

Lily Hammer 1:18 Fri Jun 24
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Compared to classical orchestra musicians, or even semi pro session musicians, they were nowhere near as technically proficient, but rock and roll doesn’t give a fuck about that.

When they broke out, they were by far the tightest live rock and roll band in the UK, possibly in the world. If you don’t know the details of the Hamburg years, you don’t know the band. Don’t be fooled by the styled image created for them. They were black leather all the way just before that.

Then they rapidly grew up and out, musically, and did what the fuck they fancied.

SurfaceAgentX2Zero 1:17 Fri Jun 24
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You can like the Beatles or not, it's a matter of taste.

However, it always amuses me how the more moronic, 'too cool for school' critics land upon one or two, what they perceive as, 'duds' without having really listened to them.

A case in point is Yellow Submarine. Written specifically as both a children's song and 'Ringo's song for the album' (Revolver), it worked spectacularly well. It was one of the Beatles best selling singles, topping the charts just about everywhere and inspired a hugely successful movie.

Superficially it's just Ringo singing a kid's song, however, the superficiality of it was probably a cunning plan to enable idiots like Swiss to make a fool of themselves.

Firstly, and obviously, Yellow Submarine has about as much story as Tommy (which I love) or Arthur (which I love even more), but Paul, mostly, and John (quite a bit of the lyrics) ,manage to knock it off in about three minutes instead of one or even two albums. The lyrics were actually quite subversive, the yellow submarine being seen both as an allegory for the rise of the 60s counter-culture and a sneaky joke about the drug Nembutol. But mostly, it a kids' song, written for a bit of fun - hence all the laughter at the end.

The actual music is full of experimentation and jokes. The juxtaposition of the simple, strummed guitar of the verses with the grandiose full-blown brass band of the choruses is hilarious in itself,
and the tape effects seem to me to be a tribute to The Goons. The backwardsy drums and psychedelic stuff was something the Beatles were experimenting with a lot at the time. The backing vocals on the chorus are the best bit - I don't know what the fuck they were doing there.

Having said all that, I don't particularly like it, but it is interesting and it's just about the worst song of their entire catalogue to pick in an effort to denigrate the Beatles musicianship.

BRANDED 1:17 Fri Jun 24
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Prince was a genius.

Interesting interview with Herbie Hancock in the Guardian who is 82 and playing the Pyramid stage this weekend.....

People have been claiming that jazz is dead for decades, and have said that records you worked on, like Davis’s On the Corner killed it. Is it dead? Where do you see the music’s future?

The thing is, jazz is so open, it’s kind of hard to kill it. An individual can kill their own career – if you keep it confined to one sound or era, it’s difficult to go past the audience that you started with, and they’re getting older as you’re getting older. To me, that’s not exciting. I want to be open enough to attract an audience of any age. That’s why I’m working a lot with younger people. They are the future, and I’m always looking forward. When I was young, musicians from the generations before me really helped and encouraged me, and showed me mistakes in my thinking about the structure of a song. I’m at that point in my life where it’s time for me to pass the baton on to younger musicians. But I’m not ready to leave just yet.


https://www.theguardian.com/music/2022/jun/24/herbie-hancock-miles-davis-told-me-i-dont-pay-you-to-get-applause

He not only educates young musicians but they go on to becoming big in their own right and now he's making an album with them.

ted fenton 1:06 Fri Jun 24
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Take a look at this live version of "While My Guitar Gently Weeps" written by George Harrison and performed by Prince and many other top musicians !!!

I can't really see them performing a Dave Clark 5 track !!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SFNW5F8K9Y

Mex Martillo 12:57 Fri Jun 24
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Strawberry fields forever. Do I need to say more?

Council Scum 12:52 Fri Jun 24
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My Mum was an avid Beatles fans, as most were of that age.

When I was a kid I used to listen to her music and appreciate it, always figured as I got older I'd grow to like them, but never did, basic boy band of the time and nothing more for me.

The Who, Kinks, Small Faces, Rolling Stones, Dave Clark 5, The Hollies etc. All brilliant

Northern Sold 12:40 Fri Jun 24
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My Mum and Uncle and some of his mates used to go and watch all the bands in the early to mid 60’s together… saw all the Blues stuff... Alexis Korner Muddy Walters, Howlin’ Wolf stuff… saw the Stones numerous times… Georgie fame… The Yardbirds… stax tours… Motown tours… Long John Baldry… basically anything that was gigging in London they both went to… Mum said the only gig they walked out of half way through was the Beatles… as they could not hear a fucking thing apart from girls screaming and pissing their knickers…

BRANDED 12:29 Fri Jun 24
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The point here is not whether they were successful. They were. Thats a given.
The point is at the time did they themselves consider themselves great musicians. Which in a way was a stupid thing anyway because they didn't make complicated music. They were GOOD ENOUGH to make simple pop rock music ( this was 1963).
At gigs no one would have known because of all the inane screaming. As he said they just stood there and played and no one knew any better.

Interestingly one if the greatest Jazz musicians of all time John Coltrane was at his peak at the same time and has found a huge new audience on streaming platforms. He would have been a wealthy man today but in his prime was averagely well off. Its why Miles Davis went electric. He wanted some of that big money.

Mike Oxsaw 12:17 Fri Jun 24
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How many of the so-called "supergroups", consisting of the best-of the-best stayed together for long?

You don't need to be THE expert in every field; just the right combination of the skills needed is enough.

ted fenton 12:13 Fri Jun 24
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Round about 50 years on and we're still talking about them !! Say's it all really.

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