WHO Poll
Q: 2022/23 You are the Chairman what do you do with Moyes?
a. Stick with him obviously, he's delivered two good seasons back to back and will see us out of this dip in form
b. If we're still lingering around the bottom three by the start of the WC then that's the time to get rid
c. What are we waiting for 2 wins in the last 20 PL games is reason enough to sack him, go now
d. I've just got my new Orange & White 3rd Kit with Moyesinho on the back, I can't wait to wear it down to the supermarket, they call me Mr West Ham around here

Keep dreaming 6:18 Sun Sep 18
Moyes Out
Posted the same last year. Nothing has changed, except win don't win matches anymore.
I'm fed up, we can do much better

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RBshorty 4:52 Wed Dec 7
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You think it’s only the SPIVS who wants to flip us quick.? Kretinsky will sell us quicker than a rat out of an aqueduct.!

Texas Iron 4:41 Wed Dec 7
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Well said Sir Alf...

Not looking forward to the restart...

master 4:29 Wed Dec 7
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the major thing that will give us better results is to stop being so afraid of pushing up and pressing teams. that it. it may not work out on some occasions but overall, it will. end of.

New Jersey 3:03 Wed Dec 7
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We don't need more players, we just need someone to get more out of the existing ones. We had a decent squad that was playing some good stuff until it ran out of steam and ideas, we knocked City out of a cup they virtually owned and had some good results (at home it has to be said) against the top teams. We've added some real quality but they haven't got a clue what they're meant to be doing and they look unfit. That has been surprising as Dour's motto is if you don't run you don't play!

Takashi Miike 2:37 Wed Dec 7
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I listened to a czech football expert one of the yt channels before he invested, he said he's very frugal (tight as fuck) and the team weren't as competitive after he took over. I'm not sure how we could be any less competitive, but I agree that he's far from the answer we're looking for. those bastards in charge can't help but leave us in the shit, the complete opposite of the midas touch

Sir Alf 2:22 Wed Dec 7
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Agree MT. Without significant change to first 11 ( and that includes bringing in at least another striker ) , in tactics and fitness and running to press and make the tactic of keeping possession work, and selecting the first 11 from players who can pass and control the ball above 90% accuracy, and playing players in their best positions and having the courage to make in game changes early enough to prevent us going behind.

The quick fix / sticking plaster might just be a really top goalscorer that takes a very high percentage of chances but they cost north of 50 million. Sullivan ain’t and rightly so gonna trust Moyes with that and besides after tge summer spend we are told just loans in Jan.

Also, from what I’m reading about additional shares for Kretinski, there seems little chance of him buying the club. He’s an investor looking to make a quick Buck imo. The sale may happen in 2023 or 2024 but the increased valuation on his shares is what he wants based on his investments in Sainsbury, Lost office. The increased valuation he wants might be the thing that helps as both he and GSB will take a hit in the valuation if we get relegated and based on form and the above mentioned need for change, that’s where we are headed.

Finally, where the fvck is Moyes? I know someone who does the data analysis and stats over at West Ham. He said it’s Nolan assisted by Warbarton and McKinley that are doing all the hands on work with the team on drills and training, fitness etc. No wonder tge ghost of BFS is so evident in the way we play?

Takashi Miike 12:37 Wed Dec 7
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a few of us see saying many weeks ago he had to be replaced. all we got was 'wait until the world cup/january' and look where we are now. a point off the drop, a captain who wants out, the two best cbs fucked, a manager who has no idea how to use our record signing and likewise, can't work with any striker that has technical abilty. but yes, it was well worth waiting

Sir Alf 12:30 Wed Dec 7
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Think you might be being generous saying we will be lucky to finish mid table Tex :-(

Based on this season, the dysfunction you rightly highlight, I genuinely do not see 3 worse teams.

Moyes old guard and tactics are known and easily nullified now by every team. Many of the players that got results in that unique lockdown period of no crowds are ageing too but worse still almost all of them are technically wanting. Antonio had pace and strength and little else. Passing and control is literally amateur level. 33 next birthday and a long contract , no wonder he is in retirement mode. Stick him out wide is the only chance of him being useful now IMO and that may well be as an impact sub. Making him a striker went to his head a bit. He is shockingly poor now.

Soucek is too slow and another that is technically poor. Squad player at best but picked every game.

Dawson a great competitor but age catching up and while he had a great 2 seasons, he ain’t gonna improve and yet another not comfortable on the ball and with passing, control. And too slow.

Coufal is Championship or league 1 standard like Soucek IMO. Love their attitudes and commitment but they ain’t Premiership standard.

Fab cannot use his feet. Great shot stopper but another that looks old and slow on his feet. Great backup goalkeeper but not first choice imo.

Johnson and Zouma, physically good and strong but need to pass short and simple as both cannot distribute / pass over a distance.

Cresswell too old and slow. Good backup in the squad but not first 11. Another that gets played every game.

Lanzini is finished at Prem level. Never really recovered from that injury before last WC.

Fornals is never a wide man and should never play there. Downes is not an advanced midfielder and should never play there. Paqueta is more of a number 8, and plays deeper with the ball in front of him and lots of movement. Not a number 10.

We have 1 striker who plays better in a pair but is always played as a lone target man. He is and never was a lone target man.

We cannot fill all the holes in the squad in Jan but need another striker and wing backs minimum.

It seems we have the new set of players suited to playing possession football and the existing ones mostly better in a counter attacking set up in Moyesball style.

The manager and coaching sticking mostly with what worked from 2 seasons back.

Without tactical changes, fitness and improved pressing, speed and a new striker we are going to continue to sink. I keep struggling to think of 3 teams worse than us

Texas Iron 11:29 Tue Dec 6
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A fucked up dysfunctional squad...

Lucky to finish mid table...

Blame Moyes...

Recruitment Boss...


simon.s 11:27 Tue Dec 6
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Isn’t he away at the WC?

factory seconds 11:15 Tue Dec 6
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not in the dugout tonight for whatever reason.

Takashi Miike 8:36 Tue Dec 6
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rice has only been allowed to push forward when we go a goal behind or it's about fifteen to twenty mInutes left, the whole of the midfield sits deep until that dour cunt removes the handbrake

Sir Alf 8:30 Tue Dec 6
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brundal 8:00 Tue Dec 6

The change in the sense that Rice is now allowed to get forward I would agree. The loss of form not so much. That’s as much about teams knowing our strengths and weaknesses and it started 10 months ago.

For me, only my opinion, Soucek simply not good enough technically and far too slow. Great attitude, runs all day but very ineffective now teams press us so much and high.

Soucek, Antonio, Coufal, Dawson, Fab ( due to inability with feet), Cresswell ( no pace) all not up to it in the first 11. Technically not good enough with control and passing at speed. I also have doubts about Johnson and Zouma but they can be neat and tidy and have strength that you do need.

To play a different way and keep possession far better we need good technical players and mobility and movement all over the pitch. Moyes won’t try playing the players together that supposedly he bought to improve our possession and if he has they’ve been played out of position. He and his coaching team do not seem to know how to set up and train / drill a team to play a different way. We are still 2 or 3 players short in the squad to play it well ( wing backs, another ball playing CB, another forward) and not knowing how to set up the team that way seems a real problem. Slow , uncertain build up and little movement and pace in the side, players out of position or just not selected to accommodate players from the old failing set up.

Sullivan is only concerned about survival but sticking with Moyes in Jan will IMO be very likely to see us relegated. I have not seen 3 worse teams

brundal 8:00 Tue Dec 6
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Moyes has changed tactics this season which has resulted in poor form from both Soucek and Bowen , Rice has been given the freedom to push forward when Soucek was much better at last season, we also have been sat back move which means Bowen has to track back to cover the fullback more , I honestly think Sullivan has told Moyes his main job is to keep us up this season due to the possibility of selling the club , so with that in mind he’s not going anywhere.

Sir Alf 7:05 Tue Dec 6
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Sadly I think you’re right Russ. :-(

On the subject of players losing form. Any coincidence that Bowen has regressed so badly since getting loved up?


Russ of the BML 4:40 Tue Dec 6
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Sir Alf 1:31 Tue Dec 6

A huge disconnect?

By that I assume you mean no connection whatsoever.

I've been going to West Ham regularly late 80's early 90's. I have never ever seen a style and ethos that dictates which type of player we buy.

Our transfer business is based on the following criteria:

1) Which positions do we need to fill?
2) Who is available?
3) Are they cheap?

Sir Alf 3:45 Tue Dec 6
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That could well be the case H&P.

It’s just so short termed. Really the Moyes appointment were. Brought in twice to get us out of relegation problems. His set up of teams with hard working, less technical players is a good fit and can get a team “punching above its weight”. The irony is that the lockdown circumstances and surprise elements he brought to make us a good counter attacking outfit for a season and a half was over achievement to the delight and surprise of many including of course the little man who owns us but has no idea about football.

Moyes also being compliant and a “yes man” may also have helped. The above circumstances led to a real over estimation of Moyes abilities. I include myself in that. The club then tries to move forward and change the way it plays ( with results falling off a cliff last Feb onwards ? But firstly waits too long and then recruits technical players who pass the ball to a team that plays long on the break.

This last part is where my curiosity is peaked. What was the process for recruitment. Who decided what? If Moyes had the say then it’s simply insane. You cannot change a teams approach and tactics just by buying a different type of player! You have a philosophy, know how on set up, drills and training, working with the defence, midfield and forwards in groups and as individuals all towards playing a certain way. Absolutely no evidence of that.

He’s done, finished, busted flush, has been, dinosaur, past it.

Texas Iron 3:19 Tue Dec 6
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Boring Thread...

Moyes is Finished ...


Hammer and Pickle 2:05 Tue Dec 6
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I have a feeling the plan is to instal Noble and phase Moyes out. If that’s the case, what could possibly go wrong? 😉

Rossal 1:57 Tue Dec 6
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I think the recruitment has been fine but he then surrounds them with shite/ square pegs in round holes

When Scamacca and Paqueta are surrounded with Fornals LW, Soucek CDM and Downes in the no 10 I am not sure what hope anyone has.

Combine that with Coufal and Cresswell at full backs then its no surprise we havent been playing to the quality signings strengths.

I think all other 19 teams in the league would of sacked him before the WC break. There has been zero indication this season that he has the ability to turn things around after this long break. He has a mini break few months back and there was little change.

Getting a new man in and giving him 5 weeks to input fresh ideas and impetus was surely the obvious logical option

Hammer and Pickle 1:47 Tue Dec 6
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Sir Alf

That’s also the way I see it - it’s almost as if circumstances have conspired to force the club to raise its standards of coaching and management to match its new asset potential.

Not like it’s never happened before in thousands of business cases, though is it.

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