Overrated players

[Nutsin]

Fuck me that Havertz is way overrated, So is Foden but Havertz is worse.

as for overrated Hammers I’d have to say Lucas Neil takes it just from Ravel Morrison.

Who stands out to you?

[Gary Strodders shank]

Terry Butcher a lumbering lummox Bernard Breslaw of a centre half who cut his head and become a national hero.

If it wasn't for this and his previous with Ipswich and Robson Alvin who was a far more mobile and cultured defender would of won many many more caps.

It's criminal the caps Butcher racked up but his longevity is also due in no small part to having Des Walker alongside him to get him out of jail.



 

[frank marker]

I'm keeping out of this. When Harry Kane first appeared on the scene I thought he was vastly overrated. ;-(

[Bartle Boy]

I’m going to take stab at Callum Davenport for West Ham and outside us I’m going Ledley King

[Bartle Boy]

Was he really that rated?

in recent decades, you would have to be pretty inferior to play that many games and not get called up for any England Squad

That said a great captain and that was his ups.

 

[Mad Ferret]

I don't like John Terry and he's done a fucking tonne of twattish things, but he was a very very good defender.

You're not the mainstay and captain of that moneybags Chelsea era if you're not. They could have got anyone in to replace him if they wanted, and they didn't.

The better defenders were alongside him Caravlho, Desailly, Gallas, having Makelele sat in front of him. Essien etc.

Terry was your typical English defender, all blood, guts and last ditch defending, but he got skinned for fun on numerous occasions and was helped by all of the above and with being English in a team that needed its quoter. 

Gallas better than Terry 

[eusebiovic]

Fuck me that Havertz is way overrated, So is Foden but Havertz is worse.

as for overrated Hammers I’d have to say Lucas Neil takes it just from Ravel Morrison.

Who stands out to you?

David Luiz...an awful defender who relied on his pace to get out of trouble and little else as far as I could see. His positional sense was all over the shop.

Anybody decent wouldn't be on the wrong end of a 1-7 at home to Germany in their home World Cup...in a semi final. If you were half decent and had a positive influence on your teammates that is 1-3 at the wurst. See what I did there?

[Council Scum]

I don't like John Terry and he's done a fucking tonne of twattish things, but he was a very very good defender.

You're not the mainstay and captain of that moneybags Chelsea era if you're not. They could have got anyone in to replace him if they wanted, and they didn't.

The better defenders were alongside him Caravlho, Desailly, Gallas, having Makelele sat in front of him. Essien etc.

Terry was your typical English defender, all blood, guts and last ditch defending, but he got skinned for fun on numerous occasions and was helped by all of the above and with being English in a team that needed its quoter. 

[El Scorchio]

I don't like John Terry and he's done a fucking tonne of twattish things, but he was a very very good defender.

You're not the mainstay and captain of that moneybags Chelsea era if you're not. They could have got anyone in to replace him if they wanted, and they didn't.

[Council Scum]

Fair point CS. John Terry has to here. Stole a living running along side a few world class defenders.?

Had Jonathan Woodgate not been so injury prone I doubt he would have got many caps. Even Ledley King was a better defender. 

[violator]

Don't John Terry hold the record goals scored in the Prem by a defender...40 odd goals

[RBshorty]

Fair point CS. John Terry has to here. Stole a living running along side a few world class defenders.?

[Massive Attack]

its all a myth. He was stuck on LW cos he wasn't good enough to play through the middle.  Doesn't matter what he is doing now, this is about his time with us. 

And the regular European campaigns going deep in to Tournaments for any Team? 

For us and Betis according to wiki he has played over 50 games.  Scored 3 goals, all in the conference league with us. 

Like I said, that wasn't his only game. His Team ethic and passing game is more important. 1 Trophy, 2 Finals, 1 Semi Final and another Quarters with him regularly playing says he must be doijg something right for 2 unfashionable different Teams from different Countries.

[Council Scum]

Robbie Savage has to in the conversation.

Who rated him then? 

[RBshorty]

Robbie Savage has to in the conversation.

[Rossal]

The ultimate Team player who's game wasn't just about goals but also making the Team tick with his passes as well as getting stuck in when he aint stuck out on the left wing. No surprise to see him now get 7 goals, 6 assists, 5th in La Liga and going well in Europe again in yet another Quarter Final. Cannot be a coincidence the amount of times he goes deep in to European Competitions when he plays.

its all a myth. He was stuck on LW cos he wasn't good enough to play through the middle.  Doesn't matter what he is doing now, this is about his time with us. 

And the regular European campaigns going deep in to Tournaments for any Team? 

For us and Betis according to wiki he has played over 50 games.  Scored 3 goals, all in the conference league with us. 

[zico]

Pogba for me. One good game in ten at United maybe. Didn't see him much at Juventus so might be being harsh but never saw what the fuss was about.

[Vexed]

Saka
Didnt see the game today but presume he shat the bed again when it matters

But he always looks so pleased when he's launched one into row K, that's what annoys me most. Shaun Wright-Fucking-Phillips style chumpery. 

[Massive Attack]

Vieira

[Far Cough UKunt]

Who is the most overrated spitter? El Hadji Diouf, Frank Rijkaard or Jamie Carragher?

[Chinkey Weasel]

El Hadji Diouf *spits*

[Council Scum]

Giggs? but but but but he scored that wonderful goal when he tore his shirt off and everyone saw his hairy Welsh chest. 

And he got lucky with that goal, couple of times he should have lost the ball and it went right for him. 

[fraser]

The ultimate Team player who's game wasn't just about goals but also making the Team tick with his passes as well as getting stuck in when he aint stuck out on the left wing. No surprise to see him now get 7 goals, 6 assists, 5th in La Liga and going well in Europe again in yet another Quarter Final. Cannot be a coincidence the amount of times he goes deep in to European Competitions when he plays.

its all a myth. He was stuck on LW cos he wasn't good enough to play through the middle.  Doesn't matter what he is doing now, this is about his time with us. 

And the regular European campaigns going deep in to Tournaments for any Team? 

This may go on for quite a while... 

[Massive Attack]

Fornals 

bang average for us yet people hark on like he was tonnes of goals and assists we let go 

The ultimate Team player who's game wasn't just about goals but also making the Team tick with his passes as well as getting stuck in when he aint stuck out on the left wing. No surprise to see him now get 7 goals, 6 assists, 5th in La Liga and going well in Europe again in yet another Quarter Final. Cannot be a coincidence the amount of times he goes deep in to European Competitions when he plays.

its all a myth. He was stuck on LW cos he wasn't good enough to play through the middle.  Doesn't matter what he is doing now, this is about his time with us. 

And the regular European campaigns going deep in to Tournaments for any Team? 

[Far Cough UKunt]

Giggs? but but but but he scored that wonderful goal when he tore his shirt off and everyone saw his hairy Welsh chest. 

[Rossal]

Fornals 

bang average for us yet people hark on like he was tonnes of goals and assists we let go 

The ultimate Team player who's game wasn't just about goals but also making the Team tick with his passes as well as getting stuck in when he aint stuck out on the left wing. No surprise to see him now get 7 goals, 6 assists, 5th in La Liga and going well in Europe again in yet another Quarter Final. Cannot be a coincidence the amount of times he goes deep in to European Competitions when he plays.

its all a myth. He was stuck on LW cos he wasn't good enough to play through the middle.  Doesn't matter what he is doing now, this is about his time with us.