Restore Britain - Rupert Lowe

[Eerie Decent]

New Political Party which is gathering pace.

Regardless of your leanings, you can't deny he is a man of courage & conviction, qualities that are not just rare in today's politics, but pretty much non existent.

Gonna ruffle a few feathers.

[Massive Attack]

Restore Britain, my arse  

Hopefully we can restore Britain. 

[Eerie Decent]

How can you trust someone who is named after a fucking bear.

 

Did that sound funny in your head?

[Nutsin]

[Cabbige Savage]

How can you trust someone who is named after a fucking bear.

Keir the bare? 

Does he fuck Ukrarnion rent boy in woods?

[Pi Alpha Nu]

How can you trust someone who is named after a fucking bear.

[wils]

I think Nurse is right, it will come down to the Gov’t being overthrown if Labour wins again, especially if it’s by default and by Immigrant vote.


People are not going to continue to tolerate what’s going on forever. There is a limit and it looks like we are heading there.

 

People expect this to happen because this is what historically happens when minority ideologies rule elsewhere. But the ingredient that is missing here is youth. It's not that the youth aren't fed up it's that they are too small in number. Societies with fertility rates below replacement don't get angry and rise up, they fade away. Change won't happen until the working-class white population starts having having dramatically more kids and there is no sign of that happening.

[Fauxstralian]

Could try compulsory voting
In Australian federal elections there is only a $20 ‘administrative penalty’ if you don’t and 90% turned out
At the last UK election I think it was 60%

For state elections if you don’t vote it’s $50 fine & $75 for a second offence in Western Australia 
If you don’t respond to 3 notices you can have your drivers licence suspended 

[Mike Oxsaw]

With all due respect to the views of the Nurse we need a system of Westminster democracy where everyone’s vote counts. To have governments taking power despite two thirds of the electorate voting against them flies in the face of democracy.

Labour right now, because of their massive majority, are only really held to account by their own MPs the opposition being fragmented and not of a mind to combine as a coherent group to keep the government honest. The rub is that this fragmented opposition represents two thirds of those that voted in GE 24.

We actually need a system where the population are encouraged to vote, PR or FPTP.

Money seems to be a driver these days, so 50 quid off your annual tax bill on proof of voting, and definitely not any other form of payment.

[dealcanvey]

What’s the benefit of another new political party? I don’t see how this helps reform or the tories in any way. 

only see this as helping Labour by splitting voters who may now sway between reform and another similar minded party.

probably doing it to piss Farage off. 

It won't split it as they'll join forces if it comes to that as a voting block. The Left will only do the same so it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. I'm at ease with that.

How can they ‘join forces’ if they both have candidates standing in the same constituency? 

This Rupert called Rupert and Farage also can’t stand each other.

Think youve just made this up to put yourself at ease.

[Massive Attack]

Farage will get a grip of the Country and shake it into much better order, certainly better than any of the wankers that have gone before him since Maggie. Not sure he'll be the long term answer but definitely what this Country needs next. I like Lowe a lot, as I do Habib, however for the time being I'm chucking the car keys to Nige to have a go first then see how the Country shapes up after his inevitable 1st term in power.

[only1billybonds]

I think a lot of goodwill towards politicians was lost in the couple of years after the Brexit referendum.
So many people had the view that, "they asked us to vote so we voted. And when that vote went against their wishes,they tried everything in their power to reverse it so why should I bother any more"

Fast Forward to the 2019 Tory ( Boris) landslide and there was real hope that things really could be changed for the better. Obviously didn't help matters that covid hit within weeks of that election result but a shitshow ensued which pretty much handed the keys of No.10 to Starmer.

If things continue the way they are then the next election may well turn into a carbon copy of the Brexit referendum in the sense that a lot of people will use their vote as a way of expressing their dissatisfaction/disgust at the politics of the day, therefore allowing a Farage government to form. And then the frustration will begin again as the 'blob' obstruct any move Farage makes whi h is deemed as unacceptable.

God knows where it ends and I'm really not sure if its already to late,perhaps the country is on a course of continual decline. My biggest fear is for my grandkids. The eldest is 8 years old, god only knows what life will be like here when he's in his early 20's.

[Nutsin]

I moved three years ago mate

Canterbury is a beautiful Town. Nice place to visit. At least it was about 40 years ago.

[Westham67]

I moved three years ago mate

[Nutsin]

I think Nurse is right, it will come down to the Gov’t being overthrown if Labour wins again, especially if it’s by default and by Immigrant vote.


People are not going to continue to tolerate what’s going on forever. There is a limit and it looks like we are heading there.

[Massive Attack]

What’s the benefit of another new political party? I don’t see how this helps reform or the tories in any way. 

only see this as helping Labour by splitting voters who may now sway between reform and another similar minded party.

probably doing it to piss Farage off. 

It won't split it as they'll join forces if it comes to that as a voting block. The Left will only do the same so it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. I'm at ease with that.

[,]

With all due respect to the views of the Nurse we need a system of Westminster democracy where everyone’s vote counts. To have governments taking power despite two thirds of the electorate voting against them flies in the face of democracy.

Labour right now, because of their massive majority, are only really held to account by their own MPs the opposition being fragmented and not of a mind to combine as a coherent group to keep the government honest. The rub is that this fragmented opposition represents two thirds of those that voted in GE 24.

[dealcanvey]

What’s the benefit of another new political party? I don’t see how this helps reform or the tories in any way. 

only see this as helping Labour by splitting voters who may now sway between reform and another similar minded party.

probably doing it to piss Farage off. 

[Nutsin]

The MASS deportations book cracked me up another Mien Kampf

I might laugh as well if I wasn't paying through the nose for immigration and lived somewhere away from the worst affected areas.

I live in Canterbury where the best chance of being killed in the town centre is being run over by an uber eats driver

What I meant was its gutter politics making shouty noises, We to need repeal the EU humans right law before anything substantial can be done in regard to illegal immigration 

I thought you lived in Barking?

[Westham67]

The MASS deportations book cracked me up another Mien Kampf

I might laugh as well if I wasn't paying through the nose for immigration and lived somewhere away from the worst affected areas.

I live in Canterbury where the best chance of being killed in the town centre is being run over by an uber eats driver

What I meant was its gutter politics making shouty noises, We to need repeal the EU humans right law before anything substantial can be done in regard to illegal immigration 

[southbankbornnbred]

Zeb, I respectfully disagree that FPTP is the problem. The problem until very recently has been the lack of clear blue water between the actions of the dominant two political parties. A lack of real choice, I mean.

Before the last 20/30 years (pre Blair) we knew where we stood with with the Tories and Labour. You made your choice accordingly. Now you can't get a fag paper between their actions when in government. I say 'actions' deliberately because you can't trust what they say regarding their policies/intentions. The outcome is exactly the same high tax, high spending, unfettered immigration, net zero lunacy,  globalisation and deliberate managed decline whether it's tories or Labour in office and it's been that way since Blair, certainly, and arguably, since Blessed Margaret was toppled by a shower of c###s. 

All FPTP would achieve is endless wishy-washy coalition governments in perpetual stalemate, of the type that occurs in some European countries. Although I accept that many of you would quite like that because nothing would ever change and you consider anything along continental European lines as being automatically superior and 'civilised'. I think of it as political constipation and a cynical exercise in grabbing the trappings and prestige of 'power' without any responsibility.

Bollocks to changing FPTP. We need a revolution.

 

 

I hesitate to ask, Nurse, only because for 20 years on this forum I've resisted the temptation to "do" the political threads. But I'm intrigued because I don't generally disagree with your post.

But what sort of revolution do you espouse (doesn't need to be defined in absolute terms)? I ask only because, of all political theories that I've read (and I've read far too many, frankly), one of several that comes back to prove itself time and again is Michels' "iron law of oligarchy". And, for that, I think it's hard - bordering on almost impossible - to undertake a political revolution without a new ruling class emerging from whatever "mass" (and I don't mean that in a critical way) creates it.

Doesn't make us (as the "mass") entirely powerless - and doesn't mean that a revolution is invariably a bad thing. But it means it would most likely end with a new ruling class emerging, and probably governing in their own interests again.

[Nurse Ratched]

The MASS deportations book cracked me up another Mien Kampf

I might laugh as well if I wasn't paying through the nose for immigration and lived somewhere away from the worst affected areas.

[Westham67]

The MASS deportations book cracked me up another Mien Kampf

[Massive Attack]

I think of it as political constipation 

Sounds about right. 

Top post, that. 

[Nurse Ratched]

* All CHANGING FPTP would achieve...

Sorry.

[Nurse Ratched]

Zeb, I respectfully disagree that FPTP is the problem. The problem until very recently has been the lack of clear blue water between the actions of the dominant two political parties. A lack of real choice, I mean.

Before the last 20/30 years (pre Blair) we knew where we stood with with the Tories and Labour. You made your choice accordingly. Now you can't get a fag paper between their actions when in government. I say 'actions' deliberately because you can't trust what they say regarding their policies/intentions. The outcome is exactly the same high tax, high spending, unfettered immigration, net zero lunacy,  globalisation and deliberate managed decline whether it's tories or Labour in office and it's been that way since Blair, certainly, and arguably, since Blessed Margaret was toppled by a shower of c###s. 

All FPTP would achieve is endless wishy-washy coalition governments in perpetual stalemate, of the type that occurs in some European countries. Although I accept that many of you would quite like that because nothing would ever change and you consider anything along continental European lines as being automatically superior and 'civilised'. I think of it as political constipation and a cynical exercise in grabbing the trappings and prestige of 'power' without any responsibility.

Bollocks to changing FPTP. We need a revolution.