Restore Britain - Rupert Lowe

[Eerie Decent]

New Political Party which is gathering pace.

Regardless of your leanings, you can't deny he is a man of courage & conviction, qualities that are not just rare in today's politics, but pretty much non existent.

Gonna ruffle a few feathers.

[zebthecat]

I think that the main problem with our political system is first past the post.
It more or less works in a two party system but breaks down once you get more in a genuine hunt.
We have got to the ridiculous point where a new government could be formed at the next GE with a smidge over 25% of the vote i.e. <20% of the electorate.
Having 70% of the voters who do not want that party in power is going to be ridiculous.
The last election was bad enough with Labour having a huge majority with 32% of the vote but it is going to get worse.
No wonder so many people are pissed off with the whole thing. Tyranny of the minority is not acceptable.

[southbankbornnbred]

I think that a big political change is coming (although, like all other parties, Reform are just another empty vessel enjoying its moment). But the mass, considerably higher, turnout of the working class at the ballot box probably isn't going to happen.

I generally stay off the politics threads etc, as it's a busman's holiday and I let others get on with interesting debate. But my actual day job is investigating politics, public policy and current affairs. Been doing it for 27 years and one thing I've learnt is that the level of apathy among British voters is high and getting higher - even when it's sometimes in their best interest to turn out. It takes an epoch-defining issue, such as Brexit, to move the numbers in a serious way.

That's not a criticism of British people or voters. I think the world of politics has served most people gently reheated diarrhea for so long that people are rightly fed up with it - and often now just avoid it. The change that is coming is most likely going to be reflected among those already inclined to vote. That's not to say that change isn't coming. The way things are, it is - and it probably looks like Reform. Until everybody discovers that they're just as bad, and self-interested, as the parties they claim to reject. Then a faction from Reform will spin off and go through the same process.

It's easy to promise the Earth and deliver soil. And all British political parties have been doing it for a very long time. Reform will be no different. But they will slash immigration numbers, which is something that is now high on voters' minds. (And I make no value judgement about that).

Fully respect your post.

But the media in this country is part of the problem as to why party politics has failed. People are sick of it being a game that is played year after year after year. Good policies that are kicked into touch because its a policy from one party that another party is not allowed to agree on due to their 'colours'. MP's who promise the earth and then when they get into power, they use their time, to simply  climb the ladder and build their own nest.  It is not a game. And your description of the re-heated shit is a good one. 

But the media fuel that game. They fuel the 'political colours' war. They push the 'party politics' agenda as for them it powers anger and sells papers and gets viewers. And, lo and behold, you yourself have even failed to post your thoughts without the making it personal with your claims that Reform won't be any different. Well, that may end up being the case, but being a political commentator shouldn't be about personal opinion. That's where the media have the power. The media shouldn't have bias in politics. It should just report. 

Unfortunately, as we have found in the last 20 years, the media sees itself as 'all powerful'. They want to drive opinion, drive agenda, and set the tone of the nation. Your post, whilst articulate, proves that point. 

 

 

I don't disagree with much of that, Russ. Although, your assessment of the power of print media is a little out of date. Newspapers have lost much of their "political" clout. The Sun, to use just one example, used to sell just shy of five million copies per day (1995) - and that brought with it a lot of advertising and economic leverage. It now barely scrapes half a million without cooking the books for ABCs.

British political apathy has a complex history. And the media has certainly played its part in that. But it is by no means now as direct as you imply - and there are many, varied reasons that contribute to it. Including the fact that many British folk hate the way that party politics has always patronised voters.

[Nutsin]

For those looking for clarity.

[yngwies Cat]

Restore Britain, my arse  

[Nutsin]

[Russ of the BML]

I think that a big political change is coming (although, like all other parties, Reform are just another empty vessel enjoying its moment). But the mass, considerably higher, turnout of the working class at the ballot box probably isn't going to happen.

I generally stay off the politics threads etc, as it's a busman's holiday and I let others get on with interesting debate. But my actual day job is investigating politics, public policy and current affairs. Been doing it for 27 years and one thing I've learnt is that the level of apathy among British voters is high and getting higher - even when it's sometimes in their best interest to turn out. It takes an epoch-defining issue, such as Brexit, to move the numbers in a serious way.

That's not a criticism of British people or voters. I think the world of politics has served most people gently reheated diarrhea for so long that people are rightly fed up with it - and often now just avoid it. The change that is coming is most likely going to be reflected among those already inclined to vote. That's not to say that change isn't coming. The way things are, it is - and it probably looks like Reform. Until everybody discovers that they're just as bad, and self-interested, as the parties they claim to reject. Then a faction from Reform will spin off and go through the same process.

It's easy to promise the Earth and deliver soil. And all British political parties have been doing it for a very long time. Reform will be no different. But they will slash immigration numbers, which is something that is now high on voters' minds. (And I make no value judgement about that).

Fully respect your post.

But the media in this country is part of the problem as to why party politics has failed. People are sick of it being a game that is played year after year after year. Good policies that are kicked into touch because its a policy from one party that another party is not allowed to agree on due to their 'colours'. MP's who promise the earth and then when they get into power, they use their time, to simply  climb the ladder and build their own nest.  It is not a game. And your description of the re-heated shit is a good one. 

But the media fuel that game. They fuel the 'political colours' war. They push the 'party politics' agenda as for them it powers anger and sells papers and gets viewers. And, lo and behold, you yourself have even failed to post your thoughts without the making it personal with your claims that Reform won't be any different. Well, that may end up being the case, but being a political commentator shouldn't be about personal opinion. That's where the media have the power. The media shouldn't have bias in politics. It should just report. 

Unfortunately, as we have found in the last 20 years, the media sees itself as 'all powerful'. They want to drive opinion, drive agenda, and set the tone of the nation. Your post, whilst articulate, proves that point. 

[southbankbornnbred]

I think that a big political change is coming (although, like all other parties, Reform are just another empty vessel enjoying its moment). But the mass, considerably higher, turnout of the working class at the ballot box probably isn't going to happen.

I generally stay off the politics threads etc, as it's a busman's holiday and I let others get on with interesting debate. But my actual day job is investigating politics, public policy and current affairs. Been doing it for 27 years and one thing I've learnt is that the level of apathy among British voters is high and getting higher - even when it's sometimes in their best interest to turn out. It takes an epoch-defining issue, such as Brexit, to move the numbers in a serious way.

That's not a criticism of British people or voters. I think the world of politics has served most people gently reheated diarrhea for so long that people are rightly fed up with it - and often now just avoid it. The change that is coming is most likely going to be reflected among those already inclined to vote. That's not to say that change isn't coming. The way things are, it is - and it probably looks like Reform. Until everybody discovers that they're just as bad, and self-interested, as the parties they claim to reject. Then a faction from Reform will spin off and go through the same process.

It's easy to promise the Earth and deliver soil. And all British political parties have been doing it for a very long time. Reform will be no different. But they will slash immigration numbers, which is something that is now high on voters' minds. (And I make no value judgement about that).

[Fauxstralian]

Lowe is the one who as Chairman relegated Southampton and later took them into administration isn’t he?
Also appointed egg chase supremo Clive Woodward as Director of FOOTBALL 
Fell out with Nazi Nigel as he wasn’t right wing enough

I look forward to his selection of a talented cabinet & attempts to keep Britain out of administration 
 

[Eerie Decent]

Yeah, won't argue with any of that.

The big problem, for decades, is the lack of people even bothering to vote. My gut feeling is now, that the many millions of the working class have had enough, and will get out and vote this time, like they did with Brexit. Party Politics hasn't been worth voting on in most people's eyes, clearly, but that system is falling apart in front of our eyes, and there will be a change like we've never seen at the next election. 

I could, of course, be wrong. And regardless, I'll be voting for what i think is right.

[wils]

The big question is will he split the right wing vote further and hand Labour another election?

I was concerned about that, but the more I've thought about it, you have to go with your gut and have a bit of conviction. Hand on heart, who would you rather as PM, Lowe or Farage? I don't even have to think twice, so that's where I'll vote.

Fair enough. Although we have accept not everyone will see things the same as you and there are millions of people like One Sunny Day whom, for whatever reason, would be happier with an open-borders pro-diversity PM in place. You can win some people over with arguments but what drives most people is self-interest. For example, wealthy middle-class people aren't as vulnerable as working-class people to the effects of immigration so you won't easily convince them by arguments alone to forego cheap labour and having a range of exotic foreign restaurants in their neighbourhoods. You'll never get through to them and they will always in their hearts dismiss your concerns and struggles as simply motivated by xenophobia.

So my point is that politics is not a game of being 'right' about something, it's about building coalitions across a spectrum of self-interested political opinions and in that context I am not convinced this addition is helpful.

[Eerie Decent]

Reform are not ring-wing enough.

Are Restore as right wing as Advance UK though, you know that other Reform breakaway party, backed by Tommy ten names? It's going to get confusing for the roundabout painters soon, knowing who to vote for.
Anyway, I see 6 Reform councillors in Kent have defected to Restore. Can't have much of a majority left there, the rate they keep quitting or defecting.

 

 

Panic driven waffle.

Everyone has had enough of that type of hysterical bollocks, no one is buying it now. Your kind have failed to use coherent, fact based arguments, engage with a bit of sincerity, and no one is listening anymore.

if you pillocks hadn't ended every single discussion you've had over the last couple of decades with, what always amounts to, 'YOU'RE RACIST', then maybe it wouldn't have come to this. Too late now, only got yourselves to blame.

[Far Cough UKunt]

Until this country finds a way to be governed by an elected chamber that reflects the overall way people have voted we will not move forward economically or societally.


 

Turn the fucking record off you boring cսnt.

[Eerie Decent]

The big question is will he split the right wing vote further and hand Labour another election?

I was concerned about that, but the more I've thought about it, you have to go with your gut and have a bit of conviction. Hand on heart, who would you rather as PM, Lowe or Farage? I don't even have to think twice, so that's where I'll vote.

[Massive Attack]

Reform are not ring-wing enough.

They are for me. Certainly a damn sight more than the Liberal lily-livered Cons who moved further and further away from their roots. 

[,]

Until this country finds a way to be governed by an elected chamber that reflects the overall way people have voted we will not move forward economically or societally.

 

[Mad Ferret]

One Sunni Day,

Do fuck off pal.

[One Sunny Day]

Reform are not ring-wing enough.

Are Restore as right wing as Advance UK though, you know that other Reform breakaway party, backed by Tommy ten names? It's going to get confusing for the roundabout painters soon, knowing who to vote for.
Anyway, I see 6 Reform councillors in Kent have defected to Restore. Can't have much of a majority left there, the rate they keep quitting or defecting.

[Mad Ferret]

Reform are not ring-wing enough.

[Massive Attack]

The big question is will he split the right wing vote further and hand Labour another election?

Not when the time comes, they'll just join forces and unite the right. 

[Mad Ferret]

The big question is will he split the right wing vote further and hand Labour another election?

Honestly, I think they take pretty much all of Reform's vote.

Farage ruined it by taking on all those Tories who helped us get in this mess.

[wils]

The big question is will he split the right wing vote further and hand Labour another election?

[twoleftfeet]

Big fan of Lowe.

Speaks sense, speaks well and isn’t in this for the money.

Farage was shit scared of him.

[Nutsin]

[Nutsin]

You obviously haven't listened to his opening speech, quite significantly different.

 

I like him, we need more like him. 

[Eerie Decent]

You obviously haven't listened to his opening speech, quite significantly different.