The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)

[Come On You Irons]

There. Resident WHO political commentators and gurus can knock yourselves out in here and conduct your endless bickering. All other threads will be locked.

[Fauxstralian]

Of course everyone is entitled to their opinions as long as they don’t impose them on others 

Some of Kirk’s opinions:
Abortion (even for 10yo rape victims) is worse than the holocaust 
Jewish money has ruined American culture
Joseph Goebbels was a gifted marketer & the loving father of 6 children 

Am getting a vibe here

[OK_Guy]

It hasn't achieved anything with anyone, unless you are in favour of boots on the ground police getting beaten up and extra money from the public being paid to  police this whole thing as well as clean up all the mess they leave behind. Saw several monuments that need spraying with disinfectant thanks to the "proud Brits" desecrating them with their urine.

defacing monuments, hurling abuse at anyone who disagrees with them, fighting & abusing Police officers, calls for the killing of another people, urinating up buildings & monuments, covering their faces like cowards, funded by the Gov. (Hope not Hate), MSN distorting the news because it doesn't fit the narrative... remind you of the Palestinian marches?

for what I saw, the only violence yesterday was instigated by the Police, the March was peaceful, with lots of women, children & disabled people (& men) and there wasn't any paid attendees from UNITE Union.

did it achieve anything?, probably not... it's the same outcome as a Palestine march, people are still staving, bombs are still falling, terrorist are still holding hostages... and people still ignore the conflict in Sudan which is way more desperate than Gaza but hey, it's Muslims doing the killing/genocide (funded by the UAE) but that's ok because it's 'Allah's will'.

[Mike Oxsaw]

He is entitled to his views
I think abortion is a right of women 
Worse than the holocaust?
You?

 

1. What can I (or even powerful, alpha-male you) do about the Holocaust (it is capitalised for a very good reason),
2. What can I (or even powerful, alpha-male you) do about the rights of women?

What is worse, a train or a yacht?

[Mad Dog]

All of this reminds me of a joke i once read

Woman speaking to a man and he says "i believe women should remain in the home and obey their husband, i believe being gay is disgusting should have remained illegal in this country and jews are evil"
Horrified she replied "oh you must be a trump supporter then bigot"
"No no, im a muslim" he answered
She said "oh thats fine then, youre entitled to your beliefs" 

[Mad Dog]

I believe abortion should remain legal (but not readily available as merely contraception)

Kirk believed that at the moment of conception the foetus was a baby and had a soul.  Although i disagree I understand why he and others are anti it.  

[BRANDED]

Everyone is welcome to their opinions so long as I dont have to pay for them. 

[Fauxstralian]

He is entitled to his views
I think abortion is a right of women 
Worse than the holocaust?
You?

[Mike Oxsaw]

He is saying allowing women control of their bodies is WORSE than 6 million Jews being murdered by the Nazis
Agree?

Stop being such a fucking drama queen.

You are giving the impression that he is not entitled to his own personal views and opinions if you don't 100% approve of them.

They are his views, and they may well be identical to the views of hundreds/thousands/millions of others, none of whom I need agree with, yet would never try to forbid them holding.

[Fauxstralian]

He is saying allowing women control of their bodies is WORSE than 6 million Jews being murdered by the Nazis
Agree?

[Mike Oxsaw]

Just saw another Kirk clip 
Was asked if he had said abortion was as bad as the holocaust 
Its WORSE was his reply 

Of course he also said if a 10 year old was raped they should have to have the baby

Oh and his reaction to Taylor Swift getting engaged?
She should submit to her husband as she isn’t in charge any more
ha ha ha 



 

 

 

Given that the Holocaust is a (long) past event that we cannot change and preventing a raped 10 year old giving birth some time in the next (future) 9 months is an outcome that can be changed/influenced, I can see where that comparison - albeit erroneous - comes from.

A far better parallel would be: "If this raped 10 year old does not proceed to full term and produce a baby, 6 million living Jews (and a few others - yet to be determined) will instantly be murdered."

If those are the only 2 options, which is the better?.

[violator]

. A load of shouty extremist Stella drinkers looking for a ruck,  who hate people who opposed their views

Sounds a lot like antifa

[Fauxstralian]

Just saw another Kirk clip 
Was asked if he had said abortion was as bad as the holocaust 
Its WORSE was his reply 

Of course he also said if a 10 year old was raped they should have to have the baby

Oh and his reaction to Taylor Swift getting engaged?
She should submit to her husband as she isn’t in charge any more
ha ha ha 

 

[goose]

The point being that the shitness of this country is very little to do with illegal immigration.

doesn’t mean it’s not worth solving though.

[Mike Oxsaw]

If you think this march is great or achieved anything, give your head a wobble.

The march wasn't intend to achieve anything with the likes of you, They son.

It hasn't achieved anything with anyone, unless you are in favour of boots on the ground police getting beaten up and extra money from the public being paid to  police this whole thing as well as clean up all the mess they leave behind. Saw several monuments that need spraying with disinfectant thanks to the "proud Brits" desecrating them with their urine.

Get shot of the illegals the instant they arrive and none of this would be happening.

There might be protests about other failings of the state, but no illegals on UK soil means no protests about illegals on UK soil.

How difficult a concept is that to grasp, whichever way your politics drag you?

[Mike Oxsaw]

Can you point me at the overwhelming media coverage of ‘
the ‘welcome all illegals’ views?

 

If that was aimed at me, can you please point out where I said the media coverage  was "overwhelming"?

[Mad Dog]

"Are you saying he has been misrepresented in his views on gays, the role of women, blacks, the intelligence of blacks , the importance of gun ownership & the insignificance of deaths caused etc etc"

In a lot of cases, yes.  Media are cherry picking parts of quotes in many of these cases to try to make him sound a lot worse than he was

Dave Rubin for example os another political commentator and he and his husband were good friends with kirk and his wife.  His issue with thr black community wasn't race it was that  fatherless families had led to a disproportionate crime rate etc.

He was a devout Christian and promoted Christian values such as thr family unit.

I didnt agree with a lot of his views (abortion and guns especially) but he was entitled to them.  And none of them deserved a bullet

[BRANDED]

Less than 50% of people pay income tax. Most at this march would have been tax payers. They would prefer their taxes going to keeping them safe from masked antifa vigilantes than marches for arabs. 

I was in town after the game and the people I saw were the most ordinary middle class and working class people you will ever meet. 
 

[Mad Dog]

Faux being the son of a trump fan does not make the shooter automatically a trump fan 

[One Sunny Day]

If you think this march is great or achieved anything, give your head a wobble.

The march wasn't intend to achieve anything with the likes of you, They son.

It hasn't achieved anything with anyone, unless you are in favour of boots on the ground police getting beaten up and extra money from the public being paid to  police this whole thing as well as clean up all the mess they leave behind. Saw several monuments that need spraying with disinfectant thanks to the "proud Brits" desecrating them with their urine.

[Lee Trundle]

If you think this march is great or achieved anything, give your head a wobble.

The march wasn't intend to achieve anything with the likes of you, They son.

[One Sunny Day]

You know,  my feelings watching the march, as a left winger who can disagree with but respect moderate right wingers-
It was supposed to be about unity but I saw the opposite of that. A load of shouty extremist Stella drinkers looking for a ruck,  who hate people who opposed their views, along with a load of fairly normal types who had fallen for all the flag waving and blaming everything on immigrants.
The truth is that if Farage and company get in and by some miracle get rid of all the asylum seekers, in their first couple of weeks, the money they will save is miniscule and not nearly enough to sort out the real problems that matter, you know, housing, the NHS, the cost of living and education. Those are the things that are in crisis and, like I'm sure most here want, are the priorities. Unfortunately there isn't a quick fix and starting on immigrants and Muslims isn't going to help matters.
For a march, supposedly about making Britain great again, it's laughable, if it wasn't so serious, to see a crowd cheering on a live stream from a foreigner, Elon Musk, trying to incite civil war in this country. Also ridiculous seeing people moaning about lefties celebrating Charlie Kirk's murder, cheering a guy directly calling for the assasination of Kier Starmer, a guy who has directly condemned and mourned his killing.
If you think this march is great or achieved anything, give your head a wobble.

[Lee Trundle]

Can you point me at the overwhelming media coverage of ‘
the ‘welcome all illegals’ views?


 

https://news.sky.com/video/abbott-calls ... d-13429850

[Sydney_Iron]

Seen all the stuff about Kirk being homophobic, anti Trans etc etc, this clip well and truly kicks that out the park.

[Fauxstralian]

Can you point me at the overwhelming media coverage of ‘
the ‘welcome all illegals’ views?

Jaan
All of Kirk’s views & outpourings have been reported via his podcasts/tiktok/public events etc
Are you saying he has been misrepresented in his views on gays, the role of women, blacks, the intelligence of blacks , the importance of gun ownership & the insignificance of deaths caused etc etc
Appears a bit ironic that he has been killed by a gun loving son of Trump fanatics for not being extreme enough. Despite the killer having a trans ‘room mate’. Who are we supposed to be praying for now?
Right wing Team Kirk or Extreme Right wing Team Robinson
Has Tommy decided yet?
 

[Mike Oxsaw]

I note that (all) the MSM are focussing on "the violence" and trying to play down the size of the march.

It was inevitable that rent-a-mob would turn up and kick things off  - anything to have a pop at plod for them, whatever the occasion. Perfect for a bit of "black flag", too - not that I'm suggesting the state resort to such a thing when it comes to ensuring the safety of our women & children.

I would have expected a far bigger turn out at the "Welcome all illegals" rally, given the media minutes/column inches that part of society generates.