The Official Politics Thread (enter at your own risk)

[Come On You Irons]

There. Resident WHO political commentators and gurus can knock yourselves out in here and conduct your endless bickering. All other threads will be locked.

[Fauxstralian]

Stuff happens
A lot of people didn’t like that guy

Trump on the Saudis (ie the bodyguards of the Crown Prince) chopping up the journalist Khashoggi 
 

[Nutsin]

If true you can all expect even more misery 
across the UK.

well done to all those who defend the invaders.

https://fb.watch/DtIz41gk6C/?mibextid=wwXIfr&fs=e

[Nutsin]

Well said that man!

[THUNDERCLINT]

So.

As a prelude to what will be a very unpalatable Labour budget all round, we have a co-ordinated character assignation of Farage, clearly orchestrated to divert the newshounds away from governmental bad news.

Oh, wait! I'm only a voter. Too stupid to see things like that for what they are..

It's just so desperate. I wonder where they dug these clowns up from, why it took 50 years to make the allegations and which hole kweer promised them a go on for the favour.

[Mike Oxsaw]

So.

As a prelude to what will be a very unpalatable Labour budget all round, we have a co-ordinated character assignation of Farage, clearly orchestrated to divert the newshounds away from governmental bad news.

Oh, wait! I'm only a voter. Too stupid to see things like that for what they are..

[THUNDERCLINT]

Give it a fortnight and it'll be a labour policy.

[Nutsin]

[Nutsin]

[Massive Attack]

[Mike Oxsaw]

Your very lucky l ain't a grass unlike you when worked TV detector vans..ironically lol 

You fall for it every time. You NEED to fall for it every time. You're clearly MY bitch.

Any chance of you showing respect for your fellow posters and moving this grudge onto PM instead of spamming up every thread?

"Enter at own risk"...did you read that on thread title?
Plus I'm making fair point about digital ID cards which I'm all for and clearly you're not which l understand would financially affect you 
Sorry if this triggers and upsets you....actually I'm not Sorry at all its hilarious 

What "risk" do you perceive I'm at from posting on this thread? That you will post more unfounded and unproven/un-provable shit on me? I can live with that, bitch.

So. ID cards, digital or otherwise, I've had to hold, by law, with no issue, since I first started working/living abroad as an expat are a problem for me? Only in YOUR head.

ID card in the UK? No issue for me, don't need one as the Government have all the information they need and I'm no longer working....hold that thought.

Following your apoplectic tirades I had a look at my details and realised that I'd not supplied my Dutch So-Fi number to the pensions people.

Done that now and as a result my pension will go up even more. Ching! Ching! & thanks! Buy you a beer next time you see me in The Bull.

Still not prepared to take this out of the public domain and onto PM on here, I notice. Now. Why could that be?

[XKhammer]

And we can all see that you have absolutely zero knowledge and experience of living and working abroad.

Incidentally, all UK pensioners are specifically excluded from being required to hold a Karmercard, so how would that impact me?

Your very lucky l ain't a grass unlike you when worked TV detector vans..ironically lol 

You fall for it every time. You NEED to fall for it every time. You're clearly MY bitch.

Any chance of you showing respect for your fellow posters and moving this grudge onto PM instead of spamming up every thread?

"Enter at own risk"...did you read that on thread title?
Plus I'm making fair point about digital ID cards which I'm all for and clearly you're not which l understand would financially affect you 
Sorry if this triggers and upsets you....actually I'm not Sorry at all its hilarious 

[Mike Oxsaw]

We all know why you don't want the digital ID cards because it would catch you out wouldn't it!

And we can all see that you have absolutely zero knowledge and experience of living and working abroad.

Incidentally, all UK pensioners are specifically excluded from being required to hold a Karmercard, so how would that impact me?

Your very lucky l ain't a grass unlike you when worked TV detector vans..ironically lol 

You fall for it every time. You NEED to fall for it every time. You're clearly MY bitch.

Any chance of you showing respect for your fellow posters and moving this grudge onto PM instead of spamming up every thread?

[XKhammer]

 

If they have a legitimate job offer and are sponsored by the employer, no problem, but there's already an immigration channel/path set up for such cases.

Additionally, there's probably a legal requirement for councils to address homelessness and these illegal immigrants would be the easiest to deal with, and doing so hits targets/ticks boxes.

On the issue if ID cards, no it won't help if (IF) someone is working cash-in-hand below the radar, and the CPS is already overwhelmed with a backlog of cases, so even if it is introduced in theory, in practice it would probably take many years for such cases to reach the review and assessment stage.

If someone can't get work, given that they've already committed an offence by entering the country, it wouldn't be that surprising if a fair percentage of these people turn to (more) crime for support if they can't work (but are free to wander around the community to commit that crime). Guaranteed that such data won't be available though.

And the one-in-one out policy has already been identified as flawed, so that's another waste of taxpayers' money; add in the fact that France doesn't seem too keen to keep such people within it's own national boundaries and it's clear that the solution needs to be 100% home-grown and home-driven.

As for reallocation of resources, the NHS has got to find 1 billion (1 BILLION!!!) pounds to pay for the redundancy of a handful of managers and administrators. Instead of paying them off, open up an avenue for these people to move into a department that helps address illegal immigration and there's an instant win-win for the government (but not the State).

We all know why you don't want the digital ID cards because it would catch you out wouldn't it!

And we can all see that you have absolutely zero knowledge and experience of living and working abroad.

Incidentally, all UK pensioners are specifically excluded from being required to hold a Karmercard, so how would that impact me?

Your very lucky l ain't a grass unlike you when worked TV detector vans..ironically lol 

[Fauxstralian]

If someone is working as a desk jockey in the NHS you can’t ‘transfer’ them into UK ICE to hunt illegals
Youd effectively be making them redundant and have to pay them off

 

[Mike Oxsaw]

Mike
Isnt the concern people coming in and getting benefits & housing rather than them coming in and working?

Apart from acknowledging that anyone travelling from France (ie a safe country) isn’t a refugee you don’t think making refugee status a temporary thing isn’t an improvement?
Or that introducing a Digital ID  & prosecuting anyone employing someone without one also would help

More resources are obviously needed
Perhaps in the modern era of communications we could decrease the number of MP’s from 600 to 60 & the rest could be employed rooting out illegal workers. 

 

If they have a legitimate job offer and are sponsored by the employer, no problem, but there's already an immigration channel/path set up for such cases.

Additionally, there's probably a legal requirement for councils to address homelessness and these illegal immigrants would be the easiest to deal with, and doing so hits targets/ticks boxes.

On the issue if ID cards, no it won't help if (IF) someone is working cash-in-hand below the radar, and the CPS is already overwhelmed with a backlog of cases, so even if it is introduced in theory, in practice it would probably take many years for such cases to reach the review and assessment stage.

If someone can't get work, given that they've already committed an offence by entering the country, it wouldn't be that surprising if a fair percentage of these people turn to (more) crime for support if they can't work (but are free to wander around the community to commit that crime). Guaranteed that such data won't be available though.

And the one-in-one out policy has already been identified as flawed, so that's another waste of taxpayers' money; add in the fact that France doesn't seem too keen to keep such people within it's own national boundaries and it's clear that the solution needs to be 100% home-grown and home-driven.

As for reallocation of resources, the NHS has got to find 1 billion (1 BILLION!!!) pounds to pay for the redundancy of a handful of managers and administrators. Instead of paying them off, open up an avenue for these people to move into a department that helps address illegal immigration and there's an instant win-win for the government (but not the State).

We all know why you don't want the digital ID cards because it would catch you out wouldn't it!

And we can all see that you have absolutely zero knowledge and experience of living and working abroad.

Incidentally, all UK pensioners are specifically excluded from being required to hold a Karmercard, so how would that impact me?

[XKhammer]

Mike
Isnt the concern people coming in and getting benefits & housing rather than them coming in and working?

Apart from acknowledging that anyone travelling from France (ie a safe country) isn’t a refugee you don’t think making refugee status a temporary thing isn’t an improvement?
Or that introducing a Digital ID  & prosecuting anyone employing someone without one also would help

More resources are obviously needed
Perhaps in the modern era of communications we could decrease the number of MP’s from 600 to 60 & the rest could be employed rooting out illegal workers. 

 

If they have a legitimate job offer and are sponsored by the employer, no problem, but there's already an immigration channel/path set up for such cases.

Additionally, there's probably a legal requirement for councils to address homelessness and these illegal immigrants would be the easiest to deal with, and doing so hits targets/ticks boxes.

On the issue if ID cards, no it won't help if (IF) someone is working cash-in-hand below the radar, and the CPS is already overwhelmed with a backlog of cases, so even if it is introduced in theory, in practice it would probably take many years for such cases to reach the review and assessment stage.

If someone can't get work, given that they've already committed an offence by entering the country, it wouldn't be that surprising if a fair percentage of these people turn to (more) crime for support if they can't work (but are free to wander around the community to commit that crime). Guaranteed that such data won't be available though.

And the one-in-one out policy has already been identified as flawed, so that's another waste of taxpayers' money; add in the fact that France doesn't seem too keen to keep such people within it's own national boundaries and it's clear that the solution needs to be 100% home-grown and home-driven.

As for reallocation of resources, the NHS has got to find 1 billion (1 BILLION!!!) pounds to pay for the redundancy of a handful of managers and administrators. Instead of paying them off, open up an avenue for these people to move into a department that helps address illegal immigration and there's an instant win-win for the government (but not the State).

We all know why you don't want the digital ID cards because it would catch you out wouldn't it!

[Mike Oxsaw]

Mike
Isnt the concern people coming in and getting benefits & housing rather than them coming in and working?

Apart from acknowledging that anyone travelling from France (ie a safe country) isn’t a refugee you don’t think making refugee status a temporary thing isn’t an improvement?
Or that introducing a Digital ID  & prosecuting anyone employing someone without one also would help

More resources are obviously needed
Perhaps in the modern era of communications we could decrease the number of MP’s from 600 to 60 & the rest could be employed rooting out illegal workers. 

 

 

If they have a legitimate job offer and are sponsored by the employer, no problem, but there's already an immigration channel/path set up for such cases.

Additionally, there's probably a legal requirement for councils to address homelessness and these illegal immigrants would be the easiest to deal with, and doing so hits targets/ticks boxes.

On the issue if ID cards, no it won't help if (IF) someone is working cash-in-hand below the radar, and the CPS is already overwhelmed with a backlog of cases, so even if it is introduced in theory, in practice it would probably take many years for such cases to reach the review and assessment stage.

If someone can't get work, given that they've already committed an offence by entering the country, it wouldn't be that surprising if a fair percentage of these people turn to (more) crime for support if they can't work (but are free to wander around the community to commit that crime). Guaranteed that such data won't be available though.

And the one-in-one out policy has already been identified as flawed, so that's another waste of taxpayers' money; add in the fact that France doesn't seem too keen to keep such people within it's own national boundaries and it's clear that the solution needs to be 100% home-grown and home-driven.

As for reallocation of resources, the NHS has got to find 1 billion (1 BILLION!!!) pounds to pay for the redundancy of a handful of managers and administrators. Instead of paying them off, open up an avenue for these people to move into a department that helps address illegal immigration and there's an instant win-win for the government (but not the State).

[XKhammer]

Mike
Isnt the concern people coming in and getting benefits & housing rather than them coming in and working?

Apart from acknowledging that anyone travelling from France (ie a safe country) isn’t a refugee you don’t think making refugee status a temporary thing isn’t an improvement?
Or that introducing a Digital ID  & prosecuting anyone employing someone without one also would help

More resources are obviously needed
Perhaps in the modern era of communications we could decrease the number of MP’s from 600 to 60 & the rest could be employed rooting out illegal workers. 

Dream on if think the MP's will vote themselves out of a well paid corrupt job and actually do a proper job like rooting out illegals,but 100% agree with using digital ID and seizing the assets of any companies etc who hire illegals 

[Fauxstralian]

Mike
Isnt the concern people coming in and getting benefits & housing rather than them coming in and working?

Apart from acknowledging that anyone travelling from France (ie a safe country) isn’t a refugee you don’t think making refugee status a temporary thing isn’t an improvement?
Or that introducing a Digital ID  & prosecuting anyone employing someone without one also would help

More resources are obviously needed
Perhaps in the modern era of communications we could decrease the number of MP’s from 600 to 60 & the rest could be employed rooting out illegal workers. 

[XKhammer]

Bring in a British Rights Act overriding ECHR (this will upset the woke/loony left)
No asylum claim rights if you entered the country illegally 
No benefits = no boats
Bring in ID cards for all work/benefits/travel(this will upset conspiracy theorist loony right)

[Mike Oxsaw]

More "being-seen-to-be-doing-something" tinkering around the edges with regards to the illegal immigration problem, I see.

It won't stop the people coming over (in boats) because:

1. The government lacks the resources to chase down and deport all who arrive. The State/Establishment certainly lack the enthusiasm to do so,
2. Those arriving know they can easily find work in the black/grey economy, out of sight of any authority,
3. There are people (legally) in the country knowledgeable enough on the way things work to get around any legal/authoritarian restrictions and make a fast buck themselves while doing so.

Also, with regard to the numbers being bounced around concerning the removals, how many of those are illegal boat arrivals and how many are down to the administrative changes brought about by Brexit?
 

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

Of course
Starmer Sunak Truss Johnson & Cameron … probably the worst 5 PM’s in living memory. 

This government has been as dithering & incompetent as the last
Starmer is supposed to be a Kings Counsel so you’d expect some charisma & eloquence but he is a gibbering confused mess
Reeves is promoted well beyond her competence & this delayed budget & flip flopping is beyond belief 
I hear the latest wheeze is restricting salary sacrifice into pensions so people are less likely to provide for their own retirement. All while politicians sit on gold plated pensions
They are all dismal which could see an even worse result … the idiot Farage
What a time to be alive 

May, Brown and Callaghan were all worse than Cameron and Sunak. Home, too if you're over sixty.

[Massive Attack]

And farage is a fucking traitor. 

How is he a Traitor to the Country?

[Pshyco scored all 4]

The Tories had 14 years to sort out the homelessness problem. Yet it got worse under them . Labour are no longer labour . And farage is a fucking traitor. No wonder the smaller parties are picking up . Shame Corbyn didn't win in 2017 that would have genuinely pissed off the so called elites who NF is a member of . 

[THUNDERCLINT]

Of course
Starmer Sunak Truss Johnson & Cameron … probably the worst 5 PM’s in living memory. 

This government has been as dithering & incompetent as the last
Starmer is supposed to be a Kings Counsel so you’d expect some charisma & eloquence but he is a gibbering confused mess
Reeves is promoted well beyond her competence & this delayed budget & flip flopping is beyond belief 
I hear the latest wheeze is restricting salary sacrifice into pensions so people are less likely to provide for their own retirement. All while politicians sit on gold plated pensions
They are all dismal which could see an even worse result … the idiot Farage
What a time to be alive 

"Starmer is supposed to be a Kings Counsel so you’d expect some charisma & eloquence but he is a gibbering confused mess"

I've made this point before. It blows my mind how dull he is. I've known barristers socially, and although they are slippery, disingenuous buggers, they are not short on wit and charisma. I wonder how much time Starmer actually spent in court, as opposed to background managerial stuff. I just can't see him being successful at trial. 

He was very successful over the barrel, allegedly.