Nuno Out

[northbankfrank]

2,500 posts by the end of the season?

[threesixty]

He’s absolutely done better than you might expect purely off his cleverness and poachers instincts but he’s levels below what we need especially in terms of fitness speed and physicality against premier league defenders week in week out. 

 

 

I think that’s the point I’ve been making as well. On paper his approach sort of makes sense. I.e. don’t build a team to play with a target man that might not be available and we don’t have a backup for. 

he’s probably had to work very hard in training with the squad to work out patterns of play that don’t involve Wilson. It’s pragmatic I suppose. 

I think he just didn’t realise how poor our senior forward players are in finishing. We are creating chances so part of the plan worked. I just think he hasn’t managed the optics here. From a simplistic point of view it does look mad not playing your best finisher in a relegation battle. The fans will accept it if he gets injured or your team doesn’t know how to play when he’s off the pitch. I think we did the same with Andy Carroll tbh. The fans seemed to accept BFS had no other way of playing without Carroll and we dropped liked a stone until he came back. No one really seemed to have a go at Sam for not having a plan B here. And Sam built the narrative that his hands were tied and it’s all about getting great players and you can’t coach shit players etc.  and the fans lapped it up. 

It’s showbiz at the end of the day. No one wants the detail they just want the show. The idea that an experienced manager isn’t playing his best finisher every second he can because he’s just plain stupid is a simple story to digest. And that’s what everyone thinks and they’ll kick him out on that narrative. (Forget the improvements to all the other squad players, Todibo, Killman, AWB etc… this is the hill our fans will die on). 

It’s a shame. 
but it’s Nuno job to manage the optics and the team at the same time I suppose. He gets paid enough. I just hope he gets a window like all the other abject failures our fans have given a ridiculous amount of time to fail with. 

[BoleynGone]

I don't want to see more than 5 defensive players on the bench. 
The other 4 have to be Summerville,Marshall,Guilherme,Earthy.
there's enough cover with Myers,Golambeckis/Kante,Soucek,Irving/Rodriguez

[El Scorchio]

He’s absolutely done better than you might expect purely off his cleverness and poachers instincts but he’s levels below what we need especially in terms of fitness speed and physicality against premier league defenders week in week out. 

[ragingbull]

The only Way I would want Bilic is if he was playing center half.

[Massive Attack]

A goal (and an assist) every 156 minutes given only 6 (5 under Nuno) starts out of 18 League matches he's been available to play in all season is pretty good having to feed off scraps. 

The same Striker remember that was laughably taken off soon after the restart in the Bournemouth game on a likely Hat-Trick. 

[El Scorchio]

I agree he’s the best of what we’ve got but I’m going to have to say was recently a proper striker rather than is. He’s just not up to scratch in 2026. You can tell he’s got talent from little flashes and glimpses and the mind is sharp but physically he’s just not there. If he was we’d never have got him. 

[Massive Attack]

Wilson still is a proper Striker. He just needs to play regularly from the start. Agreed on not having any stupid half measures.

[El Scorchio]

Well according to the bbc website he ‘will be backed’ in January so he’s not going anywhere at least for now. I do make that the least bad option personally given our situation provided he is indeed backed fully and not with stupid half measures like a freebie from Brighton’s reserves or a past it cripple who was once a proper striker. 

[theaxeman]

Apparently, we've bought 56 and only 2 have gone on to score 20 goals in their West Ham career! Not in a season, their entire West Ham career!!!!

 

Carroll, C Cole and Sakho have all scored 20+  career goals for West Ham. 

Premier league goals, but the point stands I think.

[Massive Attack]

You could gift Nuno Harry Kane and he'd still waste him mainly on the Bench for the occasional trot out late in the 2nd half. 

[Sir Alf]

Part of me thinks / hopes that not having a physical, reasonably quick central striker ( target man ) is a huge part of why improvements elsewhere under Nuno ( set pieces, midfield strength) have delivered very little results wise.  But, Imo, the central defence and now LB is an obvious/material weakness. But the squad also needs another good midfielder who can carry the ball, have some pace and physicality. Paqueta remains an issue too. An alternative creatively in midfield. Can we get or do we have someone who works tirelessly for the team, can compete physically etc. but also create chances from midfield without the trade off in lost possession / cheap turnovers and generalself indulgence.

Just too much to fix in Jan with our budget but an effective central striker is critical to have any chance of picking up a few more points thats for sure. Imho of course

[goose]

Fucking hell! These are your examples? If you have to go back 29 years to include Hartson and Kitson and only include 2 current players, one of whom was clearly making step forward in his career and the other of whom would only initially sign on loan  I'd say that you've pretty much proved my point

We are aren't deep in relegation trouble every year. You don't sign tonnes of players in the Jan window either. We can sign loan players now, so why wouldnt they count? They still come in and make a difference.

They are examples of players brought in when we were deep in the shit. Good players who have come in and improved the squad. It's entirely possible.

 

Bilic was a summer signing
Reiper was a punt who'd never played overseas - and we were far from marooned when he joined
Hartson & Kitson, absolutely
Demba Ba signed because he'd failed medicals at 2 other clubs
Lucas Neil, yes
Boa Morte? ahem...
Jarrod and Soucek I've already covered. I'll give you three players in 30 years

 

 

Righto, so if a player has not played in the PL they dont count? Of course Reiper counts.

BTW BIlic signed in January '96 and made his debut away at Spurs on a monday night.

So Bilic, Reiper, Ba, Hartson, Kitson, Bowen and Soucek. 
4 relegation struggles and we have signed 7 players who all improved the squad. 3 or the 4 times we stayed up in no small part due to those players.


but apparently those players dont exist.............

[Westside]

Apparently, we've bought 56 and only 2 have gone on to score 20 goals in their West Ham career! Not in a season, their entire West Ham career!!!!

 

 

Carroll, C Cole and Sakho have all scored 20+  career goals for West Ham. 

[onsideman]

I'd say its more delusional to assume better players don't exist and aren't interested.

With that attitude we'd never have signed Bilic, Reiper, Hartson, Kitson, Demba Ba, Lucas Neil, Luis Boa Morte, Matthew Upson, Jarrod Bowen, Tomas Soucek etc etc.

Fucking hell! These are your examples? If you have to go back 29 years to include Hartson and Kitson and only include 2 current players, one of whom was clearly making step forward in his career and the other of whom would only initially sign on loan  I'd say that you've pretty much proved my point

We are aren't deep in relegation trouble every year. You don't sign tonnes of players in the Jan window either. We can sign loan players now, so why wouldnt they count? They still come in and make a difference.

They are examples of players brought in when we were deep in the shit. Good players who have come in and improved the squad. It's entirely possible.

 

 

Bilic was a summer signing
Reiper was a punt who'd never played overseas - and we were far from marooned when he joined
Hartson & Kitson, absolutely
Demba Ba signed because he'd failed medicals at 2 other clubs
Lucas Neil, yes
Boa Morte? ahem...
Jarrod and Soucek I've already covered. I'll give you three players in 30 years

[Massive Attack]

Then we deserve what we are currently getting rooted in the bottom 3 managed by Nuno effectively 6 points cut adrift. That is on Nuno as much as the Board for creating that. No one is going to convince me that Leeds promoted Squad is so much far superior to ours yet they are effectively 8 points away from us now. Eyes are fixed firmly on Nuno for achieving that cavernous gap.  

[scott_d]

Compared to Potter and Loppy, Nuno has improved our performances.

Sadly, it' still not enough and it looks like there has been some real damage done since we dropped Moyes and shopped for replacements in the sale rail.

Sacking Nuno isn't the answer unless it means investing in a replacement, but we all know that's not an option so the only alternative is to back him in the transfer window.

But again, what is the likelihood that Sullivan allows Nuno to bring in the players he wants?

It's a fucking mess and it's not really Nuno's fault.







 

 

Because of how Nuno has poorly mismanaged the results leading up to the Transfer window opening, no one decent will want to join now. We are 6 points away from safety as it currently stands. Players will not want to come. Hence why our only real longshot chance is to get Strand Larsen for around £40M muted that Wolves would accept as they know they are a total lost cause, whereas we have a small chance of still surviving but have to yet again pay well over the odds for a player that risky with confidence currently through the floor. 

A lot of the form since he arrived really is his fault, just as much as BS and Potter this season. No way is he blameless getting an easy ride.

What we need is a charismatic man manager that will inspire this anxiety ridden pussies, that's about our only hope and Nuno aint that man to inspire them in to reacting. The evidence after 13 games is undeniable. *folds arms looking shell-shocked defeated and gormless*

 

 

I agree, he's not blameless and has contributed to our current league position, but we are not here because of Nuno.
The squad he has been left with, that was assembled by a mixture of Moyes, Lopetegi, Potter, Sullivan and Steidten, with no real strategy or thought behind the style of play, has made his job harder than most.
I still think we are a better team right now, with at least a fraction of identity, than we were under Potter and Lopetegi.  Some of our defeats have been hard luck, individual mistakes, rather than some of the absolute shit-shows we saw under the previous 2.

But there is no way that Sullivan will appoint a manager with any kind of personality or character.  

[theaxeman]

Apparently, we've bought 56 and only 2 have gone on to score 20 goals in their West Ham career! Not in a season, their entire West Ham career!!!!

[Massive Attack]

The point with Wilson is he has to start as he is our only recognised, central striking option and getting ahead in games. We know he cannot play 90 mins and Nuno has been approaching it the wrong way around arguably especially in home games. Not sure what his thinking is? That the opposition will get tired and Wilson coming on late exploits that? Seems he didnt consider if our players might get even more tired and more likely to concede( exactly what happened to Scarles who was  )?  Or is it that he wants a midfield 4 to start games so only 2 up top? At home whatever it is, it has failed

 

 

And doesn't this post just typify his baffling decisions when fans are so confused about his thinking that you've felt the need to ask 4 different questions regarding Wilson. It's more simpler than that. The weirdo needs sectioning as none of it makes any sense.

[goose]

And there you have it.
We have a squad as good as anyone in the bottom half and we will be OK with one defensive and one attacking leader joining a seriously relagation-threatened club (as long as they are good enough and despite not having been able to sign either in multiple transfer windows over multiple years with bigger budgets and better prospects) and can add Antonio to the mix (as long as long as he proves his fitness). Borderline delusional

I'd say its more delusional to assume better players don't exist and aren't interested.

With that attitude we'd never have signed Bilic, Reiper, Hartson, Kitson, Demba Ba, Lucas Neil, Luis Boa Morte, Matthew Upson, Jarrod Bowen, Tomas Soucek etc etc.

Fucking hell! These are your examples? If you have to go back 29 years to include Hartson and Kitson and only include 2 current players, one of whom was clearly making step forward in his career and the other of whom would only initially sign on loan  I'd say that you've pretty much proved my point

We are aren't deep in relegation trouble every year. You don't sign tonnes of players in the Jan window either. We can sign loan players now, so why wouldnt they count? They still come in and make a difference.

They are examples of players brought in when we were deep in the shit. Good players who have come in and improved the squad. It's entirely possible.

[Sir Alf]

The point with Wilson is he has to start as he is our only recognised, central striking option and getting ahead in games. We know he cannot play 90 mins and Nuno has been approaching it the wrong way around arguably especially in home games. Not sure what his thinking is? That the opposition will get tired and Wilson coming on late exploits that? Seems he didnt consider if our players might get even more tired and more likely to concede( exactly what happened to Scarles who was  )?  Or is it that he wants a midfield 4 to start games so only 2 up top? At home whatever it is, it has failed

[onsideman]

If we want any sort of improvement up front we have to go out and get a bona fide starting calibre striker who will get picked to start every game by this manager or any other who may be stupid or desperate enough to take the job should it become available. 

We have bought over 50 of 'strikers'. A significant amount of those were 'bona fide' when we bought them but did nothing for us. And many of those left to go and perform well at the clubs they left for. So not convinced it's as simple as 'buying' a striker. But not having a one at all is not the way forward either. Playing Bowen where he is most productive is essential. I would just rotate between Soucek and Wilson up front at this point. I would put any money into shoring up the defence.

Bringng on Soucek for Wilson cost us 2 points at Bournemouth

[wils]

If we want any sort of improvement up front we have to go out and get a bona fide starting calibre striker who will get picked to start every game by this manager or any other who may be stupid or desperate enough to take the job should it become available. 

We have bought over 50 of 'strikers'. A significant amount of those were 'bona fide' when we bought them but did nothing for us. And many of those left to go and perform well at the clubs they left for. So not convinced it's as simple as 'buying' a striker. But not having a one at all is not the way forward either. Playing Bowen where he is most productive is essential. I would just rotate between Soucek and Wilson up front at this point. I would put any money into shoring up the defence.

[boleyn8420]

Here's a fucking clue Nuno you absolute cսnt. The last time we won against Burnley and Newcastle Wilson started. Just do that, you complete waste of fucking space. Sack him now

[onsideman]

again it's a given that he'd prove his fitness before being offered any kind of deal.

And there you have it.
We have a squad as good as anyone in the bottom half and we will be OK with one defensive and one attacking leader joining a seriously relagation-threatened club (as long as they are good enough and despite not having been able to sign either in multiple transfer windows over multiple years with bigger budgets and better prospects) and can add Antonio to the mix (as long as long as he proves his fitness). Borderline delusional

I'd say its more delusional to assume better players don't exist and aren't interested.

With that attitude we'd never have signed Bilic, Reiper, Hartson, Kitson, Demba Ba, Lucas Neil, Luis Boa Morte, Matthew Upson, Jarrod Bowen, Tomas Soucek etc etc.

Fucking hell! These are your examples? If you have to go back 29 years to include Hartson and Kitson and only include 2 current players, one of whom was clearly making step forward in his career and the other of whom would only initially sign on loan  I'd say that you've pretty much proved my point

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

I never wanted Callum Wilson but as our only available option as striker, he has to play. It’s no good playing Bowen out of position as it weakens our game.

It’s incredible that Nuno is completely oblivious to this. But then this is a bloke that has continually tinkered with line ups and subs that make little sense.