Nuno Out

[northbankfrank]

2,500 posts by the end of the season?

[Rossal]

Different games have different flows. Summerville had been injured for a few games previous, and he is the only player in the squad with genuine pace who can trouble teams on the counter.

You're using a 19 year old Brazilian who, let's be honest, has been absolute pony in the odd game he has started, Earthy, who has been injured and mostly struggled to get game time last season at Bristol City, and as for Marshall, I'm not even gonna bother to respond to calls for him anymore, I've said what I've said, he looked like a raffle winner last time he came on.

I find it absolutely baffling that any West Ham fan can look at that squad, coupled with having watched us at the beginning of the season under Potter, and expect someone to come in, tighten up what was the worst defence I've ever seen for the first 6 games of the season, enable us to defend corners, get us scoring goals in competitive games, AND still expect us to be constantly on the front foot for 90 minutes all out attack, with 1 striker who is 33 years old and has a history of bad injuries, 2 wingers worth a rub of salt, one of whom is injury prone, and fuck all backing the 3 of them up.

To each their own, you keep moaning away about him not playing Callum Marshall, I'll wait till he has a transfer window.

Haha you really have a thing about Marshall don't you....think last week I said i would rather him on the bench then 4 centre mids and this is now the fourth time you've brought it up?  What has he done to rattle you so much? 

And just to clarify, I didnt moan he didnt play him. I moaned at him not putting any forward options on the bench, of which he is one.  If he looks like a raffle winner what did Soucek look like up top against Bournemouth? 

I know the squad is shit, we all know that. But having some legs and pace to come on up top is a better option than having Soucek, Irving or Rodriguez that is my point for the third time! 

No one is asking us to play how you have said above, you've completely made that up to try justify your pointless rant. 

Finally, Earthy won young player of the season at Bristol City. Made 37 appearances in the league. 

[fraser]

We have 4 winnable games, 3 at home and Wolves away.
If Nuno attacks more and none of this 5 at the back with Rodriguez in midfield.
He should know now that he can't sit back in every game.
I doubt he will try and win more than 2 games, draws are not good enough.
Wouldn'tit be wonderful to win 4 of those games because we attacked more,we might get lucky a get a bore draw against Villa.

If we win 2 out of the next 4 I'll be delighted, we've won 3 all season ffs. 

[Eerie Decent]

Different games have different flows. Summerville had been injured for a few games previous, and he is the only player in the squad with genuine pace who can trouble teams on the counter.

You're using a 19 year old Brazilian who, let's be honest, has been absolute pony in the odd game he has started, Earthy, who has been injured and mostly struggled to get game time last season at Bristol City, and as for Marshall, I'm not even gonna bother to respond to calls for him anymore, I've said what I've said, he looked like a raffle winner last time he came on.

I find it absolutely baffling that any West Ham fan can look at that squad, coupled with having watched us at the beginning of the season under Potter, and expect someone to come in, tighten up what was the worst defence I've ever seen for the first 6 games of the season, enable us to defend corners, get us scoring goals in competitive games, AND still expect us to be constantly on the front foot for 90 minutes all out attack, with 1 striker who is 33 years old and has a history of bad injuries, 2 wingers worth a rub of salt, one of whom is injury prone, and fuck all backing the 3 of them up.

To each their own, you keep moaning away about him not playing Callum Marshall, I'll wait till he has a transfer window.

[Rossal]

I'm starting to agree, I'm looking again at the squad, and scratching my head as to why he can't get us playing scintillating football, whst not conceding goals, and being on the front foot for 90 minutes. 

Useless cսnt needs to start picking all the pacey top notch forwards we have, like the raffle ticket to play winner Callum Marshall.

 

We played well on sunday, thought we looked decent going forward.  Hitting teams on the counter with some pace with the likes or Summerville, Ghillurme, Earthy......maybe even Marshall...... is a better option to relieve pressure and get us up the pitch than shoving Soucek up there and being under the cosh for 40 mins. 

It worked against a awful Newcastle team and Burnley so Nuno seems to think its the blueprint now. Any half decent side and we will come unstuck more often than not.  Once you park the bus and sit in if a team scores early then its incredibly hard to swing that momentum back round to try and get a foothold in the game again. It's even harder when you've only got Fullkrug and yet more Centre mids on the bench to try attack a team again. 

[Rossal]

Rossal
We had 2 shot's on target in the whole game.
What are on earth on you on about that's a 2left feet quote ?
None against Arsenal and Liverpool. We hardly attack and hardly shoot on target. Wilson and Bowen the only one's .
If you don't shoot on target you don't score.
If we get more than 2 shots on target against Villa and City I'll be suprised.
If we went for it over the next six games win 3 lose 3 that's 9 points, sit back and settle for a draw that's 4 points even against Wolves.

 

The point is the best we looked and the least chances they had were when we were NOT sitting back and inviting pressure.  Id rather Summerville be up one end missing chances than asking Kilman or Diouf or Mavro to defend.  Thes best way to WIN games and get more points is to keep playing what gave us the lead in the first place. 15 mins to go should  be the earliest point to shut up shop and camp in our box. 

[Eerie Decent]

I'm starting to agree, I'm looking again at the squad, and scratching my head as to why he can't get us playing scintillating football, whst not conceding goals, and being on the front foot for 90 minutes. 

Useless cսnt needs to start picking all the pacey top notch forwards we have, like the raffle ticket to play winner Callum Marshall.
 

[BoleynGone]

Rossal
We had 2 shot's on target in the whole game.
What are on earth on you on about that's a 2left feet quote ?
None against Arsenal and Liverpool. We hardly attack and hardly shoot on target. Wilson and Bowen the only one's .
If you don't shoot on target you don't score.
If we get more than 2 shots on target against Villa and City I'll be suprised.
If we went for it over the next six games win 3 lose 3 that's 9 points, sit back and settle for a draw that's 4 points even against Wolves.
 

[Texas Iron]

2 Words for Nuno’s Brighton game…

Coitus Interruptus…

[Rossal]

I will just point out that at Bournemouth we had far more attacking chances and shots on goal than they did and only converted one.
Statistically the chances of us losing games where we go all out attack are very high because we dont convert enough of our chances anyway!
So I think Nuno is probably right on balance with his approach until we get better, more clinical forward players in the transfer window.

You've kind of answered your own question....

We had far more attacking chances and shots on goal than the opposition away from home before he decided to sit back and park the bus for 40 mins.  We are decent going forward now with the new midfield players so keep attacking teams. Putting pressure defensively on the likes of Diouf and Kilman is suicide. Be brave, and keep playing. 

[threesixty]

I will just point out that at Bournemouth we had far more attacking chances and shots on goal than they did and only converted one.
Statistically the chances of us losing games where we go all out attack are very high because we dont convert enough of our chances anyway!
So I think Nuno is probably right on balance with his approach until we get better, more clinical forward players in the transfer window.

[BoleynGone]

We have 4 winnable games, 3 at home and Wolves away.
If Nuno attacks more and none of this 5 at the back with Rodriguez in midfield.
He should know now that he can't sit back in every game.
I doubt he will try and win more than 2 games, draws are not good enough.
Wouldn'tit be wonderful to win 4 of those games because we attacked more,we might get lucky a get a bore draw against Villa.

[southbankbornnbred]

Meh, I can see the improvements he's brought and while they haven't necessarily yielded results as of yet, it's not even up for debate we are a better, more organised and hard to beat team than under Potter and Lop, and with more of a cutting edge than under Potter. Yes there have been a few missteps (Leeds, Liverpool) but the trend is upward. The squad was/is absolute dogshit barring a handful of good players we have and to a man underperforming. He's improved players.

Under Potter. 6 games, 3 points, loss to WOLVES in the cup, 7 goals scored and 16 conceded
Under Nuno. 10 games 10 points, 12 goals scored and 16 conceded

It ain't great but beggars cannot be choosers. It's better in every metric and we'd be down near wolves with probably less than 10 points at this moment. The projection would be 38 points under a full season of Nuno which would almost certainly keep us up. For the record it would be around 19-20 under Potter had his trend of results continued, but I struggle to see where we'd have even got that given how bad it was.
 
IF he gets what he wants in January and we have a functioning first team never mind squad, we should start picking up more points. It's just a case of whether the damage done by Sullivan, Potter and Lop was too much to overcome or not.
 

This is kinda' where I'm at.

Now that he's stopped pissing around with inverted full backs etc., there's little doubt that Nuno has improved the team. We've gone from being relegation dead certs under Partridge, to having a fighting chance. The team's structure is better and players have more of a clue that they're doing in most weeks. We're "in" games far more regularly than we were. Playing some of the kids has also given the side an energy we lacked, and brought the crowd onside a bit more.

Hopefully, the manager has had a good think about what we need to prioritise in January. A couple of good loan deals might see us right enough to get us out of trouble. I don't think we've got much money to spend, unless we can offload some of the dead wood who might still fetch a fee, like Fullkrug.

Two well-targeted loans (including a striker) and one canny signing - while offloading Fullkrug and Rodriguez - might well be a decent January.

But before any of that, I'd like to see us pick up five or six points over the festive period. That will give us a proper fighting chance. We're capable of picking up points against Villa (only because we're at home), Fulham and Brighton. Man City will probably thrash us.

I feel more positive under Nuno than Potter. If that bloke had stayed, we'd have been down in March.

[Sir Alf]

The most immediate problems are our limited ability to score which seems to boil down to Bowen and 33/34 year old Wilson ( did he look faster than usual yesterday or just the result of being fresh when he came on?). I guess Soucek might continue to pick up the odd goal too but generally going forward we struggle to either create and/or put the chances away. May have to wait until Jan on this and pray we get recruitmentvright for once.

Second big issue, partially linked to the first, home form. Nuno’s low block and countering tactics lend themselves more naturally to playing away as the onus is on the home team, urged on by home support, to try to take the game to the opposition. Although admittedly we looked like the away outfit against Liverpool and will against the top teams anyway.  Nonetheless, we are not strong enough at home and need to be picking up regular wins there to have any chance of survival.

Villa will be a tough game. Im hopeful they bring yhe game to us as I think it suits Nuno’s tactics as it once did under Moyes 20/21 and 21/22 seasons albeit the rot started setting into the squad latter part of 21/22 season IIRC

[El Scorchio]

Meh, I can see the improvements he's brought and while they haven't necessarily yielded results as of yet, it's not even up for debate we are a better, more organised and hard to beat team than under Potter and Lop, and with more of a cutting edge than under Potter. Yes there have been a few missteps (Leeds, Liverpool) but the trend is upward. The squad was/is absolute dogshit barring a handful of good players we have and to a man underperforming. He's improved players.

Under Potter. 6 games, 3 points, loss to WOLVES in the cup, 7 goals scored and 16 conceded
Under Nuno. 10 games 10 points, 12 goals scored and 16 conceded

It ain't great but beggars cannot be choosers. It's better in every metric and we'd be down near wolves with probably less than 10 points at this moment. The projection would be 38 points under a full season of Nuno which would almost certainly keep us up. For the record it would be around 19-20 under Potter had his trend of results continued, but I struggle to see where we'd have even got that given how bad it was.
 
IF he gets what he wants in January and we have a functioning first team never mind squad, we should start picking up more points. It's just a case of whether the damage done by Sullivan, Potter and Lop was too much to overcome or not.

[twoleftfeet]

Frase, So you are judging Marshall on his 30 minutes in the fucked chaos against Brentford and Nuno's let's " keep the score down boy's " isolated up front 30 minutes against Arsenal. No wonder the site cսnt agreed with you. On that  basis Paqueta should never play as a striker too or Bowen for that matter.
Play him when we are allowed to attack in a progressive formation then I will judge again. 
Nuno has allowed to many times for teams to pound our box and it hasn't worked. Stop doing this wrong formation,tactics and subs FFS. Brighton were poor from the start,we weren't any better. A manager seeing that a team is belwo par acts progressively. Nuno is about as progressive as a square wheel, it doesn't work.
No team can draw their way to success. 

Another numbskull. 

[BoleynGone]

Frase, So you are judging Marshall on his 30 minutes in the fucked chaos against Brentford and Nuno's let's " keep the score down boy's " isolated up front 30 minutes against Arsenal. No wonder the site cսnt agreed with you. On that  basis Paqueta should never play as a striker too or Bowen for that matter.
Play him when we are allowed to attack in a progressive formation then I will judge again. 
Nuno has allowed to many times for teams to pound our box and it hasn't worked. Stop doing this wrong formation,tactics and subs FFS. Brighton were poor from the start,we weren't any better. A manager seeing that a team is belwo par acts progressively. Nuno is about as progressive as a square wheel, it doesn't work.
No team can draw their way to success. 

[threesixty]

I know it doesn’t look like it on paper. But he’s transformed how we play in a very short space of time. I think you have to actually watch us play and compare us to before he came. We really don’t look easy to play against at all. We don’t freak out at every set piece against us. No one is running through the middle of our midfield and scoring like they did before. Teams are getting deflections to beat us. Or they are getting dodgy reffing decisions. 

I remember when Curbs took over and it looked like we were going nowhere for ages. You could see us getting better and better but not enough for us to ge out of the relegation zone I think we had a game against spurs where we lost but played really well. We then kicked on from there and stayed up. 

I feel like it’s a bit like that this season but over a longer and easier period of time. We have the time to tune our game, get the right players in Jan etc. 

we have the back and midfield sorted I feel. Controversially I think the missing players are a Summerville with end product and a proper striker and we will kill teams. They will not be able to handle us because we’ve built a solid structure. 

im optimistic because I can see with my eyes the improvements we have made. 

and finally, park the bus / low block means when the ball goes out your defensive line doesn’t move. You use all your outfield players bar maybe the striker in two solid banks just outside or on the area and never want to play the ball. Only to defend it. Thats not how we play otherwise we wouldn’t have as many scoring opportunities that we had. They also would have had more shots on target if we played like that. They weren’t getting shots off because we were doing the work in midfield.

at the end of the game the team chasing will always overload. Thats why we get pushed back. They take the risk because they need to. What people are advocating is that we take the risk and leave their players unmarked so that we score. I get it. It’s the managers choice. But I think getting used to not leaking 2 or 3 goals every single match may help us in the future. 
 

[eusebiovic]

You always think the kids are better yet hardly any make the grade, Kanye is nowhere near Magassa's level I've watched a fair bit of the u-21s and he gives the ball away a lot. Marshall got minutes and stunk the place out. I agree he isn't brave enough when closing games out but we played well and yet you're saying we didn't but Brighton had their worst home game... Yet you can't see why. 







 

 

Always wonder why when we get a result the opposition have had a shit game rather than we forced them to have that shit game? Before yesterday Brighton had never failed to have a shot on goal in the 1st half yet yesterday they couldn’t manage it for some reason? We on the other hand had quite a few chances we didn’t convert. 

I think if you let a team play there normal game they will kill you. Thats why we setup tactically to nullify these teams. A lot of the bigger sides want open games because they have the individuals and space to outscore teams. We don’t have that luxury. We need to be hard to play against. 

I bet every team we’ve played under Nuno has had to battle to get anything out of us. Liverpool were lucky. Same with Brighton and Man Utd. No one is outplaying us anymore. It’s not an easy game like it was under Potter, Loppy etc. and you only have to look at Moyes record at the end of his tenure. We have been destroyed by 3 or 4 goals so many times I’ve lost count. 

The impressive thing for me yesterday was that even though we took our 1st choice midfielders out for the 1st half the replacements still did the same job. There wasn’t a huge difference when Potts and Magassa came on. I think the hallmarks of a strong team are consistency of play with whatever squad members are on the pitch. Strong patterns of play and work ethic before individual brilliance will keep us in this league I believe. 

 

Er, yeah it is an easy game. Brentford beat us easily. Leeds should have been 4-0 up at half time. Liverpool were shit and still beat us.

We have won 2 games out of 10 under this bus parking chump. Stop trying to make out that he has turned us into some world beating team. His win record is worse than those of 'Loser Lop' and 'Pathetic Potter'.

If Brighton has turned up yesterday they would have won easily. They had an off day.

I think he'll keep us up but Nuno still hasn't redeemed himself after that shit inverted full backs tactic which clearly cost us 6 points against Brentford and Leeds. 

We could be 3 points better off without that stupidity

It's getting better...but very s-l-o-w-l-y 

[Come On You Irons]

I would give this bus parking cowardly prick the next four games to save his job.

Six points minimum required from those (Villa home, Man City away, Fulham and Brighton at home).

Draws are no good to us. We need wins.

[Metroplex]

I love it when he holds up a massive sign to the opposition saying 'I'm bringing on a defensive midfielder now, feel free to launch attack after attack while we'll politely sit back until you inevitably score'.
Especially at the exact moment when we're looking like we could go on to win the fucking thing. What is it with this fucking club and thick cowards for managers?

[fraser]

Someone on kumb is claiming both Potts and Magassa passed late fitness tests and that's why Guido played 

[Come On You Irons]

You always think the kids are better yet hardly any make the grade, Kanye is nowhere near Magassa's level I've watched a fair bit of the u-21s and he gives the ball away a lot. Marshall got minutes and stunk the place out. I agree he isn't brave enough when closing games out but we played well and yet you're saying we didn't but Brighton had their worst home game... Yet you can't see why. 




 

 

Always wonder why when we get a result the opposition have had a shit game rather than we forced them to have that shit game? Before yesterday Brighton had never failed to have a shot on goal in the 1st half yet yesterday they couldn’t manage it for some reason? We on the other hand had quite a few chances we didn’t convert. 

I think if you let a team play there normal game they will kill you. Thats why we setup tactically to nullify these teams. A lot of the bigger sides want open games because they have the individuals and space to outscore teams. We don’t have that luxury. We need to be hard to play against. 

I bet every team we’ve played under Nuno has had to battle to get anything out of us. Liverpool were lucky. Same with Brighton and Man Utd. No one is outplaying us anymore. It’s not an easy game like it was under Potter, Loppy etc. and you only have to look at Moyes record at the end of his tenure. We have been destroyed by 3 or 4 goals so many times I’ve lost count. 

The impressive thing for me yesterday was that even though we took our 1st choice midfielders out for the 1st half the replacements still did the same job. There wasn’t a huge difference when Potts and Magassa came on. I think the hallmarks of a strong team are consistency of play with whatever squad members are on the pitch. Strong patterns of play and work ethic before individual brilliance will keep us in this league I believe. 

 

 

Er, yeah it is an easy game. Brentford beat us easily. Leeds should have been 4-0 up at half time. Liverpool were shit and still beat us.

We have won 2 games out of 10 under this bus parking chump. Stop trying to make out that he has turned us into some world beating team. His win record is worse than those of 'Loser Lop' and 'Pathetic Potter'.

If Brighton has turned up yesterday they would have won easily. They had an off day.

[Mad Ferret]

The impressive thing for me yesterday was that even though we took our 1st choice midfielders out for the 1st half the replacements still did the same job. There wasn’t a huge difference when Potts and Magassa came on.

Bringing off Guido actually weakened us.

 

[twoleftfeet]

You always think the kids are better yet hardly any make the grade, Kanye is nowhere near Magassa's level I've watched a fair bit of the u-21s and he gives the ball away a lot. Marshall got minutes and stunk the place out. I agree he isn't brave enough when closing games out but we played well and yet you're saying we didn't but Brighton had their worst home game... Yet you can't see why. 



 

 

Always wonder why when we get a result the opposition have had a shit game rather than we forced them to have that shit game? Before yesterday Brighton had never failed to have a shot on goal in the 1st half yet yesterday they couldn’t manage it for some reason? We on the other hand had quite a few chances we didn’t convert. 

I think if you let a team play there normal game they will kill you. Thats why we setup tactically to nullify these teams. A lot of the bigger sides want open games because they have the individuals and space to outscore teams. We don’t have that luxury. We need to be hard to play against. 

I bet every team we’ve played under Nuno has had to battle to get anything out of us. Liverpool were lucky. Same with Brighton and Man Utd. No one is outplaying us anymore. It’s not an easy game like it was under Potter, Loppy etc. and you only have to look at Moyes record at the end of his tenure. We have been destroyed by 3 or 4 goals so many times I’ve lost count. 

The impressive thing for me yesterday was that even though we took our 1st choice midfielders out for the 1st half the replacements still did the same job. There wasn’t a huge difference when Potts and Magassa came on. I think the hallmarks of a strong team are consistency of play with whatever squad members are on the pitch. Strong patterns of play and work ethic before individual brilliance will keep us in this league I believe. 

Absolutely spot on. You nailed it. 

[threesixty]

You always think the kids are better yet hardly any make the grade, Kanye is nowhere near Magassa's level I've watched a fair bit of the u-21s and he gives the ball away a lot. Marshall got minutes and stunk the place out. I agree he isn't brave enough when closing games out but we played well and yet you're saying we didn't but Brighton had their worst home game... Yet you can't see why. 


 

 

 

Always wonder why when we get a result the opposition have had a shit game rather than we forced them to have that shit game? Before yesterday Brighton had never failed to have a shot on goal in the 1st half yet yesterday they couldn’t manage it for some reason? We on the other hand had quite a few chances we didn’t convert. 

I think if you let a team play there normal game they will kill you. Thats why we setup tactically to nullify these teams. A lot of the bigger sides want open games because they have the individuals and space to outscore teams. We don’t have that luxury. We need to be hard to play against. 

I bet every team we’ve played under Nuno has had to battle to get anything out of us. Liverpool were lucky. Same with Brighton and Man Utd. No one is outplaying us anymore. It’s not an easy game like it was under Potter, Loppy etc. and you only have to look at Moyes record at the end of his tenure. We have been destroyed by 3 or 4 goals so many times I’ve lost count. 

The impressive thing for me yesterday was that even though we took our 1st choice midfielders out for the 1st half the replacements still did the same job. There wasn’t a huge difference when Potts and Magassa came on. I think the hallmarks of a strong team are consistency of play with whatever squad members are on the pitch. Strong patterns of play and work ethic before individual brilliance will keep us in this league I believe.