Leeds vs West Ham | PL | 24.10.25 | Predictions and Match Thread

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Well after the disaster of Monday at Brentford, the thought of more West Ham in the same week is enough to put anyone in a bad mood.  The 'pros' always talk about wanting to get bad games out of their system quickly, and this gives them that opportunity, but also sets up a horrible start to the weekend for the rest of us!

Teamwise, Mavro is out with what looked a nasty hamstring injury.  Fullkrug is still broken, and Earthy remains unfit.  Otherwise the rest of the squad are fit from a health perspective....maybe less so from a 'wear the shirt' angle.

Nuno's logic for his inverted fullbacks it's been revealed was to try and counter Brentford's inverted wing thread, by showing them onto the defender's strong foot...the less said about the success of that the better.  And it struggles to explain Irving and Soucek in the pivot, beyond maybe 'they're both tall'.

Anyway, hopefully that's the last of the experimentation and we can revert to what at least appears a bit less shit.  Wouldn't surprise me to see him go with a back 5 in this game though (and what I'll assume for my predicted XI).

Predicted lineup:

Areola

Wan Bissaka    Kilman     Igor   
Summerville                                            Diouf
Magassa Fernandes Paqueta

Soucek

Bowen

Subs: Hermansen, KWP, Todibo, Scarles, Potts, Irving, Guilherme, Wilson, Marshall

The squad is now a real quandary.  We don't have a good CB pairing...Todibo looks hopeless, Kilman and Igor both left footed, with one an unknown and the other weak as the senior CB.  Mavro was signed to be 3rd choice, but he's suddenly the most important man in the back line...a problem in itself.

Summerville is a must have...the only true pace in the side so leaving him out can't be compromised.  If 3 at the back and 3-4-3 was viable, not a problem....but once again we don't have a midfield with a logical two-man pairing.  Add in that Bwoen and Soucek are the only goals, and Paqueta is the only real 'vision' and we are in a bad place with a squad that don't work in combination.

So will he gamble on a bad back two, an untried midfield pair, or leave out one of the 'key' players in Soucek, Bowen, Paqueta, and Summerville.

And as for playing a real striker....

Predicted Score: Leeds 2 : 0 West Ham.

Hoping for the best, but expecting the worst.

COYI!

[9898]

Reality is Nuno is an arrogant bully who also happens to be a very poor manager.
Player wise? 
Must drop Paqueta. Looked most likely last night but creates so many problems with his selfish attitude of playing entirely for himself and not caring about the team. 
Don't go overboard on Potts. Came on when Leeds were camping on the 18 yard box to preserve the victory so was playing under no pressure which is the opposite to most PL games. 
AWB seems totally disinterested. 
Diouf has potential as a very dangerous attacking full back who can't defend, works in a lot of teams, but needs decent coaching to fulfill any potential which Nuno is incapable of doing. 
Scarles, whether playing left or right back, is an appalling player who would struggle in league one. 
Sumnerville needs serious coaching. Dangerous running with the ball but lacks brains to slow down where appropriate so invariably creates nothing. 
Fernnades should be the attacking midfielder as a Berkovic type player. He has that ability to play those little 15 yard passes to slot in Bowen. 


​​​​​​Loads of the issues but that's a start. 

[Sir Alf]

True Mex that Scarles does not have the experience but as I mentioned in another thread, I also think he doesnt have or will ever have the speed  and physicality / strength to ever be a Prem Lge player. Hopefully Im wrong but thats my take based on minutes he has played this and last season. He’s only 19 I get that so could perhaps develop physically but I just think he will
a tad short of being a regular starter in the PL

[Mex Martillo]

What are the logics of the invert full backs? I don’t get it. I think starting the same players without inverting fill backs could have been ok. I feel most sorry for Scarles, who I don’t think has the experience to be messed about like that and it showed for the 1st  goal.

[Sir Alf]

Soucek and Irvine the central midfield double pivot. The inverted full backs again ( aka players out of position ). No recognised central striker despite having one ( admittedly an injury prone 33 year old but nonetheless a striker).  Yes there are other issues but the above 3 tactical errors were repeated hence the defeat as much on Nuno as the players. Bowen called out the players and us fans calling out Nuno.

Start Potts, Fernandes and Magassa with Potts and Magassa the double pivot every game and pull in Kante and Fearon ( until Jan window at least ) as back up over Soucek and Irvine for those positions. Why do managers getting millions not see the obvious. Is it their egos or a different view of the game somehow pitchside. If so, Nuno needs to get up high in the stands or watch the game on his tablet to see the obvious. 

Paqueta needs to be benched. Let Fernandes take the no 10 position.  Irvine needs to be sold as does Soucek now who is fading fast.  Guido, JWP need to be dumped and, even though he was played out of position, I dont think Scarles is quick enough to make it as a Prem Lge full back. Marshall is not a central forward and at the moment my instinct is that he wont be a Prem Lge level player unfortunately.  

on the subject of the yoofs, only Kante and Fearon currently look like having potential to step up and its only potential no guarantees but I would like them to get some minutes.  I include Orford in this assessment btw. Technically gifted but yet another currently lacking the pace and physicality needed at PL level. Just my opinion

[dealcanvey]

Another absolutely bonkers line up.

Where to start. 

Paqueta, AWB, Summerville, Bowen and Scarles all started the game out of position. 

Kilman and Todibo. 75 million down the drain. 

Potts and Fernandes over Irving and Soucek all day. Irving is the better player (with the ball) out of the two but both are simply too slow. 

Relegation beckons. 

[Tomshardware]

It's going to take a massive turnaround for us to climb out of the situation we're in.   I can't see where the next points are coming from.   Conceding 2 or 3 soft goals a game, teams smell blood before the kick off.  

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

At my age ..it just breaks my heart the state we're in
AGAIN
 

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

It's reached that point already where god fearing Christians will say  " if only he'd started with". 
Deep down we all know it wouldn't  have mattered  who he started with.
Theyre   all  shite
want out/ couldn't give a shit
I have a feeling Mark Robson has had some major  input towards the last two games.

 

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

Why don't they ask Jarrod about the starting 11, the manager.
It's just a load of platitudes. Rolling sleeves up. Sorry he's said nothing 

 

 

All bollocks .most of of them  couldn't give a monkeys .
You just know WALL are going to pass us by .
Like ships in the night eh

[El Scorchio]

The only way out of this is to use Potts, Magassa, Fernandes and Paqueta as our CM combos, and exclusively them. Bed them in and get them gelling and we have a chance to have enough about us there, and with Bowen and Summerville and A STRIKER in the side, and the full backs playing where they should. We'll just have to ride the CB and striker situation until January when you have to hope the dwarf opens his wallet.

The frustrating thing about tonight is that bad as we were, if he'd have started with Potts and Fernandes, I think we could have won that. Leeds are dogshit as well. Having our best XI beaten, fair enough, but Nuno just chucked points down the toilet from the first kick of the ball with his fucking shit selections. He cannot possibly do that shit again after tonight, surely.

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

Where are the dogs of war ?

Where are the Billy Bonds, Julian Dicks, Kevin Nolan's., Martin Allen's in this bunch of players? The Vlad's.

Who has the mentality, attitude and ability to win their 'duels' and dominate the opponent?

Too many soft touches.



 

We got dicked plenty with all mentioned ...but I get your point.
This current bunch are beyond the pale..by a country mile.
There is literally nothing there....from top to bottom

[Monsieur merde de cheval]

Both Leeds Utd goals were beyond PATHETIC from us.
Fuck em all off as far as I'm concerned ...

Carlton Cole is winding me up..

[Gary Strodders shank]

Where are the dogs of war ?

Where are the Billy Bonds, Julian Dicks, Kevin Nolan's., Martin Allen's in this bunch of players? The Vlad's.

Who has the mentality, attitude and ability to win their 'duels' and dominate the opponent?

Too many soft touches.


 

Yep

We have no character anymore to get out of this.

When identifying and recruiting players their mental strength and leadership qualities should be scrutinized and put at the forefront but this clearly hasn't happened.

The strong characters we did have were largely replaced by shrinking violets or by players who look like they simply don't give a shit 

Moyes wanted to sign Maguire and McTominay to which their was much opposition but had those deals come off I don't think we would be having the issues we are now.

[nychammer]

we were mostly undone by that poor selection / formation and the naive defending in the first 15 minutes. That much Nuno has to take the blame for.

We got better as the game went on but that may have been as much Leeds taking their foot of the gas as they clearly could tell the game was won by HT and the better second half  showing does not paper over the fact that we are the worst side in the division by a very long way and its really hard to imagine us beating anyone right now. 

Nuno has his work cut out. I don't think Alex Ferguson could get a tune out of that shit show of a squad.

[Sweep]

Where are the dogs of war ?

Where are the Billy Bonds, Julian Dicks, Kevin Nolan's., Martin Allen's in this bunch of players? The Vlad's.

Who has the mentality, attitude and ability to win their 'duels' and dominate the opponent?

Too many soft touches.

 

[Massive Attack]

[Any Old Iron]

Have to agree with many on here that Nuno shoulders a bit of blame for this. 
 

a bit!  Fuck me, are you insane?  You probably vote Libdem

[Fauxstralian]

Bowen’s problem now that Kudus is gone & our strikers are either OAP’s or children is that he is our only goal threat so teams can double mark him with no concern from other players 
Doesnt help that we pick players like Irving who aren’t up to it, immobile players like Soucek & disinterested cowards like Paqueta, Kilman & Todibo
In our current state we will be relegated by Christmas 

[F 129 Row66]

We are going down for certain, once you accept that you won't be upset by all these shit results. There is no cause for optimism. We've had shit teams in years gone by, but none that cost a fortune to buy, and none with so many weaknesses throughout the team.

- We have a shit midfield  with poor ball retention
- We have  piss poor central defenders.
- We can't defend corners
- We have no striker worth a wank
- We are like most of the old gits on here's sex life, no penetration.
- Every team we play, even the likes of Leeds, who I think will be accompanying us to the Championship, look good when playing us.
- There is no manager in the world who could do anything with this collection of duds.
- We will not attract anybody worth a toss in January. Why would anybody want to board a sinking ship.

So sit back and relax, and look forward to next year games against Millwall, Sheffield United and the like, if they are still there.

 

[honky cat]

Have to agree with many on here that Nuno shoulders a bit of blame for this. Brentford home and Leeds away were not the time to get cute with lineup, and it was suicide to do it twice knowing how important it was to get ANYTHING from one of these games and getting our heads kicked in the first instance and unsurprisingly again in the second. The fact we are still conceding from corners is also astounding. It's very clearly a psychological issue at this point. Burnley might be a must win game now. It will be after the new year before we won't be relying on funny-old-game wins. At which point, we can expect to wait until the day before the window closes to get in some aging, shit loan signing who can play cb and midfield but neither well. 

If you had to pick 10:games this season for our best chance of a win, these 2 would be there. Hes completely blown it.

[eusebiovic]

Have to agree with many on here that Nuno shoulders a bit of blame for this. Brentford home and Leeds away were not the time to get cute with lineup, and it was suicide to do it twice knowing how important it was to get ANYTHING from one of these games and getting our heads kicked in the first instance and unsurprisingly again in the second. The fact we are still conceding from corners is also astounding. It's very clearly a psychological issue at this point. Burnley might be a must win game now. It will be after the new year before we won't be relying on funny-old-game wins. At which point, we can expect to wait until the day before the window closes to get in some aging, shit loan signing who can play cb and midfield but neither well. 

Yeah, he'll draft in some flakey stop-gap who everybody thought was going to be the next big thing 10 years ago but has ended up scratching around the bottom edge of the Salthouse spreadsheet...

[kylay]

Have to agree with many on here that Nuno shoulders a bit of blame for this. Brentford home and Leeds away were not the time to get cute with lineup, and it was suicide to do it twice knowing how important it was to get ANYTHING from one of these games and getting our heads kicked in the first instance and unsurprisingly again in the second. The fact we are still conceding from corners is also astounding. It's very clearly a psychological issue at this point. Burnley might be a must win game now. It will be after the new year before we won't be relying on funny-old-game wins. At which point, we can expect to wait until the day before the window closes to get in some aging, shit loan signing who can play cb and midfield but neither well. 

[Massive Attack]

How has the interviewer not asked Nuno what the fuck he was thinking with that starting line up?
He did just say it was on him.

'We played better second half but 45 minutes was not enough. We need to change.' I fucking hope he means the starting line up. Or we are doomed.

So if that was on you Nuno, then what the fuck was Monday's bollocks all about as well then you arrogant stubborn cսnt..

[Full Claret Jacket]

Bowen's just called a load of his teammates out live on the box. Good on him.
Sounds clear there's some sort of fucking mess in the dressing room and players who just are not pulling their weight.

 

Good on him. We can all see who it is who don't give a fuck. Todibo the number one culprit, but Kilman is clearly going through the motions too, Summerville is a spineless cսnt too, and Paqueta has always been showboating, arrogant prick.

Wan-Bisaka has been playing like a prick too now for over a season and falls over like bambi on ice.

None of them give a fuck, it's plain to see.

 

 

He was missing most the game today. They marked him out the game for most of it. The one who should be hiding is the manager for his dogshit selections and tactics. 
I bet that dressing room is a toxic mess of players who dont take responsibility,  only care about what's in it for them and have no attachment or passion for the club.  
You really get to see a players character when the chips are down. I think we are seeing it. 

[El Scorchio]

How has the interviewer not asked Nuno what the fuck he was thinking with that starting line up?
He did just say it was on him.

'We played better second half but 45 minutes was not enough. We need to change.' I fucking hope he means the starting line up. Or we are doomed.