Leeds vs West Ham | PL | 24.10.25 | Predictions and Match Thread

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Well after the disaster of Monday at Brentford, the thought of more West Ham in the same week is enough to put anyone in a bad mood.  The 'pros' always talk about wanting to get bad games out of their system quickly, and this gives them that opportunity, but also sets up a horrible start to the weekend for the rest of us!

Teamwise, Mavro is out with what looked a nasty hamstring injury.  Fullkrug is still broken, and Earthy remains unfit.  Otherwise the rest of the squad are fit from a health perspective....maybe less so from a 'wear the shirt' angle.

Nuno's logic for his inverted fullbacks it's been revealed was to try and counter Brentford's inverted wing thread, by showing them onto the defender's strong foot...the less said about the success of that the better.  And it struggles to explain Irving and Soucek in the pivot, beyond maybe 'they're both tall'.

Anyway, hopefully that's the last of the experimentation and we can revert to what at least appears a bit less shit.  Wouldn't surprise me to see him go with a back 5 in this game though (and what I'll assume for my predicted XI).

Predicted lineup:

Areola

Wan Bissaka    Kilman     Igor   
Summerville                                            Diouf
Magassa Fernandes Paqueta

Soucek

Bowen

Subs: Hermansen, KWP, Todibo, Scarles, Potts, Irving, Guilherme, Wilson, Marshall

The squad is now a real quandary.  We don't have a good CB pairing...Todibo looks hopeless, Kilman and Igor both left footed, with one an unknown and the other weak as the senior CB.  Mavro was signed to be 3rd choice, but he's suddenly the most important man in the back line...a problem in itself.

Summerville is a must have...the only true pace in the side so leaving him out can't be compromised.  If 3 at the back and 3-4-3 was viable, not a problem....but once again we don't have a midfield with a logical two-man pairing.  Add in that Bwoen and Soucek are the only goals, and Paqueta is the only real 'vision' and we are in a bad place with a squad that don't work in combination.

So will he gamble on a bad back two, an untried midfield pair, or leave out one of the 'key' players in Soucek, Bowen, Paqueta, and Summerville.

And as for playing a real striker....

Predicted Score: Leeds 2 : 0 West Ham.

Hoping for the best, but expecting the worst.

COYI!

[Massive Attack]

Alan Parvenu's claret and blue army!

[eusebiovic]

Sullivan, Brady and board members cannot be that intelligent generally and imbeciles in terms of their understanding and/or knowledge of football and what it takes to be successful.  Sullivan is simply thinking about short term cash flow, “hand to mouth” mindset. Nah, I was right, he’s an imbecilei

Sadly, it's to be expected they are such a graceless pair of toe curling parvenu's (look it up!)

[Sir Alf]

Sullivan, Brady and board members cannot be that intelligent generally and imbeciles in terms of their understanding and/or knowledge of football and what it takes to be successful.  Sullivan is simply thinking about short term cash flow, “hand to mouth” mindset. Nah, I was right, he’s an imbecilei

[GBHammer63]

Has there been a board backing regarding Nuno from our business genius cunts?

Fucking cretins.

[Massive Attack]

Vexed, in the excited manner we love, is bang on wiyh his assessment of the players, managers and club.  I too wonder if he had his backroom staff would they gave saved Nuno from himself?   The latest rumour is that its Sullivan and Brady insisting on promoting the internal U21 coaches to avoid the cost of hiring Nunos team?  If true, and it is plausible based on Sullivan’s history and non existent business sense, yet another example of “penny wise, pounds foolish”. That should be on his head stone along with “nonce”, “Dildo Brother” etc but seriously its yet more insanity. 

 

 

I did say I feared that would be the case after agreeing to sign off on Nunos lucrative 3 year watertight contract out of our desperation. Nuno doesn't give a fuck about our Club really, just what he can squeeze out of another dopey Chairman gullible enough to go along with it.

Nuno post-Forest sacking out of work -

"You know what, I have always had a deep burning desire to work with Mr Robson, Mr Potts, Mr Prenderville and that lardy WHU U21s Goal Keeper who's name escapes me for my next job. Men who I could trust to rely on with expert analysis of top flight Football. Yes these are my kind of men to work with in the future. This Staff is a gift from God."

And we seriously wonder why it's all gone to absolute ratshit. So, so predictable.

[eusebiovic]

I don't often agree with Tony Cascarino but his suggestion of playing AWB in centreal midfield as a holding midfielder is an interesting one.  He makes a fair point that we need someone who can tackle in there, be hard to get past.  Whether AWB could do that I don't know but as I said last week we need a minimum of three in there and if Magassa gets up to speed I would suggest him, Fernandes and Potts.  What you do with Paqueta I don't know.

 

No. Shutup you fool. Cascarino is a known simpleton. We're struggling, so you pair of cunts think the answer is to shove a right back known to have very iffy positional sense and questionable ball skills into a position that positional sense is paramount and being able to pass to another cսnt wearing the same colour shirt is rather important too? Yeah fucking good one.

Any sensible midfield starting with any sensible combo of full backs with a striker (or as close as we've got to one) gets at least a draw out of that game last night. 

Selected cunts:
If I see fucking Scarles at right back again I'm going to punch a hole in the fucking wall. In fact if I see him anywhere near the first team I'm going to do my nut. Should have been fucked off on loan. 
Diouf, have a sit down mate you ain't got anyone to cross it to and you're shit at defending. 
Irving, sooner he gets a championship club the better it will be for everyone. Oh but he's so fucking likeable! Josh Brownhill looks like he would have been a fairly decent signing now doesn't he you fucking simpletons? 
Todibo, I fucking hate this cսnt but what other options do we have with Mavro injured? Mavro back in immediately at the expense of this fucking unlikeable fraud. 
​​​​​​Kilman must count his lucky stars that Todibo exists to keep some deserved heat off him, the fucking pansy. 
Soucek, it's over for him now no more starts. Form has nosedived, age is upon him. 
Summerville, tries hard but I'm growing tired of him running like a scolded rat into three players and fucking losing it. Zero end product. 
Paqueta, fucking lazy fall over a lot,  Hollywood ball fucking helmet. I can forgive some of this due to the talentless bunch he has around him but the laziness and stupid fuckin wanker fouls fucking piss me off. Will be gagging for a move back to Brazil in Jan as he aint got any fight in him. Deny the move, I want him to be fucking sad. 
Wilson, waste of space unlikeable cսnt. Zero service but zero running around from him either. Nicking a living but what other choices do we have Marshall who is league one level or Fullkrug who has died or something. Hopefully.

NIPS
AWB MAVRO KILMAN KWP
FERNANDES POTTS MAGASSA PAQUETA 
BOWEN
WILSON

Its not fucking hard Nuno you cսnt. That team gets at least a point yesterday. Fucking burnt Moyes fuckwit. cսnt burnt two winnable games on the stupidest experiment ever seen to work out the most obvious fucking conclusions. It appears without his backroom staff to help him Nuno is just another Moyes/Loppy/Potter level imbecile. 

We're fucked and the only silver lining is that it will hurt a load of cunts personal wealth. 

FUCK THE LOT OF YOU

For my money, Vexed is definitely giving the next pre-match team talk.

 

 

"No, shut up you fool. Everybody knows Cascarino is a simpleton"

It just kept getting better after that...an avalanche of straight up facts.

[OK_Guy]

Vexed... I take it you're not a fan of 'inverted defenses'?

good rant that & no mention of a Pae... 

[Sir Alf]

Vexed, in the excited manner we love, is bang on wiyh his assessment of the players, managers and club.  I too wonder if he had his backroom staff would they gave saved Nuno from himself?   The latest rumour is that its Sullivan and Brady insisting on promoting the internal U21 coaches to avoid the cost of hiring Nunos team?  If true, and it is plausible based on Sullivan’s history and non existent business sense, yet another example of “penny wise, pounds foolish”. That should be on his head stone along with “nonce”, “Dildo Brother” etc but seriously its yet more insanity. 

[El Scorchio]

He was involved in Paquetas goal (even though he is too thick to remain onside) in the 1st half alone having just come on mid-game within 10 minutes. It was night and day compared to the previous 25 minutes that Wilson wasn't on the pitch. He was a right nuisance for Leeds winning Free-kicks and corners amongst stretching their backline. Unfortunately he then had to rely on said Paqueta and Summerville for supplying him the ammo to score but shock, horror neither can manage it as per.

Yup as I said it’s better having him than no striker but let’s not kid ourselves he’s any kind of lasting solution.  He’s still a shadow of the good player he was which is why he’s here on pay as you play. It was the best or only offer for his services. 

We still 100% need an actual difference maker as a striker. As we all knew before the season but somehow Sullivan didn’t, Wilson fullkrug and Marshall between them are woefully inadequate. 

 

No one's denying that. This is all on Sullivan who's created this avoidable mess. It doesn't change the here and now though unfortunately and needs must with Wilson starting up top.

Yup. a one legged man is marginally better than a no legged man.
But yes, it's all on that tiny twerp, this utter fiasco.

[Massive Attack]

Vexed, calm down

Clue's in the name with that oxymoron.

It's good to get it out the system. More in that gutless dressing room should be more like it.

[southbankbornnbred]

I don't often agree with Tony Cascarino but his suggestion of playing AWB in centreal midfield as a holding midfielder is an interesting one.  He makes a fair point that we need someone who can tackle in there, be hard to get past.  Whether AWB could do that I don't know but as I said last week we need a minimum of three in there and if Magassa gets up to speed I would suggest him, Fernandes and Potts.  What you do with Paqueta I don't know.

 

No. Shutup you fool. Cascarino is a known simpleton. We're struggling, so you pair of cunts think the answer is to shove a right back known to have very iffy positional sense and questionable ball skills into a position that positional sense is paramount and being able to pass to another cսnt wearing the same colour shirt is rather important too? Yeah fucking good one.

Any sensible midfield starting with any sensible combo of full backs with a striker (or as close as we've got to one) gets at least a draw out of that game last night. 

Selected cunts:
If I see fucking Scarles at right back again I'm going to punch a hole in the fucking wall. In fact if I see him anywhere near the first team I'm going to do my nut. Should have been fucked off on loan. 
Diouf, have a sit down mate you ain't got anyone to cross it to and you're shit at defending. 
Irving, sooner he gets a championship club the better it will be for everyone. Oh but he's so fucking likeable! Josh Brownhill looks like he would have been a fairly decent signing now doesn't he you fucking simpletons? 
Todibo, I fucking hate this cսnt but what other options do we have with Mavro injured? Mavro back in immediately at the expense of this fucking unlikeable fraud. 
​​​​​​Kilman must count his lucky stars that Todibo exists to keep some deserved heat off him, the fucking pansy. 
Soucek, it's over for him now no more starts. Form has nosedived, age is upon him. 
Summerville, tries hard but I'm growing tired of him running like a scolded rat into three players and fucking losing it. Zero end product. 
Paqueta, fucking lazy fall over a lot,  Hollywood ball fucking helmet. I can forgive some of this due to the talentless bunch he has around him but the laziness and stupid fuckin wanker fouls fucking piss me off. Will be gagging for a move back to Brazil in Jan as he aint got any fight in him. Deny the move, I want him to be fucking sad. 
Wilson, waste of space unlikeable cսnt. Zero service but zero running around from him either. Nicking a living but what other choices do we have Marshall who is league one level or Fullkrug who has died or something. Hopefully.

NIPS
AWB MAVRO KILMAN KWP
FERNANDES POTTS MAGASSA PAQUETA 
BOWEN
WILSON

Its not fucking hard Nuno you cսnt. That team gets at least a point yesterday. Fucking burnt Moyes fuckwit. cսnt burnt two winnable games on the stupidest experiment ever seen to work out the most obvious fucking conclusions. It appears without his backroom staff to help him Nuno is just another Moyes/Loppy/Potter level imbecile. 

We're fucked and the only silver lining is that it will hurt a load of cunts personal wealth. 

FUCK THE LOT OF YOU

For my money, Vexed is definitely giving the next pre-match team talk.

[zico]

Vexed, calm down I didn't say I agreed with him I said it was an interesting suggestion.  Already said Potts Fernandes and Magassa should be a three in midfield as we need legs.  

[Massive Attack]

He was better than not playing a striker and yeah better than Marshall, but I don't think he did that much aside from putting himself about as best he could. He was zero threat to them

He was involved in Paquetas goal (even though he is too thick to remain onside) in the 1st half alone having just come on mid-game within 10 minutes. It was night and day compared to the previous 25 minutes that Wilson wasn't on the pitch. He was a right nuisance for Leeds winning Free-kicks and corners amongst stretching their backline. Unfortunately he then had to rely on said Paqueta and Summerville for supplying him the ammo to score but shock, horror neither can manage it as per.

Yup as I said it’s better having him than no striker but let’s not kid ourselves he’s any kind of lasting solution.  He’s still a shadow of the good player he was which is why he’s here on pay as you play. It was the best or only offer for his services. 

We still 100% need an actual difference maker as a striker. As we all knew before the season but somehow Sullivan didn’t, Wilson fullkrug and Marshall between them are woefully inadequate. 

 

 

No one's denying that. This is all on Sullivan who's created this avoidable mess. It doesn't change the here and now though unfortunately and needs must with Wilson starting up top.

[Vexed]

I don't often agree with Tony Cascarino but his suggestion of playing AWB in centreal midfield as a holding midfielder is an interesting one.  He makes a fair point that we need someone who can tackle in there, be hard to get past.  Whether AWB could do that I don't know but as I said last week we need a minimum of three in there and if Magassa gets up to speed I would suggest him, Fernandes and Potts.  What you do with Paqueta I don't know.

 

 

No. Shutup you fool. Cascarino is a known simpleton. We're struggling, so you pair of cunts think the answer is to shove a right back known to have very iffy positional sense and questionable ball skills into a position that positional sense is paramount and being able to pass to another cսnt wearing the same colour shirt is rather important too? Yeah fucking good one.

Any sensible midfield starting with any sensible combo of full backs with a striker (or as close as we've got to one) gets at least a draw out of that game last night. 

Selected cunts:
If I see fucking Scarles at right back again I'm going to punch a hole in the fucking wall. In fact if I see him anywhere near the first team I'm going to do my nut. Should have been fucked off on loan. 
Diouf, have a sit down mate you ain't got anyone to cross it to and you're shit at defending. 
Irving, sooner he gets a championship club the better it will be for everyone. Oh but he's so fucking likeable! Josh Brownhill looks like he would have been a fairly decent signing now doesn't he you fucking simpletons? 
Todibo, I fucking hate this cսnt but what other options do we have with Mavro injured? Mavro back in immediately at the expense of this fucking unlikeable fraud. 
​​​​​​Kilman must count his lucky stars that Todibo exists to keep some deserved heat off him, the fucking pansy. 
Soucek, it's over for him now no more starts. Form has nosedived, age is upon him. 
Summerville, tries hard but I'm growing tired of him running like a scolded rat into three players and fucking losing it. Zero end product. 
Paqueta, fucking lazy fall over a lot,  Hollywood ball fucking helmet. I can forgive some of this due to the talentless bunch he has around him but the laziness and stupid fuckin wanker fouls fucking piss me off. Will be gagging for a move back to Brazil in Jan as he aint got any fight in him. Deny the move, I want him to be fucking sad. 
Wilson, waste of space unlikeable cսnt. Zero service but zero running around from him either. Nicking a living but what other choices do we have Marshall who is league one level or Fullkrug who has died or something. Hopefully.

NIPS
AWB MAVRO KILMAN KWP
FERNANDES POTTS MAGASSA PAQUETA 
BOWEN
WILSON

Its not fucking hard Nuno you cսnt. That team gets at least a point yesterday. Fucking burnt Moyes fuckwit. cսnt burnt two winnable games on the stupidest experiment ever seen to work out the most obvious fucking conclusions. It appears without his backroom staff to help him Nuno is just another Moyes/Loppy/Potter level imbecile. 

We're fucked and the only silver lining is that it will hurt a load of cunts personal wealth. 

FUCK THE LOT OF YOU

[El Scorchio]

I agree, I was saying it was an interesting suggestion.  For me AWB has to be on the right of a back 4.  Potts Fernandes and Magassa should be a three in midfield.  Doris the tea lady and Patty the cleaner as centre halves.

Doris and Patty WOULD be an upgrade on our current CBs 

[zico]

I agree, I was saying it was an interesting suggestion.  For me AWB has to be on the right of a back 4.  Potts Fernandes and Magassa should be a three in midfield.  Doris the tea lady and Patty the cleaner as centre halves.

[El Scorchio]

Wilson was ineffective when coming on in to a disaster zone? He instantly put their Keeper and Defence under pressure stretching their defence finally winning corners for us and it was him that was involved for Paquetas goal that was ruled out for Offside. He worked hard asking questions of Leeds defence that kept them honest, won Free Kicks buying the Team time and was much better than Paqueta running around yet again up top like a headless chicken not knowing what to do.

Paqueta also needs to seriously pull his finger out creating for the Team when he's not asked to play up top, his creation in games is shocking and is supposed to be his normal game.

Like I've often said this season, start Wilson as he's the best option we've got right now as our best Striker currently at the Club. And yes that's on Sullivan.

He was better than not playing a striker and yeah better than Marshall, but I don't think he did that much aside from putting himself about as best he could. He was zero threat to them

He was involved in Paquetas goal (even though he is too thick to remain onside) in the 1st half alone having just come on mid-game within 10 minutes. It was night and day compared to the previous 25 minutes that Wilson wasn't on the pitch. He was a right nuisance for Leeds winning Free-kicks and corners amongst stretching their backline. Unfortunately he then had to rely on said Paqueta and Summerville for supplying him the ammo to score but shock, horror neither can manage it as per.

Yup as I said it’s better having him than no striker but let’s not kid ourselves he’s any kind of lasting solution.  He’s still a shadow of the good player he was which is why he’s here on pay as you play. It was the best or only offer for his services. 

We still 100% need an actual difference maker as a striker. As we all knew before the season but somehow Sullivan didn’t, Wilson fullkrug and Marshall between them are woefully inadequate. 

[El Scorchio]

I don't often agree with Tony Cascarino but his suggestion of playing AWB in centreal midfield as a holding midfielder is an interesting one.  

This has got to fucking stop. I've got enough PTSD from Nuno mucking about with shoving square pegs in to round holes. 🕳

 

 

Exactly. Why on earth would we take our best full back away from his position to masquerade as a CM when we already have Potts Fernandes and Magassa to play that role if the manager opens his eyes. 

[Massive Attack]

I don't often agree with Tony Cascarino but his suggestion of playing AWB in centreal midfield as a holding midfielder is an interesting one.  

This has got to fucking stop. I've got enough PTSD from Nuno mucking about with shoving square pegs in to round holes. 🕳

Ha ha,,  at the very least though he is right, we need players who can run and tackle in CM.

We have them in the likes of Potts and Fernandes. I wouldn't dream of playing Wan-Bissaka ahead of them. They just need to regularly play now.

[zico]

I don't often agree with Tony Cascarino but his suggestion of playing AWB in centreal midfield as a holding midfielder is an interesting one.  

This has got to fucking stop. I've got enough PTSD from Nuno mucking about with shoving square pegs in to round holes. 🕳

Ha ha,,  at the very least though he is right, we need players who can run and tackle in CM.

[Massive Attack]

I don't often agree with Tony Cascarino but his suggestion of playing AWB in centreal midfield as a holding midfielder is an interesting one.  

This has got to fucking stop. I've got enough PTSD from Nuno mucking about with shoving square pegs in to round holes. 🕳

[zico]

I don't often agree with Tony Cascarino but his suggestion of playing AWB in centreal midfield as a holding midfielder is an interesting one.  He makes a fair point that we need someone who can tackle in there, be hard to get past.  Whether AWB could do that I don't know but as I said last week we need a minimum of three in there and if Magassa gets up to speed I would suggest him, Fernandes and Potts.  What you do with Paqueta I don't know.

[Massive Attack]

Wilson was ineffective when coming on in to a disaster zone? He instantly put their Keeper and Defence under pressure stretching their defence finally winning corners for us and it was him that was involved for Paquetas goal that was ruled out for Offside. He worked hard asking questions of Leeds defence that kept them honest, won Free Kicks buying the Team time and was much better than Paqueta running around yet again up top like a headless chicken not knowing what to do.

Paqueta also needs to seriously pull his finger out creating for the Team when he's not asked to play up top, his creation in games is shocking and is supposed to be his normal game.

Like I've often said this season, start Wilson as he's the best option we've got right now as our best Striker currently at the Club. And yes that's on Sullivan.

He was better than not playing a striker and yeah better than Marshall, but I don't think he did that much aside from putting himself about as best he could. He was zero threat to them

He was involved in Paquetas goal (even though he is too thick to remain onside) in the 1st half alone having just come on mid-game within 10 minutes. It was night and day compared to the previous 25 minutes that Wilson wasn't on the pitch. He was a right nuisance for Leeds winning Free-kicks and corners amongst stretching their backline. Unfortunately he then had to rely on said Paqueta and Summerville for supplying him the ammo to score but shock, horror neither can manage it as per.

[Sir Alf]

Scorch and others are right, we have problems up fromt in defence but the biggest one last 2 games and for a long, long while, since Rice went, is the central midfield pivot.  The Prem Lge makes athleticism and physicality 2 of the most needed player traits nowadays. Nuno selects 2 of the least equipped players for the role and last Monday selected a 3rd as a sub ( Guido ).  The best suited are Potts, Magassa, Paqueta and Fernandes and if 3 of them are available they start.

 No one can fathom Nuno’s thinking selecting Soucek and Irvine. They are tall, Nuno liked that they are older, ermmm Soucek is an experienced international? Or have Potts, Magassa and Fernandes been on fentanol or the crystal meth before Rush Green training sessions?  There’s no logic to it?   What could possibly be the reason?  

[eusebiovic]

Football management is easy, you basically blow smoke up the players arses and make them feel good about themselves and then, most importantly, you put round pegs in round holes. Simple.

Play 4-3-3, find a centre back who doesn’t mind heading and stick the young boys in midfield to give us more athleticism.

Honestly it’s painfully easy.

 

 

Yep, I would play 4-3-3

At the moment this is the best line-up that I can come up with and even then it's looks pretty bang average.

Areola
Wan-Bissaka Todibo Igor J Diouf 
Potts Magassa Fernandes 
Bowen Wilson Paqueta 
.
Yep, I 'd put the flakey Brazilian in Summerville's position. He does less damage losing the ball further up. Maybe in a slightly retreated left wing position like Formals used to do.

He would be far more creative there and he doesn't mind tracking back - I'll give him that.

We still have a largely shit squad - nothing is gonna change that anytime soon.

Guido, JWP, Irving shouldn't be considered. Soucek on the bench. 3 of those 4 are a huge drain on resources. Who will want them? The same with the centre backs. We're pretty fucked.