Divin Mubama

[Stevethehammer]

"You have definitely got to feel sorry for the lad. He had a great pre season, looked like he had finally broken through and was going to be a solid option for Moyes and the potential to save the club millions on buying a striker. Moyes said he wanted him to stay and I have it on good authority that he was wanted by Gillingham on a season long loan as they were on the look out for a young striker who was able to be a big part of their team. Neil Harris at the time saw him as a good option and was more than happy to give him first team football. Divin wanted the move but Moyes vetoed it. Now he sits there on the bench not getting a sniff at any football, another one Moyes has wasted and no doubt he will get a chance in an upcoming game, probably not take his chance due to match fitness and then Moyes will look vindicated in not picking him, not picking up on the fact that he would need a few games to get up to speed, but once he does inhave no doubt that he is the natural replacement for Antonio and should be coming off the bench when we are chasing the game rather than Danny fucking Ings."

[RM10]

Blaming Moyes again? What other manager in recent years has brought kids through? Apart from Rice?

[Side of Ham]

"Erm Willwall, youth cup final and others that have been streamed you dick just like you streamed the Leverkusen match….ffs get a life with what you have left….turns out I’ve seen him more than you…"

[daveyg]

"Will tell. I and many thought Nutsin was wrong. Against Leverkusun 4 players came off at half time including Paqueta, are you saying he should have played 6 minutes of first team football. No. Mubama has showed he is as good as any of our strikers this season. Let himself down,what a ludicrous statement. I think a marker was more like his performance last week Against Cheltenham. Scored,played well in a brilliant team performance. He didn't show any big time Charlie attitude that the club are alluding to. He fitted back in with his mates again. I think he's like Nicholas Jackson at Chelsea in his play, he has been given a chance although not scoring for an age. Also Moyes has been taking a big risk continually playing Ings and to a lesser extent Antonio (Benrhama too to be fair. ) Mubama can play across the front 3 but mainly as a striker. He played with Marshall and Kouda/Earthy swapping positions frequently,he also comes deep to help out. He's not a one trick pony believe me. Moyes has never been proactive with subs or youth. He got lucky with Rice."

[goose]

"""Just means he's not quite as ready as most fans think"" this is you making a judgement of him based upon 45min of a preseason friendly. i don't need to imply anything. you can argue yourself around in circles if you like."

[Willtell]

Side of Ham You have stated that you don’t go to games and don’t stream them. It’s only taken what 10 posts before claiming that you have actually seen Mubama play! When was that Side? Tell us as I’m calling you a liar unless it was before 2023.

[Willtell]

Side of Ham You have stated that you don’t go to games and don’t stream them. It’s only taken what 10 posts before claiming that you have actually seen Mubama play! When was that Side? Tell us as I’m calling you a liar unless it was before 2023.

[Lee Trundle]

"""‚ÄãThat said we have two great teams in the 21s and 18s. Great to watch and hope!"" The future's bright... for Sunderland!"

[RM10]

"If you watch the U21s the opposition they play are young themselves and don’t play premier league reserves, so a big jump for them, they do look like boys. That said we have two great teams in the 21s and 18s. Great to watch and hope!"

[Willtell]

I like Mubama. He showed enormous promise last season and like most fans I expected him to start pressuring Antonio for starts. Mubama let himself down in the last pre-season game by barely touching the ball playing against Leverkusen’s Bundesliga table topping CBs in a 4-0 defeat. Mubama was taken off at half time and Moyes clearly decided he wasn’t ready to move in front of Danny Ings nor Antonio because he’s barely been seen since. I have never suggested Mubama is not good enough as goose is trying to imply.

[Side of Ham]

"Willwall I have seen Mubama play you utter knob…..that U21’s team is a joy to watch….it’s a Moyes team I’ve decided to not watch, don’t like predictability….that’s one of the same reasons I don’t like you….."

[Side of Ham]

"No striker should be judged at all whilst Moyes is the manager….he hasn’t got one to work in his system…it’s all on hold….and that is what the youth players are seeing with their careers and a small window to attempt to step up….to step up into his system you cannot have attacking or possession of the ball as your key skill set….so you’d be thinking let’s move to a team that wants my skill set. Wouldn’t you? Orford in that U21’s side is West Ham, he’s already put it out there he will not thrive in the Moyes system….I’d say he’s brave and honest….the club will likely make out he’s greedy in the way they do."

[goose]

Your last sentence is you making a judgement on whether he’s ready or not. Purely based upon 45 minutes of a preseason friendly.

[Willtell]

Side of Ham You have never seen Mubama play so how can you make these judgements that he can't be any good because he's a youth? I don't want Moyes as WH manager but your criticism of Mubama is ridiculous especially when not having seen him play..

[Willtell]

goose Where did I judge Mubama goose? I didn't did I? I merely pointed out to daveyg that in spite of what he said about him showing tremendous promise he failed badly in the pre-season friendly against Leverkusen. What I watched was embarrassing for the lad and was very disappointing to me that had high hopes we had found a decent young striker. That doesn't mean he won't make it as Leverkusen are top of the Bundesliga. We lost the game 4-0 and Mubama got taken off at half time. Doesn't mean that he isn't going to make it. Just means he's not quite as ready as most fans think. .

[goose]

So your entire basis for judging him is 45min of a preseason friendly? Not the first team games he’s played & scored in?

[Side of Ham]

I know because Moyes hasn’t got an experienced striker to work in his shitty system ever….so how is a youth supposed to? You really are thick dickhead poster….proven by your blindness to Moyes’s history with strikers even away from West Ham.

[Willtell]

Yes but how would you know Side? You don't know and are making it up as it fits your ready-made excuse for no longer being a fan of WH. You've said you don't even bother with streamed games and certainly don't subscribe to Sky or TNT. Your one last piece of fun in life is continuing to come onto WHO every day for decades to abuse others you consider as not being worthy supporters of the club you gave up supporting donkey's years ago... You're a complete fraud.

[Side of Ham]

"He can't play Moyesball, every striker he's brought in or already had can't play his Moyesball shit.....Moyes has to convert wingers or gangly midfielders to be his 'striker'......Mubama is not out of his depth if established strikers can't play as striker for Moyes either he's just been coached from a kid to play in a footballing side. The worst position to be at this club under Moyes is a striker. You're just a cliched old cսnt trying to be an expert."

[Willtell]

"Hatred I said and you prove me right. You claimed “He wasn't out of his depth…” yet you don’t go to games and don’t stream them. You are full of shit once again and all because I didn’t give you work years ago. Just get over yourself you sad, abusive idiot"

[Side of Ham]

"Willwall, you rarely get any posters to agree with you so that pretty well confirms you talk utter shit on here...........probably off it too."

[Willtell]

Snide You'd disagree with anything I say because of your jealous hatred of me. So you watched the Leverkusen game then did you? No you didn't! You said the other day you don't go and you don't watch streams. You have no idea about Mubama being out of his depth. All you want to do is boost your online ego and criticise others like the sad muppet you are...

[Side of Ham]

"He wasn't out of his depth.....he was asked to play Moyesball and the rest of the team were doing a bad job of showing him how that is played. There is only one young striker/forward that has broken through into a Moyes team and that is Rooney.....and Wayne slagged him right off..... Any decent striker should not entertain Moyes's way of playing football, they are there to take chances and if they are really good create them out of nothing. They shouldn't be expect to feed off scraps rarely seeing the ball and if they do to hold it up to lay off a 100% of the time. He (Moyes) doesn't encourage strikers he takes them out of the game."

[Willtell]

daveyg 1:59 You're very insulting there to another poster over Mubama. Yes he had shown promise but in fact Mubama was taken off at half-time in the pre-season 4-0 defeat against Leverkusen. I watched the game and was very disappointed to see that he was completely out of his depth. That's the last time Moyes used him iirc and is contrary to what you are saying.

[Lee Trundle]

"... I'd imagine that's at least £250,000 a week we're haemorrhaging on players that will contribute pretty much fuck all this season, and next season in Ing's case."

[Lee Trundle]

"ludo21 1:29 Mon Nov 13 And he's here for another 2 years on £125k a week to sit on the bench. Probably one of the most idiotic decisions last season was to give him that contract, along with renewing Cresswell's and Ogbonna's."