NFL (since 2016)

[crystal falace]

"Free agency started last night and was pretty crazy some huge money being spent. Osweiler getting £18m a year for the Texans, leaving the Broncos without a QB, Giants have spent a fortune on good but not great players, Oliver Vernon has more guaranteed money than JJ Watt. lots more deals but cant be bothered to list them all."

[southbankbornnbred]

Good move for Sam, that. He’ll do well there - they just need to give him a bit of time. He’s not an improviser. But give him a playbook to learn and he’ll work hard at it.

[Takashi Miike]

I know he's not been the greatest passer so far, but Justin Fields has a lot of talent and may not cost a fortune for a couple of years. He's been unlucky everywhere he's been, and he had a great relationship with Garrett Wilson at Ohio State. I think it could work with a supportive head coach

 

[Takashi Miike]

good value that Joe. I mentioned Fields for the Jets weeks ago. not that I thought it would happen, but that he was a good option and that he knew Garrett Wilson very well

[Joe C]

Called it!

Also, SBB - Fields to your boys 

[Takashi Miike]

[southbankbornnbred]

I was just highlighting who the draft programme/site kept throwing up over and over again, I don't know who you need. The generational TE was taken by the Raiders last season. I went and had a look at the combine numbers of our young player Ben Sinnott and Warren. Ben outperformed him last year in most of the drills, but has yet to get a chance in the receiving game while Ertz is the main man. Hopefully the opportunities increase this year

Going back to the Garrett topic and him shaking down the Cleveland owner for $40m a year, we played them last season and he didn't register a single stat against a rookie left tackle. I've seen unplayable ends/outside linebackers before like Lawrence Taylor, if that's the market, LT would be getting $50m+ right now

Oh, we do need a TE: there's no doubt. I think we're about to let Tyler Conklin go to free agency.

But, as always, we need so many players that it's a long list of priorities. Starting with QB, of course, although I'm sanguine about us maybe not drafting a high-pick QB this year. We might come up the board for Jaxson Dart without giving away the #7 pick, but quite a few teams outside the top five are thinking of doing that this year (as RB said).

Plenty of good positional talent in the draft, beyond QB. Lots of good, potential lock-down corners, some decent linemen, and some fast and powerful edge rushers. It's only in that context that I'm wary of taking a TE high up.

[southbankbornnbred]

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Massive Bills deal for Josh Allen - although he has earned it.

The difference between what he brings to his side, compared with Dak, is enormous. Not Dak Prescott's fault, of course, but that deal he signed for the Girls still sends my head spinning.

[Takashi Miike]

I was just highlighting who the draft programme/site kept throwing up over and over again, I don't know who you need. The generational TE was taken by the Raiders last season. I went and had a look at the combine numbers of our young player Ben Sinnott and Warren. Ben outperformed him last year in most of the drills, but has yet to get a chance in the receiving game while Ertz is the main man. Hopefully the opportunities increase this year

Going back to the Garrett topic and him shaking down the Cleveland owner for $40m a year, we played them last season and he didn't register a single stat against a rookie left tackle. I've seen unplayable ends/outside linebackers before like Lawrence Taylor, if that's the market, LT would be getting $50m+ right now

[southbankbornnbred]

Also, I think the Jets (particularly the fans) were burnt by the Kyle Brady/Warren Sapp experience. It still looms large in Jets history.

Brady was at Penn State, too. So, however good Warren is, the echoes of that deal, when Glenn was at the Jets as a player, will be on everybody’s mind.

Sapp was a nailed on leader and was always going to be a grade-A NFL player. But pre-draft hysteria and overthink meant almost the entire league talked themselves out of a superb player.



 

[southbankbornnbred]

he is top drawer, I wish we could take him as he loves the skins. one good story is Myles Garrett throwing away the rest of his career after signing a new $40m a year deal with the Browns. thank fuck we avoided him

Seen his figures and watched his highlights etc at Penn, and he certainly looks like a very good prospect. But I’m never sure about taking a TE that high up. There’s a lot of value, picks-wise and in wages, attached to any top-10 choice.

It’s like making a left back your priority signing. If it’s Paolo Maldini or Roberto Carlos, sure. If it’s Wayne Quinn, walk away!

My gut feeling is that we need to lock down the offensive line at right-tackle - or the backs will struggle to move the ball again - or improve our ability to go after the ball on defense. So, an edge rusher or cornerback to play opposite sauce. Sides with two good corners can take a lot away from good opposition QBs.

But Warren does look good. I see why there’s fuss.

[Takashi Miike]

he is top drawer, I wish we could take him as he loves the skins. one good story is Myles Garrett throwing away the rest of his career after signing a new $40m a year deal with the Browns. thank fuck we avoided him

[southbankbornnbred]

If we can’t take a top-class QB at #7, which looks likely, then I think we have to lock up right-tackle or go for one of the many good edge rushers or cornerbacks in this draft.

We do need at TE, don’t get me wrong. But #7 is a high-pick we hope not have again soon. He’d have to be top-class.

[southbankbornnbred]

SB, I've been doing a lot of auto mock drafts. A player that gets put with you in the first round, over and over again is TE Tyler Warren

Interesting, TM, and cheers.

I really hope we don’t take a TE with the #7 pick. That’s extremely high for a TE, and we have many other pressing needs.

We’ve also got infamous form for over-reaching on a TE. 1995, Rich Kotite took Kyle Brady over Warren Sapp - despite our fans at the draft singing Sapp’s name. Everybody thought we’d take Sapp - he even wanted to lead New York. We passed, took Brady, he was bang average at best and a big over-reach. The Buccs took Sapp. The rest is history!

Aaron Glenn was a Jet at the time. I’m not sure he’d risk a repeat!

[RBshorty]

Myles Garrett gets a new deal with the Browns. £123 million guaranteed. Making him the highest paid non QB in the league. Makes the chase for Ward a bit more tasty.

[Takashi Miike]

SB, I've been doing a lot of auto mock drafts. A player that gets put with you in the first round, over and over again is TE Tyler Warren

[southbankbornnbred]

Keep your grubby Green Mitts off Winston. South!. He look better in dark Blue. As for the QB's in the draft. Ward is going first overall. But the cat is out the bag with regards to Sanders. Quite a few of the GM's all are of the belief Sanders ain't what he is cracked up to be. And isn't worth a top 20 pick. Let alone a top 5. Someone will as always over reach and take a punt. I don't think it will be the Big Blue.? (Too close to Jones for that.) The Dart scenario has been talked about by a few fanbases across the league. (That fifth year option on QB's is a doozy.) This time next week. Everybody will have a clearer view on QB landscape come Draft time. Either way. It's all good fun.

GO G MEN.

Interesting, RB: I definitely think Winston could start for either New York side while we’re rebuilding.

If I were Glenn, I’d want Winston in free agency. Sure, he’ll lose some games due to too many interceptions - that’s been his Achilles heel at several sides and it probably won’t change much. So I get why his value is low right now.

But he’s a gunslinger, and he’ll also throw several 300+ yard games in a season. He could still start at rebuilding sides with lower expectations for the next couple of seasons. He also generally stays healthy. Nine seasons in the league already, and just one bad injury.

Get him in, draft a longer-term prospect and take your time…

[southbankbornnbred]

Keep your grubby Green Mitts off Winston. South!. He look better in dark Blue. As for the QB's in the draft. Ward is going first overall. But the cat is out the bag with regards to Sanders. Quite a few of the GM's all are of the belief Sanders ain't what he is cracked up to be. And isn't worth a top 20 pick. Let alone a top 5. Someone will as always over reach and take a punt. I don't think it will be the Big Blue.? (Too close to Jones for that.) The Dart scenario has been talked about by a few fanbases across the league. (That fifth year option on QB's is a doozy.) This time next week. Everybody will have a clearer view on QB landscape come Draft time. Either way. It's all good fun.

GO G MEN.

Sanders has talent. He also has a gigantic ego.

GMs and HCs have to take a step back and rationally analyse what he’s all about. Focus on the mechanics, technique and in-game decision-making under pressure.

The rest is mostly noise (although you need to ensure he won’t ruin the dressing room).

I don’t know if he’s going to be top-class. He might well be - and he “might” not be an overreach. Sometimes the ego is worth it, if you can manage it. But the important thing is to be sure he has top-end NFL talent.

If decision-makers think he’s over-valued, then one thing is certain: Dart and Milroe will shoot up the board. Because there are so many sides that need a QB.

In these circumstances, the Jets need to ensure they don’t overspend. They’ve done that before, with Mark Sanchez, Bryce Petty and Kellen Clemons etc.

[southbankbornnbred]

And now Geno traded to the Raiders!

Big rebuild in the Emerald City

This is a weird one.
All they have left Sam Howell who is, obviously, never going to be a starter even temporarily and the possible free agents all look to be pretty risky.
They must be be planning to trade away other players for higher draft picks but there are only 2 obvious QB candidates there.
Maybe they could get Sam Darnold or Justin FIelds on the cheap for a season and hope something turns after that but it does like a complete tear down as it stands.

Could definitely see the Hawks go for Darnold. And he’d do well there. He’s not a top-5 QB. But he has talent. The Jets should have stuck with him, but they have always been terrible at developing QBs. We let him down.

[Takashi Miike]

Zach Ertz also back, it's going to be a very interesting week

[Takashi Miike]

his NC team were fun to watch, just a shame the defence wasn't great. if he'd gone to the draft at the end of this season I'm sure he would have been a fire round pick. the funny thing about the game below is Sam Hartman, who later played for Notre Dame is now one of our back ups in Washington

[Joe C]

Thanks TM, interesting to read

[Takashi Miike]

.....he was also a good scrambler, but again, the cսnt Bienemy had total disregard to his strengths or what he was comfortable with

[Takashi Miike]

Joe, I watched a couple of seasons of Sam at NC. He thrived in a run heavy system where he had Javonte Williams (more of a workhorse back) and Michael Carter (more a speed, third down back). That scheme opened up space for him to make shots down the field to his receivers. Clearly Rivera, and Bienemy didn't watch any of his college games and that last season in Washington, we barely run the ball and he was throwing ridiculous amounts of time behind a terrible o-line. Those two pretty much fucked him financially with the way they schemed the offense. With an OC that is happy to work off a consistent run game, Sam can start at pro level

*and what's amazing is he's still younger (24) than multiple QB prospects going in to next month's draft*

[Joe C]

And now Geno traded to the Raiders!

Big rebuild in the Emerald City

This is a weird one.
All they have left Sam Howell who is, obviously, never going to be a starter even temporarily and the possible free agents all look to be pretty risky.
They must be be planning to trade away other players for higher draft picks but there are only 2 obvious QB candidates there.
Maybe they could get Sam Darnold or Justin FIelds on the cheap for a season and hope something turns after that but it does like a complete tear down as it stands.

Howell is an odd one. We specifically targeted getting him, Macdonald wanted him based on the Seahawks/Commanders game from the season prior (which OTB and I were at funnily enough), but then chose Geno as our starting QB again

[RBshorty]

Get a bridge QB next week. They lay currently at 18th in the draft. Figure if Sanders is still they. That’s about his value. If not. Then Dart shoots up about 10 spots.?