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"We're gonna have a British George Floyd now innit. The BLM mob are gonna be all over this. Expect a load of shoe shops to be looted as a ""protest"". This country's gone to the fucking dogs."

... though I do reckon the Manchester thugs will end up getting off or a slap on wrist because of what the copper ended up doing.... some off the record deal where they get a light sentence and the solicitor doesn't go after the copper to hard... sadly the copper (legally) doesn't have a leg to stand on.

Goose I just googled. He pleaded guilty yesterday to the arson of the bus. Hasn't submitted a plea on the violent disorder (rioting) and that's a later court date. Will only get sentenced once both charges are dealt with. For now back on remand.

"SurfaceAgentX2Zero 3:33 Wed Aug 21 Re: Manchester Airport incident LOL at Fifth. These cunts are bang to right on camera breaking a copper's nose. They could be nicked, charged and remanded. They aren't being. Nobody knows why - except you it seems. Meanwhile protesters are being told they should plead guilty because they will be remanded in custody longer than the probable sentence. Then they are getting 18m sentences. Two tier. No, not just me. Anyone who's been involved in the justice system in any way and knows how the court system works for complex cases can understand why this has gone to the CPS for a charging decision. As for the rest of it, do not of you ""two tier"" lot remember the 2011 riots. Hundreds of people charged and jailed in the same timescale and with similar sentences, people getting over a year for looting a bottle of water. You can argue it's over the top but the law around violent disorder carries more harsh sentences than if you just commit the same crime eg nicking a bottle of water, on your own. It's to deter mass violence and rioting. One of my closest friends was a Sergeant taken off far more serious work in 2011 who were tasked solely with tracking down rioters who'd committed minescule acts in the big scheme of things. This was under the direction of that old socialist, marxist BLM advocate... Boris Johnson who as London Mayor had oversight responsibility for the Met. I could be wrong but I don't remember a big outcry on WHO about all the 2011 rioters getting massive sentences. There undoubtedly has been two tier policing in certain things eg policing of a lot of the BLM stuff, ignoring the grooming gangs. But this 2024 rioting, investigations and sentencing is no quicker or more severe than 2011. The only difference now is most of the 2024 violence supporters on WHO had no sympathy with the 2011 rioters. Personally I'm happy that the 2011 and 2024 lot are/were both getting sent down. #### them all. With the Leeds riots, they nicked dozens of people after the event and some are now doing time who pleaded guilty, some on remand and some awaiting trial on bail."

I thought he pleaded guilty - I've not seen any news about his sentence.

goose 1:16 Wed Aug 21 Re: Manchester Airport incident I'm assuming that Roma gypsy guy who set fire to the bus is already behind bars? I can't be bothered to google it. He was on remand in prison within 48 hours. I don't know what's happened since then.

Trundle There can hardly be news of Ricky Jones' sentencing being shown live when he hasn't had a trial yet.

I've certainly got you bang to rights.

"H&P In other words, as usual, you've got nothing. Good, I'll go back to ignoring you."

"My dear, strange purple little fellow. That's the PM talking to the public about his expectations and praise of the justice system. He is also sending a signal that he won't be blackmailed and will stand firm. I'm afraid your assertion that we have kangaroo courts and a Soviet system rests on the false grounds the PM is instructing or maybe steering the courts. I also think you know this perfectly well so you are basically deliberately misleading people who don't really understand how these things work. They are gullible and frustrated and you are preying on their vulnerability. Why don't you find yourself something useful to do?"

"Hammer and Pickle 2:11 Wed Aug 21 'What absolute twaddle! There has been no such instruction because none could be binding without an act of Parliament, and that's still in summer recess. There, there - it's a touch of the sun, isn't it Pointy.' https://www.itv.com/news/2024-08-06/more-violence-flares-in-plymouth-and-belfast-as-arrests-continue 'Sir Keir Starmer has said he is expecting ""substantive sentencing""ù for those taking part in riots across the UK ""before the end of this week""ù. Speaking from Downing Street on Tuesday evening, the prime minister praised the ""robust and swift response"" of the criminal justice system in dealing with rioters. He said: ""Those involved will feel the full force of the law""¶ over 400 people now have been arrested, 100 have been charged ""ì some in relation to online activity ""ì and a number of them are already in court. ""I'm now expecting substantive sentencing before the end of this week. That should send a very powerful message to anybody involved, either directly or online, that you are likely to be dealt with within a week. Nobody, but nobody, should be involved themselves in this disorder.""ù Google 'substantive definition' 'substantive /s≈≠b""≤st…ôn-tƒ≠v/ adjective Substantial; considerable.' Moron"

"I recall in the governments manifesto they committed to reducing legal immigration & ""òattempting' to do better on illegal immigration What that means who knows but understand it will differ from legionella barges & spending ¬£700m on sending 4 people who volunteered to go to Rwanda"

", 1:58 Wed Aug 21 'Sounds to me that you're acting like a sore loser over something but at least you seem to have rowed back on your kangaroo Court assertion' Rowed back? I've reiterated it and given evidence for it at least three times."

"BRANDED 2:00 Wed Aug 21 Indeed - far too many people chasing far too few resources. Why are there far too few resources? Because nobody knows how much actual demand there is in the UK on account of certain people leaning a certain way rejoicing when immigrants find a way to give the established immigration process the finger. Absolutely nothing to do with skin colour, religion or race. Numbers - just numbers and ONLY numbers. An additional person, whatever race, religion or colour places demands on society's current infrastructure. If planners are prevented, possibly deliberately via current government policy, from knowing how many people are actually here/expected, even to within 10%, how on earth can they plan to deliver the required infrastructure needed?"

You forgot to mention he gets a cell with a park view and orange squash for breakfast Twundle. Let it sink in son.

", 2:10 Wed Aug 21 ""Councillor Ricky Jones is in custody awaiting Trial on a charge of inciting violence. The next step is a pre Trial hearing on 6 September."" Not sure anyone needed to read it again, but thanks for repeating what I just wrote. Was there anything on Google about his sentencing being streamed live, like that others?"

"""Incidentally, an instruction by the government to apply penal tariffs to the maximum is a flagrant over-riding of judicial independence. Some you expect in a Soviet-style justice system.""ù What absolute twaddle! There has been no such instruction because none could be binding without an act of Parliament, and that's still in summer recess. There, there - it's a touch of the sun, isn't it Pointy."

Councillor Ricky Jones is in custody awaiting Trial on a charge of inciting violence. The next step is a pre Trial hearing on 6 September. Perhaps he may be persuaded by his legal counsel to plead guilty.

"I loved the way the ""Far Right"" looted Greggs and the Body Shop. We have something in the region of 10 million extra people in the UK and by some estimates 4 million homes required. Supply and demand could mean that house prices and rents go up as every new person arrives. Not all those arriving are poor. Many are wealthy, educated and buy and rent. The knock on effect is felt everywhere. The poorest get hit the hardest. All prices rise above their means. I met a bloke who advises wealthy international investors the other day. He advised them that it was probably impossible to build the homes required due to a shortage of skills. He said, in theory, if you could build prefab homes in big factories you could in theory increase productivity but the Brits don't do that so it's going to stay the same. So. These issues are not going away. Irrespective of the shabby types and the misinformation web sites in Pakistan."

"Sounds to me that you're acting like a sore loser over something but at least you seem to have rowed back on your kangaroo Court assertion, As for the sentences handed out it is somewhat similar to what was imposed on JSO disrupters, or many complaints about that on here though. Your deliberate ignoring of due process ( because you do know and did not need fifth to school you ) is disingenuous but it does indicate how far you will lie, exaggerate and mislead in order to disseminate your Reform UK PlC dogma."

"They had the perfect opportunity to prove there wasn't any 2 tier stuff with the Labour councillor Ricky Jones. It was probably easier to convict him than many of the others who did it online. I mean, the video evidence is all there for us to see. But I think we've got to wait a couple of weeks before he goes to trail, and I'd be very surprised if there's any live stream of his conviction."

", 1:09 Wed Aug 21 Loads more brownie points available for whoever addresses the underlying issues that allowed these riots to be triggered so easily."

"comma But only 'right-wing rioters', eh! Others must receive due process, diligent and careful investigation, proper consideration of all the facts, 'consultations with community leaders'. I've told you repeatedly. Sticking your tongue three inches inside 2TK's fundament still isn't going to get you PR. Incidentally, an instruction by the government to apply penal tariffs to the maximum is a flagrant over-riding of judicial independence. Some you expect in a Soviet-style justice system."

"So, why, exactly are there now too few prison cells to accommodate the anticipated criminals in the given UK population? Ditto why too few school places where required, care home places where required, transport (when it is required) capacity... Seems the elephant in the room here is far too big to be seen, but it won't fuck off - just like the posters who ask awkward, but valid, questions."

I'm assuming that Roma gypsy guy who set fire to the bus is already behind bars? I can't be bothered to google it.

These Courts have patently not been kangaroo Courts and we all know it. The disturbances and riots and looting needed to be nipped in the bud and rapid legal/judicial action combined with the application of penal tariffs to the maximum are serving as an example to those that might be gulled in the future.