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West Ham United vs Chelsea | EPL | 21.9.24 | Match Thread

Posted: 21 Sep 2024, 06:35
by stubbo-admin

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Fulham: 15/14

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Re: West Ham United vs Chelsea | EPL | 21.9.24 | Match Thread

Posted: 21 Sep 2024, 14:51
by Full Claret Jacket
happygilmore wrote: 21 Sep 2024, 14:34
Sir Alf" wrote: 21 Sep 2024, 14:27 Our great transfer window not looking so great

Summerville looked ok. But we lack pace and have for years. Loppy is another older previous era manager. We need to modernise and didnt it would seem
 
There was a lot of noise about our great transfer window.  But I remember talking to a few neutrals who were pointing out that apart from maybe, Todibo, there was no one in the signings that a top 8 close would want. I'm beginning to doubt of few of these myself. 
 
 
I think it was a good window apart from selling but as other promoted teams have found, if you change too many players and introduce a new system you are going to struggle. I've no idea how Todibo is not in the side. Can only think he either trains like Tevez, has an attitude issue or West Ham cant afford to buy/pay his wages if he plays a certain number of games without busting FFP. 
I think JWP might have done better from those free kicks and corners today. We look toothless from them. 

Re: West Ham United vs Chelsea | EPL | 21.9.24 | Match Thread

Posted: 21 Sep 2024, 14:48
by BillyJenningsBoots
I see the knicker wetters are back... I expected better from you Sir Alf...

We lost to Chelsea 5-0 earlier this year when admittedly they were on Champions League form and they have carried that on into this season.

Our first 3 home games were Man City, Villa and Chelsea who will all be either vying for top 4 or for the title. So lets not get carried away, if we'd just lost to Brentford at home then yes lets talk about it...

Loppy has to get this defence working harder and better maybe Dino needs to be rested and lets try Todibo not sure why he's not done so already cos every game Dino drops a ricket.. and I think he'll get it sorted they are not bad players we should be better than this.. weve got to stop making so many mistakes..

I am concerned about the lack of goals though we had more shots on target than Chelsea but they just had clearer chances caused by our woeful defending... but Kudus, Bowen and Somerville need to get their shooting boots on. 

The Brentford game is massive and he needs to get the teams heads straight and cut out the mistakes... a bad day at the office...move on!

Re: West Ham United vs Chelsea | EPL | 21.9.24 | Match Thread

Posted: 21 Sep 2024, 14:45
by Keep dreaming
Not sustained holding, fuck me they made a proper fuck up on this one.
IT means you can hold for a second, but not two?

Insane

Re: West Ham United vs Chelsea | EPL | 21.9.24 | Match Thread

Posted: 21 Sep 2024, 14:42
by Full Claret Jacket
Sir Alf" wrote: 21 Sep 2024, 14:22 If u play a high line and want to keep the ball you gotta have pace and athletes

This aint La Liga its very quick and intense. Loopy out of his depth. Needs to learn fast. Get some yoofs in
 
 
Pace is one thing but a lot of the younger players including Summerville get bullied by stronger players in this league. Kudus is the player Antonio dreamed of being when he made himself look like Mark Henry. What a waste he is now. Too bulky, slow and fatigued within 20 mins. 

Re: West Ham United vs Chelsea | EPL | 21.9.24 | Match Thread

Posted: 21 Sep 2024, 14:39
by threesixty
stubbo-admin wrote: 21 Sep 2024, 14:26
threesixty wrote: 21 Sep 2024, 14:24 I think we needed this. A dose of reality. 
I think we’ve passed it about better but our defensive positioning for the goals is a mess. It’s not about pace, it’s about positioning. Mavro for me is meant to cover and close down that first goal. Alvarez as well, just all wrong. 

im not surprised we haven’t scored because defensively if your 2,3 up you don’t have to commit anyone forward. So the game was lost very early. 

Very bad day at the office, esp. at home. But positively we are playing differently in midfield and that shows some progress. 

I think if we’re honest, changing manager and football philosophy, plus new players will always take a few months. As long as I see some positive things on the pitch I’ll live..




 
 
Struggling to agree. Didn't take him that long at Wolves. Didn't take Postecoglu that long at Spurs. 

Have to hope this is more like Iraola at Bournemouth, but the signs aren't great.
 
 
Different circumstances. 
Spurs were never really shit, Ange just took the hand brakes off them. But in the end he didn’t really solve their overall success problems.

wolves were fighting relegation which is a very different job.

the West Ham job is weird. The task is to change the way we play to please the fans and still get Europe. and to do that instantly without dropping points. I think that’s a pretty hard job and something not many managers have done quickly. 

takes most managers ages, no matter how good they are. Guardiola won fuck all his 1st season as he restructured. And that’s with the best squad in the league. Generally you go backwards before you go forwards when restructuring a team. It would be more worrying if he did really well early as maybe that would disguise a lot of issues. 

So I’m not panicking just yet. Early doors…

Re: West Ham United vs Chelsea | EPL | 21.9.24 | Match Thread

Posted: 21 Sep 2024, 14:37
by Ron Eff
I think going forwards we were ok. On the counter I have never seen a team defend worse. The three at the back decision was weird and a disaster. We lost an essential body in midfield. 

It’s a clear penalty, and so what is the point of VAR if it can’t get that right?

Would it change the game? Who knows. 

Jury out on Lope. Some good things, but more bad. Impossible to take a team from low block to high line seamlessly. Should have been a gradual transition. 

He needs to work out his best team and system fucking lively. 

Re: West Ham United vs Chelsea | EPL | 21.9.24 | Match Thread

Posted: 21 Sep 2024, 14:34
by happygilmore
Sir Alf" wrote: 21 Sep 2024, 14:27 Our great transfer window not looking so great

Summerville looked ok. But we lack pace and have for years. Loppy is another older previous era manager. We need to modernise and didnt it would seem
 
 
There was a lot of noise about our great transfer window.  But I remember talking to a few neutrals who were pointing out that apart from maybe, Todibo, there was no one in the signings that a top 8 close would want. I'm beginning to doubt of few of these myself. 

Re: West Ham United vs Chelsea | EPL | 21.9.24 | Match Thread

Posted: 21 Sep 2024, 14:34
by Full Claret Jacket
No pace or energy in the middle of the park. God knows where some players were playing today. So easy to score against us. I thought a few of our players were decent but the back four and central mid were a shambles. Please play Todibo into the side. He can at least read the game. 
Areola beaten near post twice, Alvarez caught leaving tons of space for his man. Its basic stuff, sloppy and I want to see more desire. 

Re: West Ham United vs Chelsea | EPL | 21.9.24 | Match Thread

Posted: 21 Sep 2024, 14:33
by Keep dreaming
I don't blame the manager today.
It was a decent lineup par Mavropanos instead of Todibo.
Secondly it's no reason to add Soucek and Antonio. That's my only gripe 

Today we gave them 3 golden goal scoring chances by incompetent defending, and especially lack of awareness.

After two easy goal,  they could sit back Moyes style and let us try and try.

In my opinion we were denied a stone wall penalty. And that could have changed the game 

I can see huge improvements, but the defence is a big worry

Re: West Ham United vs Chelsea | EPL | 21.9.24 | Match Thread

Posted: 21 Sep 2024, 14:32
by cholo
By taking off Summerville and putting Kudos back on the left he basically waves the white flag as it didn't at all address the problems we had all game, it just blunted any enthusiasm and cutting edge in an attacking sense.

Definite penalty, I just don't see the point in var at this stage except to rule out goals. But let's face it, we still would've lost that match even if we go in half time at 1-2.

Re: West Ham United vs Chelsea | EPL | 21.9.24 | Match Thread

Posted: 21 Sep 2024, 14:31
by Sir Alf
Couldnt get near them in transition

loppy wont be around too long based on his first 6 games.

We look miles behimd Chelsea and they are supposed to be flaky in defence? Well they pooked poor against other teams but not West Ham who continue to be the oldest, slowest team in the league

Re: West Ham United vs Chelsea | EPL | 21.9.24 | Match Thread

Posted: 21 Sep 2024, 14:29
by Elpojohn
Clueless, Gutless performance , what is the point of bringing on cresswell and irving . Highly paid Flops and a know it all manager who knows nowt. 

Re: West Ham United vs Chelsea | EPL | 21.9.24 | Match Thread

Posted: 21 Sep 2024, 14:29
by Coffee one sugar
Mex Martillo" wrote: 21 Sep 2024, 14:26 Fuck
what a no effort shit 2nd half 
Yep.

Re: West Ham United vs Chelsea | EPL | 21.9.24 | Match Thread

Posted: 21 Sep 2024, 14:27
by Sir Alf
Our great transfer window not looking so great

Summerville looked ok. But we lack pace and have for years. Loppy is another older previous era manager. We need to modernise and didnt it would seem

Re: West Ham United vs Chelsea | EPL | 21.9.24 | Match Thread

Posted: 21 Sep 2024, 14:26
by Mex Martillo
Fuck
what a no effort shit 2nd half 

Re: West Ham United vs Chelsea | EPL | 21.9.24 | Match Thread

Posted: 21 Sep 2024, 14:26
by stubbo-admin
threesixty wrote: 21 Sep 2024, 14:24 I think we needed this. A dose of reality. 
I think we’ve passed it about better but our defensive positioning for the goals is a mess. It’s not about pace, it’s about positioning. Mavro for me is meant to cover and close down that first goal. Alvarez as well, just all wrong. 

im not surprised we haven’t scored because defensively if your 2,3 up you don’t have to commit anyone forward. So the game was lost very early. 

Very bad day at the office, esp. at home. But positively we are playing differently in midfield and that shows some progress. 

I think if we’re honest, changing manager and football philosophy, plus new players will always take a few months. As long as I see some positive things on the pitch I’ll live..


 
 
 
Struggling to agree. Didn't take him that long at Wolves. Didn't take Postecoglu that long at Spurs. 

Have to hope this is more like Iraola at Bournemouth, but the signs aren't great.

Re: West Ham United vs Chelsea | EPL | 21.9.24 | Match Thread

Posted: 21 Sep 2024, 14:26
by Attwood
And whilst we’re at it, a man in his late 50’s in a professional position who turns up for work in jeans needs a serious word with himself

Re: West Ham United vs Chelsea | EPL | 21.9.24 | Match Thread

Posted: 21 Sep 2024, 14:24
by threesixty
I think we needed this. A dose of reality. 
I think we’ve passed it about better but our defensive positioning for the goals is a mess. It’s not about pace, it’s about positioning. Mavro for me is meant to cover and close down that first goal. Alvarez as well, just all wrong. 

im not surprised we haven’t scored because defensively if your 2,3 up you don’t have to commit anyone forward. So the game was lost very early. 

Very bad day at the office, esp. at home. But positively we are playing differently in midfield and that shows some progress. 

I think if we’re honest, changing manager and football philosophy, plus new players will always take a few months. As long as I see some positive things on the pitch I’ll live..
 

Re: West Ham United vs Chelsea | EPL | 21.9.24 | Match Thread

Posted: 21 Sep 2024, 14:24
by happygilmore
we've spent loads and ended up with the oldest Avg EPL Squad

 

Re: West Ham United vs Chelsea | EPL | 21.9.24 | Match Thread

Posted: 21 Sep 2024, 14:23
by nychammer
He clearly has no idea what his starting 11 are as evidenced by the subs. He ran back to Soucek, Antonio and Creswell predictably to no effect whatsoever, that's a backwards move, you have to try and integrate your new signings. He gets time but not a lot of it.

Highlights were a couple of runs by summerville and a save to keep it at 0-3

Re: West Ham United vs Chelsea | EPL | 21.9.24 | Match Thread

Posted: 21 Sep 2024, 14:23
by Takashi Miike
the players don't look happy, didn't last game either. they also didn't look happy playing under that jock minge, so fuck off with any more calls for yet more of his shit

Re: West Ham United vs Chelsea | EPL | 21.9.24 | Match Thread

Posted: 21 Sep 2024, 14:22
by Sir Alf
If u play a high line and want to keep the ball you gotta have pace and athletes

This aint La Liga its very quick and intense. Loopy out of his depth. Needs to learn fast. Get some yoofs in

Re: West Ham United vs Chelsea | EPL | 21.9.24 | Match Thread

Posted: 21 Sep 2024, 14:20
by Percy Dalton
That's got to be the worst in a long long time defending like schoolboys and being coached by a man that doesn't know his arsehole from his elbow.

Re: West Ham United vs Chelsea | EPL | 21.9.24 | Match Thread

Posted: 21 Sep 2024, 14:17
by Sir Alf
Should have been 0-6 if we are honest

all hope for season evapourating fast

Re: West Ham United vs Chelsea | EPL | 21.9.24 | Match Thread

Posted: 21 Sep 2024, 14:15
by stubbo-admin
Taking off Summerville and switching Kudus has nullified all our threat too.

Bowen is no captain sadly. No gravitas. We're lacking cohesion and in a bad way currently. Got lots of quiet players who aren't gonna hold the others to account.

But more than anything he's gotta fix the defence/ability to stop teams getting so many chances against us.