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Time for massive protests against David Sullivan!
- Mike Oxsaw
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Re: Time for massive protests against David Sullivan!
El Scorchio" wrote: ↑24 Jul 2025, 16:20 That's it. A season ticket is guaranteed income they can borrow against. That's the only reason for the chasing. They can make potentially five times as much from selling a seat game by game but alternatively they could make nothing. A one off ticket buyer is definitely a lot more valuable then a season ticket holder in terms of what they spend first on the ticket and then more likely as a one off or rare visitor on food drink and likely something in the shop. But you can't tell a lender you have that money even if you can reliably forecast it on past data because it might not happen, so they won't lend against it. Bit of a weird catch 22. On one hand I am sure they want to fuck us off because they make loads more from tourists and infrequent attenders, but they can't because their business plan of payday loans to finance the upcoming season goes down the shitter.
If the ST waiting list was massive and people were jumping at the chance to take season tickets the moment the renewal deadline passes they wouldn't give a fuck at all though, I am sure.
So, if you want to maintain your season ticket...A season ticket...the best option is to not renew until the very last day.
The perceived/promoted risk is that by leaving it late then you might not get the seat(s) you want, and I fully understand that.
The counter to that is that you just walk away if your preferred seat is not available. Nailed on if you threaten that, the seat you want will suddenly become "available again after a late cancellation" (last day to purchase - how "late" is "late"?) . That's a big risk, though, and far be it for me to suggest others take it.
Also it needs a significant number of ST holders to go down that path and for a myriad of reasons, too few people are likely to take on such an approach - were I a ST holder (again), I'd probably buy as soon as they became available because that's what I tend to do with all purchases of stuff I want; one less thing to worry about later.
The bottom line is: " Do they want/need your money more than you want/need football. It's apples & oranges in reality.
The perceived/promoted risk is that by leaving it late then you might not get the seat(s) you want, and I fully understand that.
The counter to that is that you just walk away if your preferred seat is not available. Nailed on if you threaten that, the seat you want will suddenly become "available again after a late cancellation" (last day to purchase - how "late" is "late"?) . That's a big risk, though, and far be it for me to suggest others take it.
Also it needs a significant number of ST holders to go down that path and for a myriad of reasons, too few people are likely to take on such an approach - were I a ST holder (again), I'd probably buy as soon as they became available because that's what I tend to do with all purchases of stuff I want; one less thing to worry about later.
The bottom line is: " Do they want/need your money more than you want/need football. It's apples & oranges in reality.
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- El Scorchio
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Re: Time for massive protests against David Sullivan!
That's it. A season ticket is guaranteed income they can borrow against. That's the only reason for the chasing. They can make potentially five times as much from selling a seat game by game but alternatively they could make nothing. A one off ticket buyer is definitely a lot more valuable then a season ticket holder in terms of what they spend first on the ticket and then more likely as a one off or rare visitor on food drink and likely something in the shop. But you can't tell a lender you have that money even if you can reliably forecast it on past data because it might not happen, so they won't lend against it. Bit of a weird catch 22. On one hand I am sure they want to fuck us off because they make loads more from tourists and infrequent attenders, but they can't because their business plan of payday loans to finance the upcoming season goes down the shitter.
If the ST waiting list was massive and people were jumping at the chance to take season tickets the moment the renewal deadline passes they wouldn't give a fuck at all though, I am sure.
If the ST waiting list was massive and people were jumping at the chance to take season tickets the moment the renewal deadline passes they wouldn't give a fuck at all though, I am sure.
- Massive Attack
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Re: Time for massive protests against David Sullivan!
Yes. We are guaranteed big money to them beyond their usual revenue streams. I was hounded by 5 seperate calls from Ticket Office staff this summer once it became apparent I wasn't renewing like I usually did. And each time they were very reluctant to give up on my loyal support reliable ST payments, as well as anything I may potentially buy in the Shop/concourses which wasn't much anyway. It was a real eye opener in to how desperate they were being this summer, although not shocked. They must have hemorrhaged a shitload of reliable fans since the move that it now concerns them greatly, regardless of how many daytrippers take some of our spots. That goes only so far before it's of real concern..
Re: Time for massive protests against David Sullivan!
Mike Oxsaw" wrote: ↑24 Jul 2025, 12:23 Do they actually want (/need) the old skool contingent?
Sullivan''s VisiCalc program has probably told him that a seat occupied by a different tourist for every (home) game generates a better ROI than one occupied by a local/season ticket holder.
So long as the club remains in the PL (and it's Brand PL the tourists come to see, not West Ham), banks will keep lending (Payday loans) and sucking interest payments from the club coffers.
Would relegation cleanse the club of him, or would it put us in dire straits that we could find ourselves falling down the leagues or worse?
- Mike Oxsaw
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Re: Time for massive protests against David Sullivan!
Do they actually want (/need) the old skool contingent?
Sullivan''s VisiCalc program has probably told him that a seat occupied by a different tourist for every (home) game generates a better ROI than one occupied by a local/season ticket holder.
So long as the club remains in the PL (and it's Brand PL the tourists come to see, not West Ham), banks will keep lending (Payday loans) and sucking interest payments from the club coffers.
Sullivan''s VisiCalc program has probably told him that a seat occupied by a different tourist for every (home) game generates a better ROI than one occupied by a local/season ticket holder.
So long as the club remains in the PL (and it's Brand PL the tourists come to see, not West Ham), banks will keep lending (Payday loans) and sucking interest payments from the club coffers.
- Massive Attack
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That's the point I finally got to with it all. I realise I'm pissing in the wind a bit wanting to push a petition as I'll try anything to apply pressure on the rat bastards to leave the Club. Ultimately it's got to be in the pocket that'll send the biggest message of all to them.
Money is their only language they truly understand and they were clearly sweating it this summer endlessly chasing around to keep longstanding punters.
Money is their only language they truly understand and they were clearly sweating it this summer endlessly chasing around to keep longstanding punters.
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Re: Time for massive protests against David Sullivan!
I'm getting the word...
NONCE.
NONCE.
- Mike Oxsaw
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Re: Time for massive protests against David Sullivan!
Or you, it seems.
Re: Time for massive protests against David Sullivan!
No chance of you sorting it is there ThickClit
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