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Sunderland vs West Ham Utd | PL | 16.8.25 | Predictions & Match Thread
Posted: 14 Aug 2025, 22:32
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Re: Sunderland vs West Ham Utd | PL | 16.8.25 | Predictions & Match Thread
Posted: 16 Aug 2025, 18:03
by El Scorchio
onsideman wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025, 17:54
El Scorchio" wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025, 17:39
As I couldn’t see it, was Wilson absolute gash when he came on? Probably cost us 80k for 20 minutes.
Yes. ABSOLUTE
I’m shocked!
Re: Sunderland vs West Ham Utd | PL | 16.8.25 | Predictions & Match Thread
Posted: 16 Aug 2025, 18:01
by THUNDERCLINT
Mike Oxsaw" wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025, 17:47
Massive Attack" wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025, 17:25
Jasnik wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025, 17:16
Also why don't we ever cross balls into the box.
who plans our set pieces as seems we go short for the person delivering going long.
Potter and his Coaches.
More like Potter and his Cockroaches.
Cockpissroaches
Re: Sunderland vs West Ham Utd | PL | 16.8.25 | Predictions & Match Thread
Posted: 16 Aug 2025, 18:00
by Sydney_Iron
Everyone on the playing side of things at the club and the owners and board should be ashamed at this performance and result.
This season is going to be shit, relegation on this showing is very much on the.cards.
Fuck off West Ham.
*Yes I have had a drink or 2…..,,
Re: Sunderland vs West Ham Utd | PL | 16.8.25 | Predictions & Match Thread
Posted: 16 Aug 2025, 18:00
by Tomsdad
One hell of a half time team talk.
Re: Sunderland vs West Ham Utd | PL | 16.8.25 | Predictions & Match Thread
Posted: 16 Aug 2025, 17:59
by kylay
I thought Hermanson done okay. He made a great save in the first half to keep it level and his distribution is much better than we've had for some time which should only get better as he integrates with the team. The first goal looked bad in real time, but the only reason that shot had anything on it was the contact from the defender. The attacker's momentum in the air was carrying him away from goal. The second and third were atrocious defending. No chance on the second and definitely should have stopped the third. He's also much better with crosses than areola. It wasn't a great performance but not awful.
Re: Sunderland vs West Ham Utd | PL | 16.8.25 | Predictions & Match Thread
Posted: 16 Aug 2025, 17:54
by onsideman
El Scorchio" wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025, 17:39
As I couldn’t see it, was Wilson absolute gash when he came on? Probably cost us 80k for 20 minutes.
Yes. ABSOLUTE
Re: Sunderland vs West Ham Utd | PL | 16.8.25 | Predictions & Match Thread
Posted: 16 Aug 2025, 17:52
by fraser
onsideman wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025, 17:36
That Diarra looked worth the £27m they paid for him
Pace, strength and energy. Imagine some of that in your midfield
Pay attention it's hard nigh on impossible to buy midfielders better than we have... Didn't you get the latest board stooge memo
Re: Sunderland vs West Ham Utd | PL | 16.8.25 | Predictions & Match Thread
Posted: 16 Aug 2025, 17:47
by Mike Oxsaw
Massive Attack" wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025, 17:25
Jasnik wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025, 17:16
Also why don't we ever cross balls into the box.
who plans our set pieces as seems we go short for the person delivering going long.
Potter and his Coaches.
More like Potter and his Cockroaches.
Re: Sunderland vs West Ham Utd | PL | 16.8.25 | Predictions & Match Thread
Posted: 16 Aug 2025, 17:46
by scott_d
On todays result and performance, probably one of the only premiership teams to go into this season weaker than how we finished last season.
Even Bournemouth who sold 75% of their defence looked better than us. Imagine we played anyone decent today?
It is not acceptable.
Re: Sunderland vs West Ham Utd | PL | 16.8.25 | Predictions & Match Thread
Posted: 16 Aug 2025, 17:45
by Massive Attack
Hermansen should have done a lot better and deserves the flak he's getting for that 2nd half. What I will reiterate though is I found it astonishing that Potter would chuck him in immediately having not played with his new Team mates and the way we are set up. They all looked like strangers defensively with no one looking good at the back. We only signed him last Saturday and Potter chucks him in cold is bizarre having Areola played throughout Pre-season well up and running.
Re: Sunderland vs West Ham Utd | PL | 16.8.25 | Predictions & Match Thread
Posted: 16 Aug 2025, 17:43
by zico
Hermanson gives me the Allen McKnight vibe! I'm staggered Guido is still here, unless we can't give him away, how anyone can rate him is beyond me, he offers nothing at all, zilch. Same sadly with JWP. I had high hopes after a Southampton mate raved about him but he obviously wasn't good enough so shipped out to Forest where he wasn't good enough and now is back here as a starter! Desperately need to midfielders. I'd take Geoff Pike and Neil Orr over what we have!!
Re: Sunderland vs West Ham Utd | PL | 16.8.25 | Predictions & Match Thread
Posted: 16 Aug 2025, 17:43
by gpike
Indeed cheese bag he might have very small arms. However many more issues in that side than that
Re: Sunderland vs West Ham Utd | PL | 16.8.25 | Predictions & Match Thread
Posted: 16 Aug 2025, 17:40
by cheesebgt
I'm so glad we spent so much time getting a new keeper. Aerola would have had a clean sheet today. But hey, Hermansen can play with his feet, just can't save a ball. He has no reach.
Re: Sunderland vs West Ham Utd | PL | 16.8.25 | Predictions & Match Thread
Posted: 16 Aug 2025, 17:39
by El Scorchio
Same thing we’ve been spouting in vain as it seems all summer. Sullivan needs to get his wallet out and retool the midfield. I can only think the selection today was some sort of cry for help. I did not expect Guido to start.
As I couldn’t see it, was Wilson absolute gash when he came on? Probably cost us 80k for 20 minutes.
Re: Sunderland vs West Ham Utd | PL | 16.8.25 | Predictions & Match Thread
Posted: 16 Aug 2025, 17:36
by onsideman
That Diarra looked worth the £27m they paid for him
Pace, strength and energy. Imagine some of that in your midfield
Re: Sunderland vs West Ham Utd | PL | 16.8.25 | Predictions & Match Thread
Posted: 16 Aug 2025, 17:33
by Mex Martillo
Oh dear, same old West Ham.
All that possession and just fanied about doing nothing.
Really rubbish goals to concede.
New goal keeper didn't look good.
Looks like being a long hard season.
Re: Sunderland vs West Ham Utd | PL | 16.8.25 | Predictions & Match Thread
Posted: 16 Aug 2025, 17:32
by kylay
Boy, it's going to be a long season.
Positives:
For 30 minutes in the first half we played well and had the balance of play. Took a spectacular block from Ballard to keep it level.
Hermanson is an upgrade on areola which is a pretty low bar to clear.
First goal was a bit of a fluke, but having waves of attack for 15 minutes straight increased you odds.
If Sullivan had any shame, he might have been shamed into buying a few more players.
Negatives:
A championship team had us for pace almost to a man with the exception of Bowen.
Guido might be the slowest player in the prem. If we had any pace in the middle we might be able to hide it a little but we don't. He really shouldn't start.
We were out coached. Sunderland adjusted at the half and we had no answer. The subs came 15 minutes too late and did nothing to make us any more dangerous or solid.
We folded like a cheap suit after the first goal went in. This is a team devoid of leadership or confidence.
We have no depth. 3 kids to fill out the bench says it all.
We were blowing out our arse after 75 minutes.
We have no grit, fight, or dynamism. Not once did we respond with any kind of intent after their goals.
Re: Sunderland vs West Ham Utd | PL | 16.8.25 | Predictions & Match Thread
Posted: 16 Aug 2025, 17:25
by Sir Alf
We still havent replaced Rice let alone Kudus. We will probably mess up replacing Paqueta and Alvarez but they will need to go because our owner and board wont invest especially seeing how badly we invest on the recruitment side.
As nychammer says, we have the “stink” of relegation all over us.
Re: Sunderland vs West Ham Utd | PL | 16.8.25 | Predictions & Match Thread
Posted: 16 Aug 2025, 17:25
by Massive Attack
Jasnik wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025, 17:16
Also why don't we ever cross balls into the box.
who plans our set pieces as seems we go short for the person delivering going long.
Potter and his Coaches.
Re: Sunderland vs West Ham Utd | PL | 16.8.25 | Predictions & Match Thread
Posted: 16 Aug 2025, 17:24
by threesixty
threesixty wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025, 12:45
We should beat them. They have 11 new signings apparently, I don't think that stuff ever works.
3-1 West Ham!
Haha. It’s the hope that kills isn’t it?
I will now refer to my previous posts. I saw nothing in preseason that suggests any radical changes from last season. He’s spent 6 months doing the same thing (trying to patiently control the midfield but sacrificing making goal scoring opportunities at the same time). It hasn’t worked.
and he’s picked up where he left off. As most teams do. I keep saying that teams tend to take the form from the last season into the next.
no one is surprised by this (except Potter probably).
I said to someone it’s pure arrogance and ego to keep trying the same thing and it not working for like 8 months now. Blaming the tools (the players, the togetherness etc) but not his actual strategy. Because he’s dug himself a hole filled with his own ego and he can’t get out of it.
lets see how he reacts to Chelsea. Let’s see if he can think on his feet. My prediction was feast or famine with this lot. It’s either going to work amazingly or we will be in relegation zone by Xmas. I just don’t see any serious change to solve the problems we have.
And why buy an 18m keeper when you don’t even have a decent midfielder?? Like wtf is that about?
Re: Sunderland vs West Ham Utd | PL | 16.8.25 | Predictions & Match Thread
Posted: 16 Aug 2025, 17:22
by Massive Attack
COOL HAND LUKE" wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025, 16:52
Not easy for Todibo though, when he's partnered with fkg idiots...
They've all been wank, he gets far too easy a ride at this Club. Useless cսnt can barely last a full 90s amd he's just had a full Pre-Season unhindered. It's embarrassing how unfit this bloke is.

Re: Sunderland vs West Ham Utd | PL | 16.8.25 | Predictions & Match Thread
Posted: 16 Aug 2025, 17:21
by nychammer
Keep dreaming" wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025, 17:19
nychammer wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025, 17:17
Keep dreaming" wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025, 17:14
Selling Kudus, who would have created something for us, without any decent replacement is criminal behaviour.
Sullivan deserves bullets
Kudus is a talent worthy of playing in the Champions League. He's used us as stepping stone to get to a more ambitious club who can offer that, because let's face it he was wasting his time here.
That's not the point. We didn't have to sell him. But when we did, we didn't replace him
I think we _Had_ to sell him or face another moody season from him. Agree - we didn't replace him adequately but thats nothing new for us.
Re: Sunderland vs West Ham Utd | PL | 16.8.25 | Predictions & Match Thread
Posted: 16 Aug 2025, 17:21
by fraser
Victor John doesn't seem like such a bad idea at the moment.
Mads should have been eased in, his confidence will be shattered it's a good job we have an easy game next.
Re: Sunderland vs West Ham Utd | PL | 16.8.25 | Predictions & Match Thread
Posted: 16 Aug 2025, 17:20
by Keep dreaming
Far Cough UKunt" wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025, 17:18
Kilman
Fullkrug
Ward Prowse
Rodriguez
and Pansy Potter can all fuck right off
If you add Paqueta to that list, I'm IN
Re: Sunderland vs West Ham Utd | PL | 16.8.25 | Predictions & Match Thread
Posted: 16 Aug 2025, 17:19
by Keep dreaming
nychammer wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025, 17:17
Keep dreaming" wrote: ↑16 Aug 2025, 17:14
Selling Kudus, who would have created something for us, without any decent replacement is criminal behaviour.
Sullivan deserves bullets
Kudus is a talent worthy of playing in the Champions League. He's used us as stepping stone to get to a more ambitious club who can offer that, because let's face it he was wasting his time here.
That's not the point. We didn't have to sell him. But when we did, we didn't replace him