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[Come On You Irons]

There. Resident WHO political commentators and gurus can knock yourselves out in here and conduct your endless bickering. All other threads will be locked.

[Nutsin]

Mixed messages about whether an agreement has been made.
Sounds like something between 20-30% tariffs.
Lets see how the US consumer feels about taking on that cost inflation.

Still floundering.
Poor Goose.

[goose]

Mixed messages about whether an agreement has been made.
Sounds like something between 20-30% tariffs.
Lets see how the US consumer feels about taking on that cost inflation.

[goose]

Actually he used the phrase ‘trading partner’, and yes the EU is a trading partner. The UK does a deal with the EU, those terms cover the EU.

The UKs own government describes them as a trading partner. 

Yes. I have no doubt that arch-Remainer TTK, who is trying to stealth his way back in, mischaracterises the EU as a trading partner.

Arch-remainer trying to stealth his way back in?
wtf are you talking about?

[goose]

Floundering!

Floundering by describing the U.K. biggest trading partner as its biggest trading partner?

The same way the U.K. government does? Righto.

It’s obviously by country numbnuts. Do you really need it spelt out to you? 

And there you were thinking you were being clever when all you were doing was showing your lack of common sense.

We are talking trade agreements. Does the uk have an agreement with the EU or the individual countries?

I’ll give you some time to work it out.

[Nutsin]

And there’s even more, Trump has announced that Pharmaceutical drugs prices will be reduced by 30-80% effective immediately. 

Wow!

Got anything negative to say about this Goose?

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

Actually he used the phrase ‘trading partner’, and yes the EU is a trading partner. The UK does a deal with the EU, those terms cover the EU.

The UKs own government describes them as a trading partner. 

Yes. I have no doubt that arch-Remainer TTK, who is trying to stealth his way back in, mischaracterises the EU as a trading partner.

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

The US have just agreed a trade deal with China.




 

"The talks were productive" is not a deal! Sounds like far away from a deal. Lets see what they say tomorrow!   

U.S. Trade Representative Ambassador Jamieson Greer: “This was, as the Secretary pointed out, a very constructive two days. It’s important to understand how quickly we were able to come to agreement, which reflects that perhaps the differences were not so large as maybe thought. That being said, there was a lot of groundwork that went into these two days. Just remember why we’re here in the first place — the United States has a massive $1.2 trillion trade deficit, so the President declared a national emergency and imposed tariffs, and we’re confident that the deal we struck with our Chinese partners will help us to work toward resolving that national emergency.”

[Nutsin]

Actually he used the phrase ‘trading partner’, and yes the EU is a trading partner. The UK does a deal with the EU, those terms cover the EU.

The UKs own government describes them as a trading partner. 

Floundering!

Floundering by describing the U.K. biggest trading partner as its biggest trading partner?

The same way the U.K. government does? Righto.

It’s obviously by country numbnuts. Do you really need it spelt out to you? 

And there you were thinking you were being clever when all you were doing was showing your lack of common sense.

[goose]

Actually he used the phrase ‘trading partner’, and yes the EU is a trading partner. The UK does a deal with the EU, those terms cover the EU.

The UKs own government describes them as a trading partner. 

Floundering!

Floundering by describing the U.K. biggest trading partner as its biggest trading partner?

The same way the U.K. government does? Righto.

[Nutsin]

Actually he used the phrase ‘trading partner’, and yes the EU is a trading partner. The UK does a deal with the EU, those terms cover the EU.

The UKs own government describes them as a trading partner. 

Floundering!

[goose]

Actually he used the phrase ‘trading partner’, and yes the EU is a trading partner. The UK does a deal with the EU, those terms cover the EU.

The UKs own government describes them as a trading partner. 

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

Yeah, but Nutsin wasn't. And the EU is NOT a trading partner. We don't do any trade at all with the EU. It's a supra-national organisation that negotiates on behalf of a bunch of our trading partners.

[Nutsin]

Someone tell Goose that the EU isn't a country.

And it's a fag-paper under 41% and falling, not 42%.UK trade in numbers (web version) - GOV.UK . And that includes the ever popular Rotterdam effect (about 5% probably, maybe a bit more).

So we've amazing gone from a frightening, 'nearly half' to a less daunting, 'just about a third'.

Remainers gonna Remainer...

I said trading partner not trading country. The U.K. is currently doing a deal with the EU. They’re not doing a deal with France and a deal with Germany and a deal with Italy……….

 

 

Goose Take it up with AI and Gov.UK statistic bureau you massive bore.

Looks like Hamas are expected to release the last American hostage, all this winning it’s too much!

Mineral deal with Ukraine ….check
Trade deal with UK….. check
stop Houthi’s attacking ships threatening passageway through the Suez Canal….Check

Watch this space……..for

USA framework of new trade with China details expected for release tomorrow
ceasefire with Russia/Ukraine being negotiated thanks to Trump
New trade agreements with Saudi Arabia during next weeks visit

Other trade agreements with other trade partners expected any time.

All exciting stuff! He has only been in office for a little over 100 days ffs.

MAGA……Winners win!

[BillyJenningsBoots]

The US have just agreed a trade deal with China.



 

"The talks were productive" is not a deal! Sounds like far away from a deal. Lets see what they say tomorrow!   

[goose]

Someone tell Goose that the EU isn't a country.

And it's a fag-paper under 41% and falling, not 42%.UK trade in numbers (web version) - GOV.UK . And that includes the ever popular Rotterdam effect (about 5% probably, maybe a bit more).

So we've amazing gone from a frightening, 'nearly half' to a less daunting, 'just about a third'.

Remainers gonna Remainer...

I said trading partner not trading country. The U.K. is currently doing a deal with the EU. They’re not doing a deal with France and a deal with Germany and a deal with Italy……….

[Jaan Kenbrovin]

The US have just agreed a trade deal with China.

 

[SurfaceAgentX2Zero]

Someone tell Goose that the EU isn't a country.

And it's a fag-paper under 41% and falling, not 42%.UK trade in numbers (web version) - GOV.UK . And that includes the ever popular Rotterdam effect (about 5% probably, maybe a bit more).

So we've amazing gone from a frightening, 'nearly half' to a less daunting, 'just about a third'.

Remainers gonna Remainer...

[BillyJenningsBoots]

Moving on it appears the USA and China talks are progressing nicely.

I wonder what concessions Trump has pulled out of the Chinese?


 

Great progress de-escalating a trade war Trump started!

Trump already reduced tarrifs to 80% seems like the US is on the back foot from the off!

I imagine China will cone out on top but Trump will do his usual and make out its a huge win!

[goose]

Here is In 2024, the UK exported $79.9 billion in goods to the USA, accounting for 16.2% of total UK goods exports, making the USA the UK's largest goods export partner. Key goods exported included:

- Machinery and transport equipment: $29.1 billion, with cars being a significant component at $9.0 billion (27.4% of total UK car exports).
- Chemicals: $14.2 billion, led by medicinal and pharmaceutical products ($8.8 billion, 33.9% of UK exports in this category).
- Materials: $4.2 billion.

For services, the UK exported $137.0 billion to the USA in 2024 (27.0% of total UK services exports), with other business services, such as legal, accounting, and consulting, being the largest category at $61.2 billion.

The USA imposed a 10% baseline tariff on most UK goods imports starting April 5, 2025, with 25% tariffs on steel, aluminum, cars, and car parts. A recent UK-USA trade deal reduced tariffs on some UK exports, notably cutting the car tariff to 10% for up to 100,000 vehicles annually and removing tariffs on steel, aluminum, and Rolls-Royce engines and plane parts. However, quotas apply, and exports exceeding these face higher tariffs (e.g., 27.5% for cars).

The trade relationship remains significant, supporting 2.5 million jobs across both countries, though tariffs pose challenges to UK exporters, potentially requiring price cuts to stay competitive.


Lets see what happens eh?

Wrong again.

The EU is by a distance the U.K. most significant trading partner. 42% of exports.

Your googling skills are atrocious.

[goose]

Aren’t you the genius that was calling for the sky to fall in Stocks when others were buying a bargain of a lifetime?

Looking at the US/UK deal Tariffs were working fine for the UK until now, with the new trade agreement looks like Trump came out way ahead, so I’d say Trumps Tariffs have worked a treat so far, if you live in the USA of course.

we’ll see how Us trade in autos and Beef do once the new trade deal is finalized. Don’t be surprised if your doom and gloom bollox is proven wrong again you brainwashed socialist.

Worked a treat so far by:
making imported goods more expensive for everyone in the USA.

Had your growth forecast downgraded by literally everyone.

stopped the FED from reducing interest rates.

got you one deal with the uk which gives you access to sell cars nobody wants at the same duty it was anyway, and the opportunity to sell beef which doesn’t pass health & safety standards.

great job

I think you’ll find the 10% Tariff on British autos will hit the rich, we prefer American Beef.

Still talking negative forecasts. Here’s one, Trumps tax cuts are expected to add 3-4% to the GDP. Oh and by the way they include tax increases on the rich, people making over $2 mill per year.

As for the Fed lowering rates you are wrong! The Fed was lowering rates under Biden but the yield on the 10 year was rising because of inflation concerns. Look it up


Looking at the art of the deal I’d say Trump is way ahead with the UK. USA and China are currently in negotiations let’s see what happens. I’ll give you a prediction, The Sky want fall in! 

As for the Fed lowering rates, I’m 100% correct. How do I know that? Because they said so.
I posted their quotes about why they held rates instead of cutting. They have referenced the impact of tariffs multiple times.

Trump is the only person I’ve ever known to bankrupt a casino so i won’t hold my breath. Let’s see what concessions the Chinese get out of him.

The sky didn’t fall in because Trump was forced into an embarrassing U-turn. 

[Nutsin]

Moving on it appears the USA and China talks are progressing nicely.

I wonder what concessions Trump has pulled out of the Chinese?

 

[Nutsin]

Here is In 2024, the UK exported $79.9 billion in goods to the USA, accounting for 16.2% of total UK goods exports, making the USA the UK's largest goods export partner. Key goods exported included:

- Machinery and transport equipment: $29.1 billion, with cars being a significant component at $9.0 billion (27.4% of total UK car exports).
- Chemicals: $14.2 billion, led by medicinal and pharmaceutical products ($8.8 billion, 33.9% of UK exports in this category).
- Materials: $4.2 billion.

For services, the UK exported $137.0 billion to the USA in 2024 (27.0% of total UK services exports), with other business services, such as legal, accounting, and consulting, being the largest category at $61.2 billion.

The USA imposed a 10% baseline tariff on most UK goods imports starting April 5, 2025, with 25% tariffs on steel, aluminum, cars, and car parts. A recent UK-USA trade deal reduced tariffs on some UK exports, notably cutting the car tariff to 10% for up to 100,000 vehicles annually and removing tariffs on steel, aluminum, and Rolls-Royce engines and plane parts. However, quotas apply, and exports exceeding these face higher tariffs (e.g., 27.5% for cars).

The trade relationship remains significant, supporting 2.5 million jobs across both countries, though tariffs pose challenges to UK exporters, potentially requiring price cuts to stay competitive.


Lets see what happens eh?

[Nutsin]

Why do you keep mentioning the Ford Fusion? It already sells in the U.K. and is manufactured in Germany.

And you managed to prove that the pick up market is in terminal decline.

US made cars are a niche market over here, no matter how hard you try to spin it.

“Terminal decline” what a load of bollocks. 

Ford Mustangs out here are a lot cheaper than any of the British imports I mentioned and cheaper than Mercedes and BMW. It’s not even close. Mustang MSRP is $32 k approx Mercedes e350 MSRP start at approx $50k plus. BMW MSRP 3 series is approx $45k


Nobody has won or lost anything, all this conjecture on what will happen to US products in the UK moving forward remains to be seen.

Suffice to say most of the shit being spouted by the usual doom and gloom merchants has been proven to be bollox.

Goose hasn’t been right yet. I wouldn’t listen to him if I were you. 

So Trumps 10% Tariffs are a money maker for the US and Goose said Tariffs wouldn’t work. Looks like the USA came out on top in a big way on this trade deal.


MAGA!

Not really sure what your point is here Nutstain. Of course Mustangs are cheaper over there than a Rolls Royce but they are aimed at a totally different market.

Take the 10% tarrifs for the Rolls Royces and Jags good luck but as you say nothing is clear its all conjecture which is all you have too.

You'll make a few hundred milliion from US citizens paying more for luxury cars! Thats in no way winning big! My gut feel is that this deal will make very little difference if at all

But if Trump doesnt secure real deals which help the US manufacturers youll lose billions, like Boeing appears to be heading it wont make up for the billions already lost in trade!

Trump will have to row back further on tarrifs and that may include tarrifs on the UK this " deal" isnt even finalised so leta just see what happens!

I detect a different tone Billy, you been hitting the bong?

I agree let’s see what happens but what is apparent is the 10% blanket tariff Trump has been touting to everyone seems to be a thing,  although he did remove Rolls Royce engines from that. So there appears to be exclusions. Don’t forget Ethanol that Tariff has been removed so the price of a pint might go down so not all bad news for you lot. Don’t forget to Cheers Trump next time you’re down the boozer.

[Nutsin]

lol this from the genius who said a 45% decline was a golden opportunity  

yes I’d say that’s a terminal decline.

Ford Mustangs are available in the uk, nobody wants them. Like I said they’ve just had their worst sales in 60 years. You’ll probably claim this is another great opportunity  

if tariffs worked so well the markets wouldn’t have shit themselves.
if tariffs worked so well trump wouldn’t have been forced to make an embarrassing U-turn.
if tariffs worked so well then American companies wouldn’t be front loading all their inventories.

The only thing proven to be bollocks is your ability to google simple questions like “how much duty do you pay on US cars imported to the U.K.”

Aren’t you the genius that was calling for the sky to fall in Stocks when others were buying a bargain of a lifetime?

Looking at the US/UK deal Tariffs were working fine for the UK until now, with the new trade agreement looks like Trump came out way ahead, so I’d say Trumps Tariffs have worked a treat so far, if you live in the USA of course.

we’ll see how Us trade in autos and Beef do once the new trade deal is finalized. Don’t be surprised if your doom and gloom bollox is proven wrong again you brainwashed socialist.

Worked a treat so far by:
making imported goods more expensive for everyone in the USA.

Had your growth forecast downgraded by literally everyone.

stopped the FED from reducing interest rates.

got you one deal with the uk which gives you access to sell cars nobody wants at the same duty it was anyway, and the opportunity to sell beef which doesn’t pass health & safety standards.

great job

I think you’ll find the 10% Tariff on British autos will hit the rich, we prefer American Beef.

Still talking negative forecasts. Here’s one, Trumps tax cuts are expected to add 3-4% to the GDP. Oh and by the way they include tax increases on the rich, people making over $2 mill per year.

As for the Fed lowering rates you are wrong! The Fed was lowering rates under Biden but the yield on the 10 year was rising because of inflation concerns. Look it up


Looking at the art of the deal I’d say Trump is way ahead with the UK. USA and China are currently in negotiations let’s see what happens. I’ll give you a prediction, The Sky want fall in! 

[BillyJenningsBoots]

Why do you keep mentioning the Ford Fusion? It already sells in the U.K. and is manufactured in Germany.

And you managed to prove that the pick up market is in terminal decline.

US made cars are a niche market over here, no matter how hard you try to spin it.

“Terminal decline” what a load of bollocks. 

Ford Mustangs out here are a lot cheaper than any of the British imports I mentioned and cheaper than Mercedes and BMW. It’s not even close. Mustang MSRP is $32 k approx Mercedes e350 MSRP start at approx $50k plus. BMW MSRP 3 series is approx $45k


Nobody has won or lost anything, all this conjecture on what will happen to US products in the UK moving forward remains to be seen.

Suffice to say most of the shit being spouted by the usual doom and gloom merchants has been proven to be bollox.

Goose hasn’t been right yet. I wouldn’t listen to him if I were you. 

So Trumps 10% Tariffs are a money maker for the US and Goose said Tariffs wouldn’t work. Looks like the USA came out on top in a big way on this trade deal.


MAGA!

Not really sure what your point is here Nutstain. Of course Mustangs are cheaper over there than a Rolls Royce but they are aimed at a totally different market.

Take the 10% tarrifs for the Rolls Royces and Jags good luck but as you say nothing is clear its all conjecture which is all you have too.

You'll make a few hundred milliion from US citizens paying more for luxury cars! Thats in no way winning big! My gut feel is that this deal will make very little difference if at all

But if Trump doesnt secure real deals which help the US manufacturers youll lose billions, like Boeing appears to be heading it wont make up for the billions already lost in trade!

Trump will have to row back further on tarrifs and that may include tarrifs on the UK this " deal" isnt even finalised so leta just see what happens!