Daily Quiz anyone?

[easthammer]

"If you are stuck at home and bored like me. How about exercising the old grey cells? I have for a number of years run quiz nights and couple of times a year. I was due to do one tomorrow which is now cancelled So I have a bank of questions sitting in my computer's hard drive. They are quite eclectic in their nature. I am thinking I could put up a set of questions for which you write down your answers. After 30mins or so I will put up the answers. DO NOT POST YOUR ANSWERS. before I post the right answers. You mark your own answers and post your score. I will then record the scores and at the end of the ""lockdown"" we will see who is WHO's brainbox supreme. Obiviously no looking up the answers (you only cheat yourselves) Word of warning these won't be easy questions as they have been devised for teams of six. Forming teams on here might be too problematic. So I'll try to pick out the easier questions. Any interest?"

[geoffpikey]

"Ooh, 5 or 6 probably. Was hoping for more ""VE"" questions about 1999 Intertoto Cup :-)"

[zebthecat]

7 or 8 today I reckon.

[easthammer]

"Today's Questions 1.

[easthammer]

"Good Morning early start today, work to do preparing for a socially distanced street party for VE Day celebrations, nice to be in a cul-de-sac at times like these. Scores on the doors so far from yesterday, still no Son of Sam hope all is well with him. Zebthecat

[geoffpikey]

"I got a 4. And did NOT get the Dan Quayle/Jack Kennedy one. Although I do recall Mr Potatoe Head! God, how useless was he... 4.5 miles is a good walk, east, whatever your age! Wouldn't worry about that. Cheers."

[The_Phantom]

Four

[ironsofcanada]

4 Another side note - I love Jack Webb on the radio version of Dragnet and a bunch detective programs he did before and around it. The other two Dragnet Joe Fridays I know off the top of my head (might be them all) - Dan Aykroyd in the comedy movie and Ed Ed O'Neill (Al Bundy) in the Dick Wolf reboot. I like Dragnet.

[zebthecat]

2 as well

[Tomsdad]

2

[easthammer]

"Today's Answers How did you do? Daisy and Jacks Round 1.

[easthammer]

"I have been for a long walk (4.5miles at my age counts as long) consequently I missed out on the interesting names conversation. For what it is worth I am a John and one of my grandsons is Jack. Growing up in the family I was John Mickey because of my second name and because my dad was also a John. Don't think that count as a diminutive, more an identifier. Anyway, I don't particularly like the name, John because of the American connotation. As in I am going to the John. Now, what is the reason for that? The diminutive for Jack in the case of my grandson is Jacka which of course is longer."

[ironsofcanada]

geoffpikey 5:11 Thu May 7 Some people can make a living writing about all that. But yes it is a massive rabbit hole with not a lot of concrete evidence because not a lot formal - and therefore more likely to be extent - was generally written using nicknames (diminutive or otherwise).

[geoffpikey]

"Yeah but... Jonathan (Hebrew) led to both Jon/John and Johnny. So John and Johnny are, in fact, diminutives of something else! - Yohannon (God has given / blessed by God / Yah / Yahweh. Blimey,what have I started, haha!"

[gph]

"The h in the Latin Johannes was pronounced, which is probably where the German Johan and Hans come from."

[ironsofcanada]

geoffpikey 4:51 Thu May 7 Johnny is another diminutive of John. Chicharito is another longer one from another language. Jack is rare in that vowel sound changes but remember we are going over the Great Vowel Shift and there are examples from your quote like Henry and Harry that do it.

[geoffpikey]

"Diminutive is not ALWAYS shorter, no. Just often... Even ""usually"" Anyway, found out. It was only an ""I'm bored"" question! Best do some uninspiring work now. Two hour lunch, tsk."

[Far Cough]

"Diminutive in names doesn't have to be shorter, duckling is a diminutive of duck"

[geoffpikey]

"Canada. My query was more about diminutives. Dick and Baz ARE are, at least, diminutives. So is Mick. If Bazza and Mickey are not.. but I guess they're just ""flourishes"" of the first shortening. But Jack is NEVER a diminutive of John. Same syllables. Same number of letters. Only a J in common."

[geoffpikey]

"Canada. My query was more about diminutives. Dick and Baz ARE are, at least, diminutives. So is Mick. If Bazza and Mickey are not.. but I guess they're just ""flourishes"" of the first shortening. But Jack is NEVER a diminutive of John. Same syllables. Same number of letters. Only a J in common."

[geoffpikey]

"No trouble. The explanation I can find is: ""Jack, the commonest pet-name for John, has caused a good deal of difficulty owing to the natural assumption that it must be derived from the French Jacques and should therefore logically represent James rather than John. ""The problem was cleared up by E. W. B. Nicholson in a little book entitled The Pedigree of Jack and of Various Allied Names (1892). He showed that there is no recorded instance of Jack, Jak, Jacke, or Jakke ever being used to represent Jacques or James, and that no statement in favor of the French connexion has been produced from any early writer. He then proceeded to elucidate and illustrate with examples the development of Johannes [the standard Latin nominative form] to Jehan [the standard Old and Middle French oblique form] and Jan [the standard Middle Dutch form], whence, by addition of the common suffix -kin [a uniquely English suffix], we get Jankin, which as a result of French nasalization becomes Jackin [this is the same nasalization that gets us Harry from Henry], and was finally shortened to Jack. ""There was a similar development from Jon to Jock (the Scottish form of the name)."" So.... that's the best offered. Although that's a better explanation why Jack is NOT short for Jacob (Jakob) or anything to do with James. I'm all right, John. I think."

[ironsofcanada]

geoffpikey 3:35 Thu May 7 It's like Bazza for Barry Or Dick for Richard. Lots of things get changed in (especially diminutive) nicknames. One theory on that one was Jock (a form of John) was harder to say than Jack so it shifted that way. -ck (or even -kock) was a pretty common nickname ending - eg. Rick; Mack; Hick ( or Richard)used to be common Some become last names - Hickock-->Hicks

[geoffpikey]

"I know that, Cough. But WHY?"

[Far Cough]

Jack has commonly been used for John

[ironsofcanada]

easthammer 3:17 Thu May 7 Cheers

[geoffpikey]

"Think I've got 4. Maybe 5. Could be 3 if I'm being a jackass. NB: Why IS Jack ""short"" for John ( as with Kennedy'). Just a different name, innit? Might as well say, ""My name is David but you can call me Wayne."" I digress...."