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Takashi Miike" wrote: ↑19 Dec 2024, 13:18 "That's a lot of words to gloss over the fact that 'loser Lop' was sacked from all three jobs"

So was your beloved Moyes before we got him

Massive Attack" wrote: ↑19 Dec 2024, 12:50

Come On You Irons" wrote: ↑19 Dec 2024, 11:54 It's not just about stats Massive Attack. Stats can be skewed by the clubs that you manager. Avram Grant had a 67% win percentage as manager of one of the best Chelsea teams ever.

Lopetegui is a 'loser' because of the following:

- Sacked after 18 months as Porto manager having won NOTHING there (which is a huge underachievement in that league)

- Sacked as Real Madrid manager within four months for gross underachievement

- Sacked as Sevilla manager after a dreadful start to the 2022-2023 season

Anyway, it's just my opinion. I don't have a pathological desire to be proven right and if he turns it around and gets us into European football this season, I will praise him for it. Much like when I came on here and put my hands up and praised Paqueta after the Europa Conference League final for his performances during the second half of the 2022-2023 season (although his form has fallen off a cliff since then).

 

OK, so neither Stats nor Trophies in the Cabinet work for you. That's fine, we'll easily discard of those facts..

His stint at Porto, although having not won a trophy within his only full season in charge there actually produced a points total that normally yields a League title. 82 points and even lost 1 game fewer than eventual winners Benfica with also a +61 goal difference. Furthermore in that 1st season he also went on to reach the Quarter-Finals of the Champions League where he even beat Guardiolas Bayern Munich in the 1st Leg before eventually getting knocked out in the 2nd leg in Germany.

His time as Real Madrid manager if you followed it at the time was marred from the beginning due to the fall out from getting Sacked from the Spanish job on the eve of the World Cup. Even though he had prepared them excellently leading up to that point (they subsequently bombed out straight away in the World Cup group stages). Yes, he had to take responsibility for how it transpired with his pre-agreed contract with Real Madrid being leaked out (anybody would find it difficult to turn the job down) but it was still a hasty decision to sack him on the eve of the World Cup by a highly controversial Spanish Boss who later got the sack himself. So it seemed doomed from the very beginning starting out in his new high pressure job under such controversial circumstances and although he had some good/bad results, they decided to sack him. It certainly wasn't a straightforward start under so much controversy going in to the job but one he has to own.

As for his Sevilla record, you seriously want to question his impressive record there? Not only winning a prestigious European Trophy in his 1st season in charge, he also led them to 3 consecutive back-to-back Champions League qualifications via the Spanish League and in his last full season in charge got them in a genuine La Liga Title race. Only to eventually fall away in the end due to the Board not back him in the January window in 2nd place and the Squad decimated by injury (sound familiar?). He was also widely praised in the game for his Sevilla Teams playing the most attractive, free-flowing, attacking Football around in Europe had beat the likes of Roma, Man Utd and serial winner Contes Inter Milan in the Final on the way to European glory. 

Now with all that bearing in mind, are we honestly suggesting all his body of work as a Coach bringing on excellent youth talents, trophies, win percentage, goal scoring and winning record isn't good enough to manage a Team like West Ham? In the words of David Beckham, "be honest"...

'Loser Lop', indeed

Come On You Irons" wrote: ↑19 Dec 2024, 11:54 It's not just about stats Massive Attack. Stats can be skewed by the clubs that you manager. Avram Grant had a 67% win percentage as manager of one of the best Chelsea teams ever.

Lopetegui is a 'loser' because of the following:

- Sacked after 18 months as Porto manager having won NOTHING there (which is a huge underachievement in that league)

- Sacked as Real Madrid manager within four months for gross underachievement

- Sacked as Sevilla manager after a dreadful start to the 2022-2023 season

Anyway, it's just my opinion. I don't have a pathological desire to be proven right and if he turns it around and gets us into European football this season, I will praise him for it. Much like when I came on here and put my hands up and praised Paqueta after the Europa Conference League final for his performances during the second half of the 2022-2023 season (although his form has fallen off a cliff since then).

OK, so neither Stats nor Trophies in the Cabinet work for you. That's fine, we'll easily discard of those facts..

His stint at Porto, although having not won a trophy within his only full season in charge there actually produced a points total that normally yields a League title. 82 points and even lost 1 game fewer than eventual winners Benfica with also a +61 goal difference. Furthermore in that 1st season he also went on to reach the Quarter-Finals of the Champions League where he even beat Guardiolas Bayern Munich in the 1st Leg before eventually getting knocked out in the 2nd leg in Germany.

His time as Real Madrid manager if you followed it at the time was marred from the beginning due to the fall out from getting Sacked from the Spanish job on the eve of the World Cup. Even though he had prepared them excellently leading up to that point (they subsequently bombed out straight away in the World Cup group stages). Yes, he had to take responsibility for how it transpired with his pre-agreed contract with Real Madrid being leaked out (anybody would find it difficult to turn the job down) but it was still a hasty decision to sack him on the eve of the World Cup by a highly controversial Spanish Boss who later got the sack himself. So it seemed doomed from the very beginning starting out in his new high pressure job under such controversial circumstances and although he had some good/bad results, they decided to sack him. It certainly wasn't a straightforward start under so much controversy going in to the job but one he has to own.

As for his Sevilla record, you seriously want to question his impressive record there? Not only winning a prestigious European Trophy in his 1st season in charge, he also led them to 3 consecutive back-to-back Champions League qualifications via the Spanish League and in his last full season in charge got them in a genuine La Liga Title race. Only to eventually fall away in the end due to the Board not back him in the January window in 2nd place and the Squad decimated by injury (sound familiar?). He was also widely praised in the game for his Sevilla Teams playing the most attractive, free-flowing, attacking Football around in Europe had beat the likes of Roma, Man Utd and serial winner Contes Inter Milan in the Final on the way to European glory. 

Now with all that bearing in mind, are we honestly suggesting all his body of work as a Coach bringing on excellent youth talents, trophies, win percentage, goal scoring and winning record isn't good enough to manage a Team like West Ham? In the words of David Beckham, "be honest"...

'Loser Lop', indeed

Anyway, it's just my opinion. I don't have a pathological desire to be proven right

Come On You Irons" wrote: ↑19 Dec 2024, 11:26

Council Scum" wrote: ↑19 Dec 2024, 11:17

Come On You Irons" wrote: ↑18 Dec 2024, 14:49

We are in the bottom third of the league, 7 points ahead of the relegation zone with a net win-loss ratio of -2 and with the fifth worst defensive record in the league. There is still 22 games to go in the season.

It's clutching at straws to believe we are not in a relegation battle under 'loser Lop', a manager who has failed in 16 games to win consecutive football matches in the league this season.

Are you fucking 12 year old? The constant "loser Lop" "Flopitago" etc. Embarrassing from an adult

Rather than debate the facts you resort to ad hominem attacks. And you accuse me of behaving like a 12 year old?

I have never once called the manager "Flopitago". "Loser Lop" is Lopetegui's nickname.

Council Scum" wrote: ↑19 Dec 2024, 11:17

Come On You Irons" wrote: ↑18 Dec 2024, 14:49

Massive Attack" wrote: ↑18 Dec 2024, 14:34 8 points (including goal difference) clear of the relegation zone is now classed as a relegation battle...

We are in the bottom third of the league, 7 points ahead of the relegation zone with a net win-loss ratio of -2 and with the fifth worst defensive record in the league. There is still 22 games to go in the season.

It's clutching at straws to believe we are not in a relegation battle under 'loser Lop', a manager who has failed in 16 games to win consecutive football matches in the league this season.

Are you fucking 12 year old? The constant "loser Lop" "Flopitago" etc. Embarrassing from an adult

Come On You Irons" wrote: ↑18 Dec 2024, 14:49

Massive Attack" wrote: ↑18 Dec 2024, 14:34 8 points (including goal difference) clear of the relegation zone is now classed as a relegation battle...

We are in the bottom third of the league, 7 points ahead of the relegation zone with a net win-loss ratio of -2 and with the fifth worst defensive record in the league. There is still 22 games to go in the season.

It's clutching at straws to believe we are not in a relegation battle under 'loser Lop', a manager who has failed in 16 games to win consecutive football matches in the league this season.

Council Scum" wrote: ↑17 Dec 2024, 10:37

Mex Martillo" wrote: ↑17 Dec 2024, 06:28 Good match last night.
We are still in the balance, 5 points off relegation and 6 points off Europe. We ain't going down, but unfortunately the most likely is we have an uninspiring midtable season. 

7 points off relegation having lost 2 in six. 

Far Cough UKunt" wrote: ↑18 Dec 2024, 15:59 How the fuck did he win a champions league?

Snodders' Beard" wrote: ↑18 Dec 2024, 15:17

Massive Attack" wrote: ↑18 Dec 2024, 15:06 It's certainly lightyears away from the unprofessionalism of that useless fat pig Uncle Avram running away from his duties during Yom Kippur.

What was that famous story about him again? Snoozing in his office chair at Chadwell Heath instead of overseeing the training session?

A fucking history of it, the fat slug...

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/talkspor ... ining/amp/

Jamie O'Hara also admitted on Talksport recently that he walked in on him asleep at his desk when at the training ground at Portsmouth as well.  

Massive Attack" wrote: ↑18 Dec 2024, 15:06 It's certainly lightyears away from the unprofessionalism of that useless fat pig Uncle Avram running away from his duties during Yom Kippur.

Massive Attack" wrote: ↑18 Dec 2024, 14:34 8 points (including goal difference) clear of the relegation zone is now classed as a relegation battle...